Giggs trial

[Infordin]

Giggs headbutted his girlfriend? Like Zidane style?

Honestly, I will never understand the thinking process behind headbutting someone.

I mean, surely if you are very angry at someone, your instinct would be to kick/slap/punch that person, right?

What psychological state do you have to be in to use your head as a weapon?

 

[FizzyWomack]

As a young father who has a young daughter, shame on you. Comments like these, you know why they are made, to put doubt against women which will create backlash towards them, and in turn hope for women to stop coming forth when dealing with abuse. This mentality is so wrong. It isnt as if Ryan Giggs has no history. He was shagging his brothers wife for 8 years and didn't bat an eyelid! He is certainly not a beacon for morality or a man to put trust in, especially throwing such accusations to a woman who came forth against him.

And for you to believe what this woman is claiming simply because you have a young daughter is a bit naive. We’ve not even heard all the details from each party yet. There’s no doubt what Giggs was doing behind his brothers back was unforgivable, but if we delve deeper he was shagging this woman a long time before his brother married her.
It doesn’t make it okay of course.

There’s woman in this world that lie and cheat too.

 

[Castia]

Absolute scumbag isn't it. The stuff with his brother wife was bad enough but this is on another level.

 

[VanDeBank]

I think I understand LvG's Sex Masochism comments better now.

Of course, Giggs has already been nailed to the stake

Tied'

And no he hasn't (on these new allegations). 99% here understand the presumption of innocence. He's proven he's a scummy dude way before this, so people aren't suprised.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

And for you to believe what this woman is claiming simply because you have a young daughter is a bit naive. We’ve not even heard all the details from each party yet. There’s no doubt what Giggs was doing behind his brothers back was unforgivable, but if we delve deeper he was shagging this woman a long time before his brother married her.
It doesn’t make it okay of course.

There’s woman in this world that lie and cheat too.

Are you that guy who posted the bullshit earlier but now under a different name?

 

[Tom Cato]

Innocent until proven guilty. Isn't it her word against his? Is there any real evidence or is it just a big snowball of smearing his reputation?

There is enough evidence for the prosecution to go to trial

 

[FizzyWomack]

Giggs headbutted his girlfriend? Like Zidane style?

Honestly, I will never understand the thinking process behind headbutting someone.

I mean, surely if you are very angry at someone, your instinct would be to kick/slap/punch that person, right?

What psychological state do you have to be in to use your head as a weapon?

If you’re angry at someone number 1 you’re not usually thinking straight. Your forehead is a large part of your skull that could cause a lot of damage so using it if you’re in trouble might get you out of bother.

Don’t try it at home though!

 

[Inigo Montoya]

If you’re angry at someone number 1 you’re not usually thinking straight. Your forehead is a large part of your skull that could cause a lot of damage so using it if you’re in trouble might get you out of bother.

Don’t try it at home though!

The forehead is the worst part of the head to butt someone with.

Addressing his point though, a person has to have more than some idea of what’s going to cause a lot of damage when they use their head in this way.

 

[432JuanMata]

I’m always innocent till proven guilty but he has a horrible reputation doesn’t he ? There are fans saying back him he’s a legend .

Ryan Giggs the footballer brought me so much joy was one if not my favourite player but him as a person I don’t care for

 

[Rado_N]

If you’re angry at someone number 1 you’re not usually thinking straight. Your forehead is a large part of your skull that could cause a lot of damage so using it if you’re in trouble might get you out of bother.

Don’t try it at home though!

You from Glasgow?

 

[Matriac]

Imagine if LvG had worked out for a few seasons more with Giggseh as the Assistant Manager.

Would the club then have given Giggs the opportunity to become more than just a caretaker manager? Or do you think they knew enough about his behavior to never give him a figurehead role? (Maybe that's another reason he left?)

Imagine if he was our manager when he got arrested. Not just derailing our season, but the shame and banter. Unprecedented. People don't make a huge deal out of it because he was "just" a National team manager that has periodic connection to players, but imagine if a Prem manager with day to day responsibilities got arrested like this.

 

[Revaulx]

You’re very well informed on a host of topics!
The sex lives of South American footballers.
Sex addiction
Dysfunctional family relationships

I didn’t realise we had a family therapist on here.

