From a public health perspective it’s terrible design, it’s not controversial to admit that not everyone is tech savvy it’s poorly formulated simple as.Not really given the track and trace app is anonymous.
I’m not sure what your point is here. Your initial complaint was that the track and trace app and the general NHS app are not one in the same.From a public health perspective it’s terrible design, it’s not controversial to admit that not everyone is tech savvy it’s poorly formulated simple as.
Just talking from real life experience where I’ve had to explain this to people and set it up for them, that’s allI’m not sure what your point is here. Your initial complaint was that the track and trace app and the general NHS app are not one in the same.
The track and trace app is (by design) anonymous and the general NHS app contains your entire medical records.
Surely it’s easy to understand why they are not both in one app?
If you ever have the misfortune of eating in O’Connell street it already happens pre pandemicCan already imagine you tipping your glass to the pathetic youngsters staring hungrily through the restaurant windows.
Test 3. Surge in new Covid infections. They are rising steeply.Of the four, what hasn't been met?
The JCVI will decide on timing. I wouldn't be surprised to see it opened to 16/17 year olds + over 12s with particular risk factors (maybe even including a family member at high risk.When are they actually making the decision on when under 18s will be eligible for the jab if they so wish? Seems it's been debated and looked at for months now while US started their roll out from mid June.
O.k they're very low risk but ultimately it's still another 5m or so who can spread covid in a continous loop once they return to education in September so surely will happen then.
It doesn't mention that, it specifically relates to infection rates and surge in hospitalisations, not case rates. Test three states the following:Test 3. Surge in new Covid infections. They are rising steeply.
We've had both Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance coming out and saying that the NHS can cope with the current levels and we're not seeing surges that we've seen in previous waves, so I disagree in your assessment.
- infection rates do not risk a surge in hospitalisations which would put unsustainable pressure on the NHS
To your last point, you should read the Sage report on reopening. They say there is a great degree of uncertainty on this and that if people go back to pre pandemic behaviours, we could have 4000+ hospitalisations per day, which would lead to interventions again. Only by people acting responsibly and ethically do they see us having a gradual, longer wave of 1000-1500 hospitalisations.It doesn't mention that, it specifically relates to infection rates and surge in hospitalisations, not case rates. Test three states the following:
We've had both Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance coming out and saying that the NHS can cope with the current levels and we're not seeing surges that we've seen in previous waves, so I disagree in your assessment.
Up to you.It doesn't mention that, it specifically relates to infection rates and surge in hospitalisations, not case rates. Test three states the following:
We've had both Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance coming out and saying that the NHS can cope with the current levels and we're not seeing surges that we've seen in previous waves, so I disagree in your assessment.
Massive gamble, though the broad principles make a kind of sense. The use of terminology like "freedom day" is dangerous - it's a "go and hide" day for lots of people. The decision to drop mitigations (like masks on public transport) on purely political grounds is offensive.I'm not confident the UK is making the right decision again with this "freedom day" policy. Is it likely likely be another Tory clusterfeck?
Come on now. Current infection rates clearly risk a rise in hospitalisations. Risk aside, we’re already seeing an actual increase.It doesn't mention that, it specifically relates to infection rates and surge in hospitalisations, not case rates. Test three states the following:
We've had both Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance coming out and saying that the NHS can cope with the current levels and we're not seeing surges that we've seen in previous waves, so I disagree in your assessment.
I see that the mayor of London has made a decision to keep mandatory masks on the tube. I wonder if other local leaders will end up doing the same?All for everything opening up again, just don't understand why public transport or large enclosed areas a Mask isn't mandated.
I cant wait to go back to old trafford with full capacity, but anyone that's been and have to get the tram home from exchange quays knows the insanity of no masks in a carriage you cannot move in .
You would hope some common sense is applied, Manchester transport could just put more frequent trams on at kick off times but that's a ridiculous suggestionI see that the mayor of London has made a decision to keep mandatory masks on the tube. I wonder if other local leaders will end up doing the same?
The definition of surge would mean absolute numbers and not percentage increase, unless we measure bed capacity by another metric? They do risk a rise in hospitalisations, but case rates seem to be concentrated within the under 29's - most likely those without full vaccinations. Comparing wave to wave, as a broad brush it's looking like it's 2/3's less due to the vaccination impact.Come on now. Current infection rates clearly risk a rise in hospitalisations. Risk aside, we’re already seeing an actual increase.
Yep. And the Tory acolytes will carp on about the ‘Muslim Mayor’ and the culture war has another log to burn.I see that the mayor of London has made a decision to keep mandatory masks on the tube. I wonder if other local leaders will end up doing the same?
Without legislation (as they have until 19 July) will transport companies actually have any powers to force people to wear a mask?I see that the mayor of London has made a decision to keep mandatory masks on the tube. I wonder if other local leaders will end up doing the same?
Interesting. So in effective Sage are modelling as if life will go exactly back to what it was say on January 6th 2020 when the concept of anyone wearing a mask out on street or public transport would've just stood out like when you saw tourists in London wearing them who'd come from asian countries.To your last point, you should read the Sage report on reopening. They say there is a great degree of uncertainty on this and that if people go back to pre pandemic behaviours, we could have 4000+ hospitalisations per day, which would lead to interventions again. Only by people acting responsibly and ethically do they see us having a gradual, longer wave of 1000-1500 hospitalisations.
I think the main debate in all of this is whether the public are going to do their bit or not. Personally, I don’t think they will BUT there are many that do and that’s fair enough too.
