Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed

[UnitedSofa]

Aint no way we're paying Dortmund 110m euros after refused to their 120m demand just 1 year earlier. Also, Dortmund are just as desperate to sell sancho they need money to make signings this summer.

So you think all this good news about United signing Sancho is just “good PR” then?

 

[King Kendrick]

The BIG day is nearly upon us and I can't help but recall all the times we have spent together. The muppetry, the anticipation, the overpriced/overrated arguments, the heart-break from last year, and growing expectations this year... sigh. It's been a long journey. It just won't be the same. I honestly don't know what to do when it does happen. My life would be so.... empty. This thread (or all the 3 threads), this saga will be irreplaceable. Will I ever be able to say "big day today" without getting a little emotional??? I suppose that is life... moving on. All good things must end.

Dont worry man, we have the Haaland thread to look forward to!

 

[RoadTrip]

the only person who needs to debate whether Ole is in/out is Mrs OGS.

 

[Gambit]

imagine england are knocked out and Sancho just disappears straight into a heavily-tinted Chevy van for a medical

That screeches onto the pitch as Harry Kane misses the final penalty. Sancho, escorted by Rashford, Maguire and Shaw all put on sunglasses and enter as highway to hell starts revving up out of the car. Out of nowhere, Randy Orton RKO's Southgate. Randy turns and points at the vehicle, the passenger window drops down and Sancho gives a nod then points his finger forward. The Chevvy zooms off. Out of the crowd Jesse Lingard chases after them, trying to make them realise their mistake in leaving him waving his arms and shouting beans. The car accelerates faster and leaves the stadium.

 

[wise_old_man]

The BIG day is nearly upon us and I can't help but recall all the times we have spent together. The muppetry, the anticipation, the overpriced/overrated arguments, the heart-break from last year, and growing expectations this year... sigh. It's been a long journey. It just won't be the same. I honestly don't know what to do when it does happen. My life would be so.... empty. This thread (or all the 3 threads), this saga will be irreplaceable. Will I ever be able to say "big day today" without getting a little emotional??? I suppose that is life... moving on. All good things must end.

All those memories will live on in the Haaland thread next year.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

That’s just fecking stupid.

The extension, or in this case Amad & Pellistri, add value and have resale value, a holiday doesn’t. Have a fecking think @C'est Moi Cantona

I knew there was reason I don't post on here very often, just no need to reply like that.

I was referring to the money the Glazers took out as well, but ok I'll say Amad and Pellistri were like adding a swimming pool when the extension was clearly needed more last year.

But yes we have saved £20 million, well done, now lets hope we see it invested on another player this summer.

 

[lex talionis]

23 million pounds less and not get ripped off on a player, eventually picking up the player at a price that represents good value.
feck yes he did. 23 million pounds is Amad + change.

This isn’t Ronaldo we’re talking about who would’ve turned our season into something spectacular, he’s a very good young player that’ll improve us for sure but you’re setting him up for massive failure if you think he suddenly turns our Leipzig clusterfeck into a result. The final is neither here nor there, it’s one game, maybe he’d have had a stormer or maybe like most of our players, a fecking stinker. Who knows, but twenty three million pounds worth it wasn’t.
Most likely even with Sancho, our season would have been very similar. But Sancho + Cavani + new CB + Amad and well, now you’re building something. For too long United and their fans have been of the stupid belief that one player will be the key and that spunking everything to get that one player will make all the difference.

Also important as a club to be firm in your valuation of a player.

23 million pounds is a lot of cash, no question about it. But 65 million pounds is also a lot cash -- some would say almost three times more than 23 million pounds.

My point isn't that 23 million pounds cash saved isn't significant, but that at the time we saved 23 million we seem to have wasted 65 million pounds. I'm a huge fan of Donny Van de Beek and have flogged Ole here for rotting Donny on the bench and running Bruno into the ground. But whether I'm right or wrong about the management of Donny it's undeniable now that there really isn't room for Donny on our roster unless we sell Pogba, and I doubt anyone here wants to sell Pogba, and that the 35 million we spent on Donny was in fact 35 million pounds wasted on a player who barely came off the bench in the 85th minute and came nowhere near appearing in the EL final.

