He had no legal right to leave Barca last season whatsoever unless some club paid his released clause.
Mate if Messi asks 25M per year we would see the contract signed by now. Laporta isnt an idiot.
Lionel Messi’s Obscene Contract
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Regardless of facts, what happens to Barca going forward will define Messi's legacy in future. Obviously more likely scenario is these are temporary financial issues and club bounces back, but if they go through a prolonged period of difficulty + deterioration in quality on the football pitch, then narrative will quickly shift to how Messi became a burden for them towards the end.
Very good post
Hell, they can even live the dream and pull on the shirt and play.
Messi must surely recognise that the money he is asking for is causing problems for the club, he could lower his wage demands to help the club. I think I read somewhere that the payers that they have signed Depay, Garcia etc are not officially signed because the club has gone over the wage cap set by the Spanish FA.
Doesn't this also mean that the players they've brought in (Depay, Agüero, García and that guy from Betis) can't actually play for them until they've sorted this mess out?
They'll be fine, we all know that. It's Barca.
It would have been up to a court to decide. The situation is well-known by everyone.
Yeah….they analyse about feck all there.
Remove 200m+ from Barca's revenue, and they are beneath Liverpool, City, and way beneath United and Bayern, let alone Real Madrid.
It is a plain nonsense article. There is no way on Earth that Messi or any other player brings anything close to 200m on revenue.
It's fine to be skeptical but you can't call it "remedial logic" when he is the chief executive (privy to the information he's giving) and in the same breath question his motives only due to his position.
I'll be honest: the possibility of barcelona failing to register for the league and being relegated to tercera is giving me warm fuzzy feelings
Don't disappoint me Mr Tebas
Don't disappoint me Mr Tebas
Remedial logic may have been harsh but if you just take what he says at face value then you're not being very thorough in your analysis I think was the point.
Unfortunately. I think Tebas will fold.
Him and Griezmann. The fact that players have already been turfed out to accomodate these pair of cnuts and Barca are trying to force out more show that they dont care.
Mad situation at Barca, they're trying to shift absolutely anyone in order to give Messi his new deal and allow Depay, Aguero, Garcia to sign. I think there's a real chance that if they cant get rid of two of Greizmann, Umtiti, Pjanic, then Messi will leave the club. What a time to be alive.
Yes €324m to cut from the wage bill first, plus whatever amount those new signings are being paid.
These are my exact thoughts during all of this as well.
It's just going to work out.
Spanish football will never allow that. If La Liga lose Barca everyone loses money. Could fall behind serie a once again...would be classic though if barca got dumped.
I can see barca terminating griezmann’s and demebele’s contract after the racist video they posted and letting it all drag out in court for a while to reduce their wage bill now.
Why on earth would he do that?
The covid pandemic is not his fault and neither is the fact that they have ran their club like cowboys for the past 7 years or so.
Messi's contract is a lot less "obscene" than certain players who are are Championship level earning 60k a week.
It's a total mess isn't it. Last season I was one of many who said Barca should cash their chips now on Messi.
Yes he's capable of the incredible, yes he had a fantastic season but that was never in doubt. Barca needed to cut their cords with him, they needed to rebuild without him and every season he plays on with them is holding them back from that development.
The people that said this said it before his salary was even leaked to the media, it then went ten fold once people realised the numbers Messi was raking in weekly from Barcelona.
Yes he's capable of the incredible, yes he had a fantastic season but that was never in doubt. Barca needed to cut their cords with him, they needed to rebuild without him and every season he plays on with them is holding them back from that development.
The people that said this said it before his salary was even leaked to the media, it then went ten fold once people realised the numbers Messi was raking in weekly from Barcelona.
This is absolutely correct.
Their board need to be strong enough to remove the plaster and actually start healing. I would get rid of Griezmann too personally.
He can forget about coming to Utd - we’re never paying that for him. He’s priced himself out of a move I’m afraid.
It's just beyond me...
