I'm sure there are also a lot of people who use it purely in the ironic sense and without arrogance or entitlement. But there is also the other part.
Let's all laugh at England
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I love how England still cannot see they are the bad guys and the rest of the world will always love watching the bad guys lose.
Whether it's Rio going full Ian Wright, brain-dead fans booing every other teams anthems and wrecking wherever they are because they are too weak to handle a drink the players diving and cheating throughout while the media laugh . Bad guys
Whether it's Rio going full Ian Wright, brain-dead fans booing every other teams anthems and wrecking wherever they are because they are too weak to handle a drink the players diving and cheating throughout while the media laugh . Bad guys
This isn't just English fans though is it. Wind you neck in.
Who ever made that compilation should have included Klose's goal. It had great comedic value as well:
Now this is art.
I don't mind being laughed at. We achieved something most of Europe, or the world even, will never see their national side do in their entire life time. It's a bittersweet moment but one to be proud of nonetheless.
Absolutely, it’s a young team too. It could be a good decade for English supporters.
You say also, but what you mean is the vast majority.
I know you won't accept that, but it really is the case.
This is the entire point of the song, and the chant, England just don't win stuff, and every time we might start to think it could be our time, something will happen to bring it all crashing down.
Do you have a lot of people blocked or something because you must have missed all the vile and spit and people calling people plastics, go support someone else along with a lot of other colourful words?Seems more like the rawk mentality is from the other side
The England fans are just baffled by the odd reasons being given.
Or maybe this blindness is a possible reason as to why many are gleeful that England lost and just want to have a little bit of fun taking the Micky out of English fans until we can once again all come together for the mutual love of Manchester United.
The bad guys
Is that other English football team, based in the lovely English town of Stretford, which Shaw, Maguire, Sancho, Rashford also play for also the bad guys? Bad guys. You support an English football team. I'm not saying it to take the piss here it's just straight up fact.
You support an English football club /institution. You are therefore a bad guy
This is great banter! It really is.
There are also (many many more) people genuinely upset about others taking the piss out of England.
Is that other English football team, based in the lovely English town of Stretford, which Shaw, Maguire, Sancho, Rashford also play for also the bad guys? Bad guys. You support an English football team. I'm not saying it to take the piss here it's just straight up fact.
You support an English football club /institution. You are therefore a bad guy
This is great banter! It really is.
It really is because you lost and that really hurts you
I haven't go anything like a representative survey at hand, I can only go by my personal impressions.
Funny thread, A Leicester City fan on a Manchester United forum telling United fans from all over the world that they should not support United because they don't support England whereas most of the United players are not English.
Leaving out British neighbours, as there's more standard rivalry there, I don't think it's bitterness. ABE clearly, but more to do with apprehension at the bragging and endless fanfare if England won.
I lived there for 12 years, support an English club, loved Rio, Scholes, Beckham, Rooney... Been very proud of Luke and would have loved to see the game won 1-0 with his goal. I still have to make an effort and remind myself of the good and isolate the bad.
It all begins with the press rubbing you the wrong way (ultimately they are a reflection of society, like it or not). The whole coming home business is irritating and that takes you to fans mouthing off and the exposure many will have had to the more drunken and violent ones.
The word is aversion, not bitterness. Some of my best mates are English and most people I know/knew clearly are no more than long-suffering fans whom I would have been delighted for, but it doesn't mean I don't see the other irritating side of an England win.
Take Brazil for instance, I was living there in 2002, just a giant party, no bragging, no we are god's gift to earth, nothing, just joy and everyone is welcome to join. Fantastic fans and that's probably why it was most people's "second team"... until Neymar showed up.
Of course every country has idiot fans. But if you refuse to see that England outdoes the other nation's dumb actions in quantity and quality, I can't help you. You won't find another nation that constantly booed the anthem of its opponents, you won't find another nation whose coach compared a game to WW2 and so forth.
Do you think it is a coincidence that the whole globe was against England in this final? Why do you think this was the case? Because everybody hates England and just chooses to ignore the similarly embarassing stuff other nations did as well? Come on. I haven't witnessed a final in which people preferred one team to win so clearly in my lifetime. Outside of England, literally everybody hoped for Italy and that's although Italy itself isn't a particularly liked football team whatsoever. It's just that nobody wanted England fans and media to be rewarded for all the dumb stuff they did.
Great post
Yep.
Really? Nothing had changed when woke this morning. The sun was still shining, the missus was still moaning about the ITV and BBC covering the football, the dog wanted feeding and I had morning wood. Same shit, different day.