Let's not wander into a strawman argument. No one is arguing that "spunking everything to get that one player will make all the difference". The question before us is whether we were wise to spend 65m on three players who barely even played for United in 20-21 rather than spending the additional 23m on a player who would have made a substantial difference -- no, not "all the difference". It may well be the case that Diallo, Pellistri and Van de Beek will all be regular starters and making significant contributions for United in 21-22 although I see no evidence that that is likely to be the case. If nothing else, we could have saved the 35m we spent on Donny, spent the 100m on Sancho -- although inquiring minds would have reasonably asked why we're buying three RW players, even if it's true that Sancho can easily play on the left as he does the right.

Sancho may turn out to be a flop for us if that's the case we're wasting only 77m pounds instead of 100m pounds for him. But every one of us assumes right now Sancho will be a sensation for United and if that proves to be the case did the saving of 23m between this summer transfer window and last summer transfer pay off? For the Glazers it certainly does, but then someone should mention to the Glazers in a staff meeting that we spent 65m on three players last summer with absolutely zero return on that investment. And even if Diallo develops into a very tidy RW it's hard to see how he gets regular starts in a squad that has Sancho, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani and Martial (I'd sell Martial, but who would buy him now?) on it, as well as Elanga, who looks a real prospect. And it's even harder to see how Pellistri fits in. As for Van de Beek, who cost us 35m pounds, that does in retrospect at least seem a fool's purchase.

At any rate, it's better to look at the glass half full and be relieved that Sancho is finally coming to United. But I hope Murtagh does not take a page out of Woody's playbook and shovel 65 into the furnace to acquire players the manager isn't going to use. If the manager is committed in his belief in a certain player as Ole clearly is with Sancho, is it really smart business to save 23m on him by waiting a year to bring him in and instead spend 65m at the time on players the manager isn't going to use? Perhaps, but not likely. We did end up in second place in the PL and EL so it could be argued that it was indeed shrewd business to hold off on Sancho for another season in order to save 23m, but that still doesn't rationalize in any way why we spent nearly three times that 23m on players who had no impact in 20-21, and probably will have no impact in 21-22 except as squad players at best.

 

[WPMUFC]

That screeches onto the pitch as Harry Kane misses the final penalty. Sancho, escorted by Rashford, Maguire and Shaw all put on sunglasses and enter as highway to hell starts revving up out of the car. Out of nowhere, Randy Orton RKO's Southgate. Randy turns and points at the vehicle, the passenger window drops down and Sancho gives a nod then points his finger forward. The Chevvy zooms off. Out of the crowd Jesse Lingard chases after them, trying to make them realise their mistake in leaving him waving his arms and shouting beans. The car accelerates faster and leaves the stadium.

The only thing that's missing is Tarantino directing

 

[Skills]

Of course, the ironic thing is that a lot of the traditions around Sancho day actually were imported from Germany and made popular by Prince Albert and Queen Victoria.

The candles, gifts, the tree and the consumption of candied fruits were all Bavarian traditions.

Happy Sancho Day everybody!

 

[sparx99]

23 million pounds is a lot of cash, no question about it. But 65 million pounds is also a lot cash -- some would say almost three times more than 23 million pounds.

My point isn't that 23 million pounds cash saved isn't significant, but that at the time we saved 23 million we seem to have wasted 65 million pounds. I'm a huge fan of Donny Van de Beek and have flogged Ole here for rotting Donny on the bench and running Bruno into the ground. But whether I'm right or wrong about the management of Donny it's undeniable now that there really isn't room for Donny on our roster unless we sell Pogba, and I doubt anyone here wants to sell Pogba, and that the 35 million we spent on Donny was in fact 35 million pounds wasted on a player who barely came off the bench in the 85th minute and came nowhere near appearing in the EL final.