Sex masochism is ok though

EDIT this was posted in honour of LvG and to provide some light relief. Not in support of the original post, which to be charitable was bizarre.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Imagine if LvG had worked out for a few seasons more with Giggseh as the Assistant Manager.

Would the club then have given Giggs the opportunity to become more than just a caretaker manager? Or do you think they knew enough about his behavior to never give him a figurehead role? (Maybe that's another reason he left?)

Imagine if he was our manager when he got arrested. Not just derailing our season, but the shame and banter. Unprecedented. People don't make a huge deal out of it because he was "just" a National team manager that has periodic connection to players, but imagine if a Prem manager with day to day responsibilities got arrested like this.

There are a lot of things I’d prefer to imagine about Giggs. Him not being someone with narcissistic personality disorders is probably higher than him not being coach of Utd

 

[Inigo Montoya]

I’m always innocent till proven guilty but he has a horrible reputation doesn’t he ? There are fans saying back him he’s a legend .

Ryan Giggs the footballer brought me so much joy was one if not my favourite player but him as a person I don’t care for

There are probably people who think Hitler should be supported because he was a good artist. They’re still bellends

 

[sullydnl]

Giggs headbutted his girlfriend? Like Zidane style?

Honestly, I will never understand the thinking process behind headbutting someone.

I mean, surely if you are very angry at someone, your instinct would be to kick/slap/punch that person, right?

What psychological state do you have to be in to use your head as a weapon?

Sometimes if you're arguing someone they'll go face to face with you in a way that makes headbutting them quicker and easier than punching them.

I imagine.

 

[Jippy]

Imagine if LvG had worked out for a few seasons more with Giggseh as the Assistant Manager.

Would the club then have given Giggs the opportunity to become more than just a caretaker manager? Or do you think they knew enough about his behavior to never give him a figurehead role? (Maybe that's another reason he left?)

Imagine if he was our manager when he got arrested. Not just derailing our season, but the shame and banter. Unprecedented. People don't make a huge deal out of it because he was "just" a National team manager that has periodic connection to players, but imagine if a Prem manager with day to day responsibilities got arrested like this.

God forbid Giggs' violent, bullying and coercive behaviour to women meant United fans were subjected to 'banter' in your imaginary scenario.

 

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

Actually he would need it despite the allegations. He’s never dealt with the demons of his absentee dad who was also abusive, the death of his mum who he worshipped and all the trust issues or lack of surrounding his relationship with Rodri.
The guy needs major help but it’s up to him to seek it.

Although unproven and still not guilty.
It never ceases to amaze me how people’s reactions to what gets alleged in court gets interpreted. If the same thing was said about a random low earning, overweight 50 year old I really doubt anyone would be talking about the accused being the victim. The very people doing the mental gymnastics to defend or mitigate Giggs actions would be saying “if guilty, the guys an evil knut” he’ll these people wouldn’t even be adding the “if guilty part” they’d already assume guilt

 

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

Imagine if LvG had worked out for a few seasons more with Giggseh as the Assistant Manager.

Would the club then have given Giggs the opportunity to become more than just a caretaker manager? Or do you think they knew enough about his behavior to never give him a figurehead role? (Maybe that's another reason he left?)

Imagine if he was our manager when he got arrested. Not just derailing our season, but the shame and banter. Unprecedented. People don't make a huge deal out of it because he was "just" a National team manager that has periodic connection to players, but imagine if a Prem manager with day to day responsibilities got arrested like this.

Wonder how long until the “he was expecting the United job and lost his way after not getting it so blame the board” defence takes to come out.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

To soothe myself I am imagining this scene with Fergie in Paulie's place and Giggs as Henry Hill. Let's hope a similar interaction on the subject of Giggs' conduct rather than selling contraband happens soon.

 

[432JuanMata]

There are probably people who think Hitler should be supported because he was a good artist. They’re still bellends

It’s madness isn’t it ? He did so much for this club and was a incredible player but that doesn’t mean you should become a sheep and support him if he is doing what he is doing

 

[Cloud7]

There have been extra-football issues that some fans have allowed their football feelings to cloud their judgement on in the past that have disappointed me, but none have disappointed me as much as people trying to defend Giggs for this.

 

[Semper Fudge]

You'll always get people on here trying to twist your words.

Is violence against women OK? Absolutely not and those who do it should absolutely be punished.