Like the comment that 8 out of 10 shirts carry the Messi name. So what? Barcelona won't lose 8 out of 10 sales if he fecks off. As a bare fecking minimum, you'd expect a proper examination of kit sales the last 10 years, comparisons with other top clubs, then point out where the Messi factor is, has there been a major increase? It's such a cheap point to make, are we suddenly pretending that the loss of Messi would result in Barcelona selling less than half the amount of kits that Borussia Dortmund do, a Spanish Huddersfield then?
The Messi factor in sponsorship agreements, just look at the numbers and compare it with other clubs around the world.
What a load of fecking shit.
I think you're arguing semantics here which is fine but, let's be honest, not massively productive and distracts from the main point. I would say it makes more sense to be skeptical of his motives than to accept them unquestioningly - would you agree? I was a little harsh originally because, for absolutely no reason, he'd labelled me a 'Ronaldo fanboy'.
City or PSG are the only clubs that could possibly afford that salary and I'm not even sure their owners are daft enough to blow their wage budget to pieces by bringing in a man on 2 million pounds a week.
From a club legend to a greedy oompa loompa.
Doubt it, then have to rip the rules up for all teams.
Barcelona will be forced to sell key players to get under the cap.
Laporta is currently in fantasy land...
Exactly. It feels like banging your head against a wall, trying to argue the point here.
This financial situation is karma for the Lenglet announcement video.
Indeed. First of all, almost no money from the shirts go to Barca, instead they go to their shirt sponsor (Nike). The contract is up to 2026, time where Messi won't be at Barca anyway.
Additionally, as you said, so what? Their number of shirts should be compared with the other giants like Madrid, United or Bayern. With or without Messi, they will sell a similar number of shirts (likely a bit less), just that the shirts will change from Messi to some other player.
I have no idea why Barca is toying with the idea of bankruptcy here.
Football is moving away from club support to player support. One can argue that player brands these days are bigger than club brands. I know it's a bit simplistic but just look at social media ranges. Messi has 220m Instagram followers, Barca is at 97m. At least in the short term, they will lose a ton of revenue if Messi leaves. Also, wasn't Barca miles away from the financially elite clubs before the Ronaldinho/Messi days?
Whether or not Messi is worth this salary for sure is debatable. I was of the opinion that he was based on the studies quoted by Laporta but @Iker Quesadillas has brought up some profound arguments. So it's entirely possible that Barca could compensate for his loss and achieve similar revenue numbers a few years down the road but in the end, there are clauses in the contracts are very real and they'll definitely have to take a hit on their revenue short term wise. And in their current situation, this may be very hard to deal with. They'll lose the "Messi payments" negotiated in the sponsoring contracts, they may not lose 80% of shirt sales but maybe 20-30%, etc.
Those figures are utterly obscene. Quite sickening in fact.
is the required reduction of 200m accurate?
Greiz + Coutinho + Dembele + Roberto + Umtiti = 92m. Surely they simply cannot wipe off the required 200m this summer? Not possible.
Messi is 34, surely it's time to say goodbye?
Greiz + Coutinho + Dembele + Roberto + Umtiti = 92m. Surely they simply cannot wipe off the required 200m this summer? Not possible.
Messi is 34, surely it's time to say goodbye?
It’s actually visible, years prior to his departure, Real is on what we called a parabolic upwards movement in revenue, which is usually strongest sign of strength in the market. Ever since his departure in 2018, the graph line went to different trajectory, there is near to zero growth in revenue from 2018 to 2020, and at the same time Barca has sudden strong spike of revenue growth, which I think isn’t just a coincidence, as Messi is the last GOAT who remains in LL, which means he is the only big attraction there.
Ok perhaps I am the only one reading it this way. I am very sensitive to graph movement, all the stocks trading habit in the past, you know.
The graph ends in 2019. Shows how sensitive you are
I keep hearing this and it may well be true but it sounds weird to me.
Ha, yes, that jumped out at me too. Imagine supporting a player as opposed to a club and transferring your allegiance every few years. Bizarre but we are seeing it more and more on the Caf, imo.