Let's not wander into a strawman argument. No one is arguing that "spunking everything to get that one player will make all the difference". The question before us is whether we were wise to spend 65m on three players who barely even played for United in 20-21 rather than spending the additional 23m on a player who would have made a substantial difference -- no, not "all the difference". It may well be the case that Diallo, Pellistri and Van de Beek will all be regular starters and making significant contributions for United in 21-22 although I see no evidence that that is likely to be the case. If nothing else, we could have saved the 35m we spent on Donny, spent the 100m on Sancho -- although inquiring minds would have reasonably asked why we're buying three RW players, even if it's true that Sancho can easily play on the left as he does the right.

Sancho may turn out to be a flop for us if that's the case we're wasting only 77m pounds instead of 100m pounds for him. But every one of us assumes right now Sancho will be a sensation for United and if that proves to be the case did the saving of 23m between this summer transfer window and last summer transfer pay off? For the Glazers it certainly does, but then someone should mention to the Glazers in a staff meeting that we spent 65m on three players last summer with absolutely zero return on that investment. And even if Diallo develops into a very tidy RW it's hard to see how he gets regular starts in a squad that has Sancho, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani and Martial (I'd sell Martial, but who would buy him now?) on it, as well as Elanga, who looks a real prospect. And it's even harder to see how Pellistri fits in. As for Van de Beek, who cost us 35m pounds, that does in retrospect at least seem a fool's purchase.

At any rate, it's better to look at the glass half full and be relieved that Sancho is finally coming to United. But I hope Murtagh does not take a page out of Woody's playbook and shovel 65 into the furnace to acquire players the manager isn't going to use. If the manager is committed in his belief in a certain player as Ole clearly is with Sancho, is it really smart business to save 23m on him by waiting a year to bring him in and instead spend 65m at the time on players the manager isn't going to use? Perhaps, but not likely. We did end up in second place in the PL and EL so it could be argued that it was indeed shrewd business to hold off on Sancho for another season in order to save 23m, but that still doesn't rationalize in any way why we spent nearly three times that 23m on players who had no impact in 20-21, and probably will have no impact in 21-22 except as squad players at best.

Donny came in because we loaned Andreas Pereira and later Lingard. We were lucky that Bruno was fit all season but that’s why he was there. If Pereira and Lingard get sold this summer then we’ll have broken even across those deals in all likely hood.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

But I hope Murtagh does not take a page out of Woody's playbook and shovel 65 into the furnace to acquire players the manager isn't going to use.

I absolutely hope Murtagh continues to trust our scouts and transfer board and invests in talents with great potential when they become available.

Each to their own.

As for “throwing into the furnace”, you also haven’t understood how resale value works I see. DvB would easily command 30m and Amad at least 25m. In a years time who knows.

 

[roonster09]

23 million pounds is a lot of cash, no question about it. But 65 million pounds is also a lot cash -- some would say almost three times more than 23 million pounds.

My point isn't that 23 million pounds cash saved isn't significant, but that at the time we saved 23 million we seem to have wasted 65 million pounds. I'm a huge fan of Donny Van de Beek and have flogged Ole here for rotting Donny on the bench and running Bruno into the ground. But whether I'm right or wrong about the management of Donny it's undeniable now that there really isn't room for Donny on our roster unless we sell Pogba, and I doubt anyone here wants to sell Pogba, and that the 35 million we spent on Donny was in fact 35 million pounds wasted on a player who barely came off the bench in the 85th minute and came nowhere near appearing in the EL final.

Let's not wander into a strawman argument. No one is arguing that "spunking everything to get that one player will make all the difference". The question before us is whether we were wise to spend 65m on three players who barely even played for United in 20-21 rather than spending the additional 23m on a player who would have made a substantial difference -- no, not "all the difference". It may well be the case that Diallo, Pellistri and Van de Beek will all be regular starters and making significant contributions for United in 21-22 although I see no evidence that that is likely to be the case. If nothing else, we could have saved the 35m we spent on Donny, spent the 100m on Sancho -- although inquiring minds would have reasonably asked why we're buying three RW players, even if it's true that Sancho can easily play on the left as he does the right.