But point I was making is that is this woman the innocent victim? Or was she hoping to provoke Giggs into a reaction so that she can swindle him for millions by attacking him in a way that will cause him to respond, while conveniently having her sister there to watch? Was it all premeditated?

I don't thing Giggs is the monster that many are so eager to portray him as here. Has he ever been violent with any of his previous 10,000 girlfriends? As far as I know he hasn't, so that's why I'm suspicious of this lady taking him to court.

You need to take a long look at who you are as a person, it isn't pretty.

 

[Matriac]

God forbid Giggs' violent, bullying and coercive behaviour to women meant United fans were subjected to 'banter' in your imaginary scenario.

Hey, thanks for checking me on that. That part was worded badly by me. Probably infused by a few drinks on Friday night.

My train of thought started by wondering whether the club, and specifically the board, knew about his string of violent behavior and thus would never have put him in a super prominent role, even though some fans clamoured for it.

Then the banter part was just in general how some oppo's would react if a prem manager actually got arrested for anything, without directly thinking about this specific case.

Of course I would take everyone bantering us all day every day if it meant a human being didn't have to experience what it seems to be his ex (and likely others before her) did.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Giggs headbutted his girlfriend? Like Zidane style?

Honestly, I will never understand the thinking process behind headbutting someone.

I mean, surely if you are very angry at someone, your instinct would be to kick/slap/punch that person, right?

What psychological state do you have to be in to use your head as a weapon?

Anger issues probably. Some people need help.

 

[NotThatSoph]

Innocent until proven guilty. Isn't it her word against his? Is there any real evidence or is it just a big snowball of smearing his reputation?

Innocent until proven guilty, but lets speculate that his ex is guilty of a crime.

I also love that dichtomy you've created, either there is any real evidence or it's a criminal smear, no other options. Charming.

 

[Shane88]

Giggs headbutted his girlfriend? Like Zidane style?

Honestly, I will never understand the thinking process behind headbutting someone.

I mean, surely if you are very angry at someone, your instinct would be to kick/slap/punch that person, right?

What psychological state do you have to be in to use your head as a weapon?

It's fast, surprising and will do a lot of damage if it hits someone's nose.

But enough about the merits of a headbutt. Giggs is a rancid cnut.

 

[Redlambs]

You'll always get people on here trying to twist your words.

Is violence against women OK? Absolutely not and those who do it should absolutely be punished.

But point I was making is that is this woman the innocent victim? Or was she hoping to provoke Giggs into a reaction so that she can swindle him for millions by attacking him in a way that will cause him to respond, while conveniently having her sister there to watch? Was it all premeditated?

I don't thing Giggs is the monster that many are so eager to portray him as here. Has he ever been violent with any of his previous 10,000 girlfriends? As far as I know he hasn't, so that's why I'm suspicious of this lady taking him to court.

There's no need to twist your words. You are clearly broken.

 

[Salt Bailly]

I think Giggsy is borderline ferrel.

Will or Colin?

 

[Schmeichel=God]

Doesnt really matter if guilty or not, he has enough shit on his CV to be canceled.

Terrible human being

Really must hear Brendan deliver this character summary.

Surely Wales terminate him?

Visions of the Welsh populace crossing the border, riding their sheep, descending upon the North West torches aloft in hunt of Giggs.

Giggs headbutted his girlfriend? Like Zidane style?

Honestly, I will never understand the thinking process behind headbutting someone.

I mean, surely if you are very angry at someone, your instinct would be to kick/slap/punch that person, right?

What psychological state do you have to be in to use your head as a weapon?

Only Phil Jones and John Terry will be able to shed light on this matter of suddenly placing heads anywhere at a moments notice.

Also this memory seems fitting:

Spoiler: Felt this should be spoilered?!! Claret down a boat race.

Glasgow indeed

 

[432JuanMata]

Giggs headbutted his girlfriend? Like Zidane style?

Honestly, I will never understand the thinking process behind headbutting someone.

I mean, surely if you are very angry at someone, your instinct would be to kick/slap/punch that person, right?

What psychological state do you have to be in to use your head as a weapon?

Too be fair he slept with his brothers wife for years so he obviously doesn’t care for his wife

 

[Jippy]

Hey, thanks for checking me on that. That part was worded badly by me. Probably infused by a few drinks on Friday night.

