I think England have done really well so far, they haven’t lit any fires but look solid, havnt conceded and got really dangerous players upfront whoever is chosen, I think they’ve got a great to chance to win it. No other team stands out as clear favourites.
Day 17: England vs Germany | Sweden vs Ukraine (Ro16 7&8)
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Jack's got strong Karen hair going on
I hate having that tune in my head and then start randomly singing the words, then hate myself for a while
Called it . England bench just superior
Yeah Mueller scores that 8/10 but this time around I don't think Southgate should be criticized.
As for their attacking performamces in the group - definitely and he rightly was.
to be honest that’s what I’ve been saying all along. we were one of half a dozen teams that could win it.
We have a chance, we have a good team, and have been solid. It’s really open.
Apart from when he showed he can pass and move for 1-0. I get what you're saying; he's there to take men on, commit them, beat them or perhaps draw a foul, not to spray it around like KDB, but he could play even better by making better decisions with the ball at his feet.
Tournament football result oriented. He brought the result. That's it. Debate should be ended there when he won it against one of favourites.If needed he will use the attacking talent.No need to go into details.
So many clueless posts its staggering.
He got semi in the WC and is in a very good place for that or better this tournament.
Southgate deserves more respect. Got it spot on today
Germany weren't one of the favorites.
But he was wrong. We didn't win until Grealish came on. The idea of negativity was completely right.
He was scared of playing Grealish for some odd reason.
Nice words. You're an honourary Englishman in my eyes.
Also got knocked out of a tournament by Iceland...
Edit: Apparently that wasn't Southgate
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Not Southgate!
Shearer was just giving him credit because Grealish changed the game.
Maybe take a minute to question what might have happened if he’d started? Nahhhhh.
Don't you look silly
I have seen a lot worse England-sides, but in terms of excitement - no this is the worst
Not reading the whole thread, so apologies if I'm reiterating something posted earlier, but I'm ashamed of the continual booing of the German national anthem, and probably others, by England fans. It's honking, despicable, call it what you want, but I find it disgraceful.
England absolutely don't have to play like turtles, they have the personnel and the quality to exasperate their opponents up until the final.
I think the minimum expectation for Southgate/England now is to reach the final. Even shit-housing it there won't matter if he gets to the final.
It wasn't until Southgate made the change every England fan in the country wanted to see from the off, that England gained any presence in that half. Up until then we had had 1 shot on goal, we hadn't get in behind the German line once and we scarcely got the ball to our CF at all. In the first half the best opportunity fell to Werner (thankfully)
There was absolutely nothing seen in that game that validates playing such a defensive line up. The moment England became less defensive, they took the game by the scruff and caused a predictably ponderous German defense issues. England has the best set of attacking players left in the competition. I hope Southgate has the courage to use them.
What utter Bollox. He got the luckiest run to the semis imaginable, including scraping past Columbia on pens.
So far he's played nothing but dull, mindnumbingly negative crap. And got lucky.
Ha, thanks, I think
I know I like to poke the stick sometimes but that’s only to bait the sensitive ones.Agreed! The England manager role is like that, everyone thinks they know better. Have certainly seen a lot of nonsense written about England this tournament. He has got a lot right, especially with Kane, Maguire and Sterling, and his tactics for today's game were excellent. Using Grealish as a gamechanger is pretty smart too, though I think he will start the remaining games.
I don't mind it. It's utter tosh, but it's our tosh. Or summat.
I wouldn't blame them.
No, you have it wrong.
Some so-called fans don't seem to care about winning games, only about constantly attacking even when it doesn't make sense to do so. Brainless attacking dumps you out, just look at France yesterday.
All England fans should be delighted with a good win today.
Why because england beaten them.
Definitely. He'll have to open up a bit I think in the next round. He put in Grealish and surprise surprise it worked. I just think England lack cutting edge without Grealish, Sancho or 'the good' Rashford.
Unless Shaw plays like that!
Utterly nonsense. If Sterling misses his chance and Muller score his does that all of a sudden mean the tactics were wrong? If Ole puts 3 CBs up front against Peterborough in the FA Cup next season and we win 1-0 in added time with a freak own goal does that mean Ole got his tactics spot on. Have a think.
No because they actually weren't. Some were even expecting them to flop in the group.
They may not have been as hyped as France but they're always one of the favourites. Well done England.
brave man to post that after they win.....they were shocking until Grealish came on and lucky not to have been losing so you're the only clueless one
For the first 20 minutes then he faded and did nothing after.
Maguire, Shaw, Grealish, Rice and Sterling were far better.
You can be both delighted with the win and still annoyed with Southgate for his dumb team selection at the same time.
It wasn't dumb though. It was well thought out, and it worked.
People moan about Saka/ Grealish but he was clear about why he picked Saka (his work off the ball) and yes it is partly a defensive thing, but Saka was a big part of the reason Gosens, one of Germany's biggest threats, did nothing in the game. Then we used Grealish as an impact player, which I am sure was also in his thoughts before the match. Even if you don't agree with it (I would have picked Grealish), I don't think you can just blindly call it 'dumb'.
I also expect Grealish to start the remaining games, and full of confidence too.