Sancho may turn out to be a flop for us if that's the case we're wasting only 77m pounds instead of 100m pounds for him. But every one of us assumes right now Sancho will be a sensation for United and if that proves to be the case did the saving of 23m between this summer transfer window and last summer transfer pay off? For the Glazers it certainly does, but then someone should mention to the Glazers in a staff meeting that we spent 65m on three players last summer with absolutely zero return on that investment. And even if Diallo develops into a very tidy RW it's hard to see how he gets regular starts in a squad that has Sancho, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani and Martial (I'd sell Martial, but who would buy him now?) on it, as well as Elanga, who looks a real prospect. And it's even harder to see how Pellistri fits in. As for Van de Beek, who cost us 35m pounds, that does in retrospect at least seem a fool's purchase.

At any rate, it's better to look at the glass half full and be relieved that Sancho is finally coming to United. But I hope Murtagh does not take a page out of Woody's playbook and shovel 65 into the furnace to acquire players the manager isn't going to use. If the manager is committed in his belief in a certain player as Ole clearly is with Sancho, is it really smart business to save 23m on him by waiting a year to bring him in and instead spend 65m at the time on players the manager isn't going to use? Perhaps, but not likely. We did end up in second place in the PL and EL so it could be argued that it was indeed shrewd business to hold off on Sancho for another season in order to save 23m, but that still doesn't rationalize in any way why we spent nearly three times that 23m on players who had no impact in 20-21, and probably will have no impact in 21-22 except as squad players at best.

When we sign players, we don't think about just 1 season. Amad, Pellistri not playing any part in 2020-21 season doesn't mean much if they are signed as one for the future.

Also Van de beek signing has nothing to do with Sancho, unless we want to play the game of hindsight then we can start from 2013 and come up the master plan of building a team of world beaters under 200-300 million.

 

[Massive Spanner]

But 65 million pounds is also a lot cash -- some would say almost three times more than 23 million pounds.

some would be wrong.

 

[Zehner]

I'm curious as to how Solskjaer intends to use him. I really, really hope you guys get the best out of him and won't waste him on the right. Don't think everybody in here quite gets what a special talent you're about to sign. He's the player you should build the team around.

 

[Kaizane]

I'm certain half the people on here claiming to be United fans, aren't. It's embarrassing. Head and wobble comes to mind. Same ones will be walking around with his name on the back of their shirts by August.

I'm curious as to how Solskjaer intends to use him. I really, really hope you guys get the best out of him and won't waste him on the right. Don't think everybody in here quite gets what a special talent you're about to sign. He's the player you should build the team around.

Nice try. Thanks, we'll take good care of him.

 

[Coops73]

I'm curious as to how Solskjaer intends to use him. I really, really hope you guys get the best out of him and won't waste him on the right. Don't think everybody in here quite gets what a special talent you're about to sign. He's the player you should build the team around.

I’m curious as to what all you Germans are going to do with your time when Sancho finally makes the move to United, maybe you should head on over to a Chelsea forum, they’ve got a few actual Germans you could talk about.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

I'm curious as to how Solskjaer intends to use him. I really, really hope you guys get the best out of him and won't waste him on the right. Don't think everybody in here quite gets what a special talent you're about to sign. He's the player you should build the team around.

Oh don’t worry I’m sure he’ll get on just fine.

 

[charlenefan]

I cannot imagine a United fan going to a Bayern forum saying how they hope they look after Sane

Fecking weird

 

[Zehner]

I cannot imagine a United fan going to a Bayern forum saying how they hope they look after Sane

Fecking weird

I'm more of a player fan than club fan. Who cares about club or nationality anyway. I usually choose the clubs I watch based on the players they have and the football they play - so I'll probably be watching lots of United next season. But I get you don't really understand that - no offense but we're just on completely different spectres when it comes to tribalism.

I’m curious as to what all you Germans are going to do with your time when Sancho finally makes the move to United, maybe you should head on over to a Chelsea forum, they’ve got a few actual Germans you could talk about.