Losing a game of football is not a new experience to England fans, neither is failing to win a major a championship, thus we are not hurting one little bit. I feel for Rashford, Sancho and Saka, but that's about as far my hurt extends.
United ---> England by a large distance.
Which is fair enough. I think your personal impression is heavily coloured by your bias, but we can agree to disagree.
Still, as one of the majority of England fans that sang it knowing that we'd fall short again, I got to cheer an England goal in the final and really believe, which I genuinely never thought would happen.
This is where you hit the nail on the head for fans in other parts of the U.K. for me. People who don’t even watch football know this happens and are sick of hearing about 66. When another nations wins a tournament I don’t have to have matches involving my club regularly interrupted to talk about that glorious night in July.
At some point England fans should probably take a step back and wonder why nobody else wanted them to win. Despite the scum bag element in other nations support, it was still England they didn’t want to win.
If we’re being honest, the worst part about “Football’s Coming Home” is it’s extremely fecking catchy and I don’t appreciate singing it to myself all god damn day after hearing or reading it once.
To be fair to the players, Southgate did say he decided who takes the PKs, we can't know for a fact which players stepped up and which didn't, I do believe Grealish in saying he stepped up, so it's all on Southgate, and to be fair to him, he took responsibility and said in the post match interview that it was his decisions on who took PKs and accepted the blame.
I think I can speak for all England fans when I say that they honestly know they are shite and it was nice to dream for a moment when all you've had is nightmares for decades on end. But this dream, with all it's promise and seemingly good signs like having a great squad and easy run in and massive home advantage and huge fan support ended up the same as others, although actually even worse as it was so so close, within touching distance. It's nice to dream but then you wake up and realise none of it was real and it wasn't close at all. That weird feeling of driving your car from the rear passenger seat wasn't normal after all and likewise a team managed by Gareth Southgate obviously wasn't going to go the full distance. In hindsight you can chuckle to yourself and say yeah of course we were never going to win it, we're England, we're shite, everyone knows that. Everyone. Everyone knows we're shite even ourselves, deep down, it will never happen. I think all England fans will accept on balance they deserve being knocked out in such a dramatic fashion because the country as a whole doesn't truly deserve it yet. Maybe even ever. I think that's fair to say. That's fair and honest of us England fans and that's why we all feel that way. All of us even if we don't say it outright.
I got that feeling too, taking the lead in a major final is probably about as good as it gets for England fans before it all eventually turns to shit. Fun while it lasted though.
Gotta be honest dude I don't think you understand England fans to claim this.
We got to see England in a final, that's basically one of the harbingers of the apocalypse. Sure its disappointing to lose, but up until the last kick we were able to dream that a team that doesn't win anything might actually win something.
I think that's been the weirdest thing in this thread. In the middle of all the back and forths, there's some people gatekeeping who gets to be a United fan. I've supported the club for 30 odd years but I'm not allowed to because I support my home country rather than England?
It's not just my personal bias though. The whole world seems to have been rooting for Italy. Even in Germany, I heard cheers around the street when they equalized and, speaking strictly in terms of football, they are (or maybe used to be, going by this tournament) the most disliked football team in the country by a mile. To see Southgate and others just chalk it off as "well our humor is so exceptionally unique, all the others simply can't get it" is a bit amusing.
It's an absolutely fine song, probably one of the best football related songs I've heard. Always keep singing it after hearing it once. Great catchphrase as well.
That's also why I have a little giggle. There's not such a thing as your time, there's nothing written in the stars, it's not a matter of fate, I know it's just an expression but also one that reveals a mindset. I'd suggest you just try to get the most out of a tournament like normal nations, show what you can do and get as far as the quality of the players and manager allows. But at the first match of any tournament it's burdened with the question "will we win it this time?'. The sense of entitlement is not only setting you op for disappointment, it's contributing to it.
I’m here, sitting in work listening to a great song and all I can hear in the back of my mind is footballs fecking coming home
Maybe I am. In fact I am quite upset
Not hurt though. Used to seeing England lose.You do support an English football team still and nothing can change your support for the English football team.
I’m here, sitting in work listening to a great song and all I can here in the back of my mind is footballs fecking coming home
Not everyone is against England because they don't like the song though.
I'm not saying don't dislike England, you can dislike whoever you want, but don't blame it on a song that you misunderstand.
The problem with England has always been over hyping themselves and a lack of technical ability. Yesterday, after 30 minutes, they couldn't get near the Italians and should have lost in 90 minutes
And at the end of the day that's the next best thing to England winning the Euros.
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