Here here.Thankfully our unlocking is a bit more sensible than Boris’ Big Bang day of freedom:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57823021
The fact it isn’t a legal requirement to wear face coverings in supermarkets and public transport in England is a political travesty and as per usual the BBC have been trying their best to justify the shit show. First, we should be trying to make essential areas such as buying food/travel if you’re at risk/unable to be vaccinated as safe as reasonably possible and wearing a mask for 30 minutes is more than fecking reasonable if you aren’t a gammon cnut. Secondly, the messaging by saying FREEDOM DAY and masks can go is basically back to normal the pandemic is over. They’ve tried to reign that in this week but as usual it’s a clusterfeck of ineptitude of their own making as they tried to culture war a fecking pandemic. The fact Wales - who have been insanely cautious throughout this whole thing - only on Saturday can I now legally meet with friends at my house indoors - are doing things pretty similar just a few weeks later shows the data clearly looks good assuming people don’t act like bellends - but just keeping masks and better messaging makes a big difference for me.
Sensible rules , Drakeford likes to delay and see what happens in England first. Mind you I think it will be a struggle to enforce masks with tourists from England who have got their holiday heads on as it was hard enough when masks were mandatory in England. My mates son was on the door in a local Tesco and got a lot of abuse asking people to put masks on. We are carrying on as we are , mother and father in law in their 80s so sit outside enjoy the weather, who knows things might not get too out of hand.Thankfully our unlocking is a bit more sensible than Boris’ Big Bang day of freedom:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57823021
The fact it isn’t a legal requirement to wear face coverings in supermarkets and public transport in England is a political travesty and as per usual the BBC have been trying their best to justify the shit show. First, we should be trying to make essential areas such as buying food/travel if you’re at risk/unable to be vaccinated as safe as reasonably possible and wearing a mask for 30 minutes is more than fecking reasonable if you aren’t a gammon cnut. Secondly, the messaging by saying FREEDOM DAY and masks can go is basically back to normal the pandemic is over. They’ve tried to reign that in this week but as usual it’s a clusterfeck of ineptitude of their own making as they tried to culture war a fecking pandemic. The fact Wales - who have been insanely cautious throughout this whole thing - only on Saturday can I now legally meet with friends at my house indoors - are doing things pretty similar just a few weeks later shows the data clearly looks good assuming people don’t act like bellends - but just keeping masks and better messaging makes a big difference for me.
Sorry to hear that, worrying that it wasn't mild symptoms only for you. Did you get AZ jabs and, if so, do you know if they were produced in India?Had a positive test on Tuesday after an outbreak at my daughter's school. I've had 2 jabs and it's hit me like a bus. Feeling terrible. Things will just end getting worse from Monday.
I’ve noticed you asking similar questions of anyone who says they’ve got covid recently. I can understand why you’re curious but the answers won’t tell you anything useful. I can say with absolute certainty that some people are catching covid despite being vaccinated. Two doses, one dose, Pfizer, AZ, every other vaccine. It doesn’t matter. You will see people with every possible vaccine history catching covid. And some of those people will end up in hospital. Some will die. That’s the reality we’re dealing with here. The vaccines are remarkably effective but they’re not 100% effective at preventing anything. Which we can see from the PHE data on vaccine effectiveness.Sorry to hear that, worrying that it wasn't mild symptoms only for you. Did you get AZ jabs and, if so, do you know if they were produced in India?
“A few patients we are caring for still deny Covid exists, even as we strap oxygen masks to their faces”… what the feck is wrong with people?!
As he says in the article, they’re going to deal with more and more of these fruit loops in the months ahead. Will be a huge test of their patience.“A few patients we are caring for still deny Covid exists, even as we strap oxygen masks to their faces”… what the feck is wrong with people?!
I was hoping you wouldn't say that.I’ve noticed you asking similar questions of anyone who says they’ve got covid recently. I can understand why you’re curious but the answers won’t tell you anything useful. I can say with absolute certainty that some people are catching covid despite being vaccinated. Two doses, one dose, Pfizer, AZ, every other vaccine. It doesn’t matter. You will see people with every possible vaccine history catching covid. And some of those people will end up in hospital. Some will die. That’s the reality we’re dealing with here. The vaccines are remarkably effective but they’re not 100% effective at preventing anything. Which we can see from the PHE data on vaccine effectiveness.
None whatsoever. For very young kids the much bigger risk to their health has always been old school viruses like influenza, measles or RSV.Any evidence that babies are any more affected by Delta than other versions of the virus?
I ask because we're gonna get our second jabs soon and plan to get back to more or less normal life, unless there's a significant risk to our kid.
Nice. I’m still planning to use her as an excuse to get out of going to things though.None whatsoever. For very young kids the much bigger risk to their health has always been old school viruses like influenza, measles or RSV.
I’m still using my 12 and 10 year olds for that exact purpose. Don’t know how I’m going to cope when they move out of home.Nice. I’m still planning to use her as an excuse to get out of going to things though.
I haven’t been following case numbers in the Nordic countries. Is delta having any impact yet?So this was 3 weeks ago. Still waiting for that disaster.
Get well soonHad a positive test on Tuesday after an outbreak at my daughter's school. I've had 2 jabs and it's hit me like a bus. Feeling terrible. Things will just end getting worse from Monday.
Hope you feel better soon.Had a positive test on Tuesday after an outbreak at my daughter's school. I've had 2 jabs and it's hit me like a bus. Feeling terrible. Things will just end getting worse from Monday.