I don't think you understand why German posters were so engaged in here.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I'm curious as to how Solskjaer intends to use him. I really, really hope you guys get the best out of him and won't waste him on the right. Don't think everybody in here quite gets what a special talent you're about to sign. He's the player you should build the team around.

No player should have a team built around them unless they're Messi, Ronaldo, etc. Just a select few.

IMO at least.

 

[The Firestarter]

At some point we will go for Jude too. BDL squad's work here is not done.

 

[Valar Morghulis]

I cannot imagine a United fan going to a Bayern forum saying how they hope they look after Sane

Fecking weird

Beggars belief!

Also throws in a "whatever you do, don't waste him by playing him in the position that you have had a massive hole in for years"

 

[Withnail]

No player should have a team built around them unless they're Messi, Ronaldo, etc. Just a select few.

IMO at least.

Agreed. He's a very good player who'll fit in with the rest of them and hopefully improve us but I'm not buying this build the team around him stuff.

 

[diarm]

Beggars belief!

Also throws in a "whatever you do, don't waste him by playing him in the position that you have had a massive hole in for years"

A position in which his performances have been excellent for Dortmund. His output on either the right or left are very similar.

 

[charlenefan]

I'm more of a player fan than club fan. Who cares about club or nationality anyway. I usually choose the clubs I watch based on the players they have and the football they play - so I'll probably be watching lots of United next season. But I get you don't really understand that - no offense but we're just on completely different spectres when it comes to tribalism.

that's fair enough but you're not the only one to make similar comments, are all German football watchers the same?

 

[Zehner]

No player should have a team built around them unless they're Messi, Ronaldo, etc. Just a select few.

IMO at least.

Depends on the extent, I think. Of course you make more sacrifices for Messi than Griezmann but then again buying Griezmann to play him on the left wing is also quite dumb as Barca has proven. But I don't think it's the right moment to discuss those things. If I were a United fan, I'd be in the mood to cheer since the transfer seems highly likely now and not discuss whether the RW position gets the best out of the player or not.

 

[Powerhouser]

United have by far the most entertaining transfersagas in worldfootball.

 

[Sir Marcus]

I'm curious as to how Solskjaer intends to use him. I really, really hope you guys get the best out of him and won't waste him on the right. Don't think everybody in here quite gets what a special talent you're about to sign. He's the player you should build the team around.

I generally like you as a poster but I think even you know that you are fishing for bites here..

 

[diarm]

We could play Sancho in goals and it would be less of a waste than playing in the Bundesliga.
we can all fish...

 

[pocco]

It’s really weird how fans celebrate the players that are starting to turn up within our squad (also constant talk about the Haalands and others for the future) yet also want to ditch Ole as soon as possible.

I don’t believe Ole is a big trophy winner (thought I wouldn’t say it’s impossible) - however I also don’t think beggars can exactly be choosers - going from a decade of poor transfers; I’d rather stick with this for another year or 2 to make our squad look world class again. Then let’s look at the next manager to take the squad forward.

The fans that want Conte are the same fans that wanted Jose - buy absolute dross to the squad which are hard to get rid of but are successful under a short spell so are valued by some fans even if the club is left in a weird toxic player power state.

I'd say Maguire, James and AWB have question marks over them, particularly at the prices we paid. His transfers have been ok on the whole but not amazing. Bruno was obviously the one we got right but we apparently dragged our heels, nearly lost him to Spurs, then took a punt when we were desperate. Though myself and other were camped in the Bruno Sporting thread long before we bought him, he wasn't some unknown gem.

 

[TheReligion]

Well yes, there are a lot of pagan influences in Football too!

John Motson's adoption of the sheepskin coat in midwinter was clearly a reference to Pan, with his links to changing of the year and vigorous sexual rites.

Our own team name of the "Red Devils" isn't, as some claim, stolen from a rugby league side, but a reference to a witches coven, thought to be operating in the Ordsall area in 874AD who covered themselves in deep red clay from the banks of the Irwell and argued extensively about the use of the double pivot.

Underrated

 

[Zehner]

I generally like you as a poster but I think even you know that you are fishing for bites here..

Don't know the phrase but I didn't intend to provoke if that's what you meant. I'm just a huge fan of the player and want him to fulfill his potential because he's the only young player in the world right now I can see hitting Neymar levels of quality but I'm also convinced he won't be doing so as a traditional RW - that's what I've been posting in here from the beginning. But I get it was maybe the wrong moment to discuss this.

 

[Penna]

That screeches onto the pitch as Harry Kane misses the final penalty. Sancho, escorted by Rashford, Maguire and Shaw all put on sunglasses and enter as highway to hell starts revving up out of the car. Out of nowhere, Randy Orton RKO's Southgate. Randy turns and points at the vehicle, the passenger window drops down and Sancho gives a nod then points his finger forward. The Chevvy zooms off. Out of the crowd Jesse Lingard chases after them, trying to make them realise their mistake in leaving him waving his arms and shouting beans. The car accelerates faster and leaves the stadium.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Don't know the phrase but I didn't intend to provoke if that's what you meant. I'm just a huge fan of the player and want him to fulfill his potential because he's the only young player in the world right now I can see hitting Neymar levels of quality but I'm also convinced he won't be doing so as a traditional RW - that's what I've been posting in here from the beginning. But I get it was maybe the wrong moment to discuss this.

He will probably play on the right, but not as a traditional RW as such, probably given license to roam. Could be wrong though, interesting to hear how highly you rate him! Exciting.

 

[Sir Marcus]

Don't know the phrase but I didn't intend to provoke if that's what you meant. I'm just a huge fan of the player and want him to fulfill his potential because he's the only young player in the world right now I can see hitting Neymar levels of quality but I'm also convinced he won't be doing so as a traditional RW - that's what I've been posting in here from the beginning. But I get it was maybe the wrong moment to discuss this.

No harm done but it definitely seemed like you were intentionally trying to throw a bit of cold water over the whole thing just as the good news came in…

He clearly will play RW more often than not but the fact that you say he may be even better in other positions is only positive news as a UTD fan! Hoping for some fluid movement with him and his teammates…

 

[izak]

Don't know the phrase but I didn't intend to provoke if that's what you meant. I'm just a huge fan of the player and want him to fulfill his potential because he's the only young player in the world right now I can see hitting Neymar levels of quality but I'm also convinced he won't be doing so as a traditional RW - that's what I've been posting in here from the beginning. But I get it was maybe the wrong moment to discuss this.

from your post i understand you watched him alot yes? if so how do you think he'll fair on the right because that's obviously were United is lacking in creativity and how do you feel he'll cope with the physical side of the EPL?

 

[Ikon]

He will probably play on the right, but not as a traditional RW as such, probably given license to roam. Could be wrong though, interesting to hear how highly you rate him! Exciting.

I think that's exactly the point, Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho (Bruno to a lesser extent) will be flexible and interchanging position constantly, with a quality #9 up top.

 

[Bebestation]

I’ve always had a little dream of Rashford and Greenwood in an inverted forward striker partnership.

Whilst I know that Sancho can play as a RW in a 433 inclusive of those players -

Could Sancho play centrally with the license to make runs in to LW and RW? I’m not saying it’s the right formation as such - just want to know from his regular watchers why or why he couldn’t play that role?

Rashford -- Greenwood
<-Sancho->​

 

[AjaxCunian]

I’ve always had a little dream of Rashford and Greenwood in an inverted forward striker partnership.

Whilst I know that Sancho can play as a RW in a 433 inclusive of those players -

Could Sancho play centrally with the license to make runs in to LW and RW? I’m not saying it’s the right formation as such - just want to know from his regular watchers why or why he couldn’t play that role?

Rashford -- Greenwood
<-Sancho->​

I think he'd occupy Bruno's space, however personally I like Bruno further to the back a bit anyway as an 8.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

85m euro is a fair price