My train of thought started by wondering whether the club, and specifically the board, knew about his string of violent behavior and thus would never have put him in a super prominent role, even though some fans clamoured for it.

Then the banter part was just in general how some oppo's would react if a prem manager actually got arrested for anything, without directly thinking about this specific case.

Of course I would take everyone bantering us all day every day if it meant a human being didn't have to experience what it seems to be his ex (and likely others before her) did.

I doubt he was in the running for the job purely for footballing and experience reasons. If they had massive doubts about his character it didn't stop them bringing him in as LVG's assistant.

 

[Champ]

Pictures of bruises don’t prove anything.
A friend of mine was accused of physically abusing his then wife. He had been a prick anyway and was having an affair but she got pissed and in a row with him, fell down the stairs. He was accused of beating her up because her shoulder was badly bruised. It was never proved but he still had to leave the family home as is the case in in any spousal abuse cases. He did end up having a restraining order and only supervised visits with his kids.

Pictures of physical abuse is pretty much the only evidence you can get, so whilst they may not prove who did it etc it can be proven that certain bruises are caused by certain types of blows.
It's very doubtful that without pictorial evidence that any genuine outcome will be determined

 

[adexkola]

There is enough evidence for the prosecution to go to trial

"You can indict a ham sandwich", the saying goes. That doesn't mean shit until a defense has a chance to examine the evidence and cross-examine witnesses.

I think I understand LvG's Sex Masochism comments better now.


Tied'

And no he hasn't (on these new allegations). 99% here understand the presumption of innocence. He's proven he's a scummy dude way before this, so people aren't suprised.

I have no judgement on him sleeping with his brother's wife. I wouldn't do it, but whatever... 2 consenting adults and all. That has no bearing on whether or not he is guilty of these charges, as much as people insinuate the opposite.

 

[Mr Smith]

Is it though? I think Giggs is a scumbag of a person for shagging his brother's wife and smacking women around, but then why would a sane woman willingly want to get with Giggsy. I'm not victim blaming, but to question the sanity of any woman dating Giggs is not that farfetched. Anyways, so far it's still in the "allegedly phase" so let's see what the discovery process produces.

Be careful with this. Abusers often present themselves in a very different light until things start to turn ugly. I've seen a few women in a clinical setting who have been abused by men, and it took a long time for all of them to realise they were in an abusive relationship. These things rarely go from 0 to 100 overnight; it's a gradual escalation.

Obviously innocent until proven guilty in Giggs' case, but just be careful with those kind of snap judgements on the alleged victim as it can be very damaging and perpetuate incorrect opinions about how abuse occurs/develops.

 

[SAFMUTD]

As much as I like Giggs as a player he's a shitty shitty human being.

 

[Sky1981]

And for you to believe what this woman is claiming simply because you have a young daughter is a bit naive. We’ve not even heard all the details from each party yet. There’s no doubt what Giggs was doing behind his brothers back was unforgivable, but if we delve deeper he was shagging this woman a long time before his brother married her.
It doesn’t make it okay of course.

There’s woman in this world that lie and cheat too.

Yes. There are. I give some benefit of doubt in gray area. Like saying stop during an intercourse, which is a she says he says, or some silly remakrs taken as harrassment.

But when the bruises are visible then it's hard to defend the guy. You always have the choice to walk away, step back, deescalate, storm out of the room etc. Anything but getting physical

 

[nazanto]

Very naive of this lady to think she was going to have a committed spiritual union with Giggsy.

The likes of Italians and Brazilian footballers get to have as many birds they want, whenever they want, and it's kind of accepted by the girlfriends and wives.

I'll always defend Giggs. Yes he boned his brothers missus for years, but he had already been dating her before his brother got his hands on her. So his brother decided to marry a bird who his famous sibling had already been shagging for years. That's not a wise move and smacks of insecurity from Rodri. Anyways a lot of famous athletes are sexaholics. Comes with the territory. Very easy to judge them when you're a bloke who doesn't exactly have women hanging out of you.

You'll always get people on here trying to twist your words.

Is violence against women OK? Absolutely not and those who do it should absolutely be punished.

But point I was making is that is this woman the innocent victim? Or was she hoping to provoke Giggs into a reaction so that she can swindle him for millions by attacking him in a way that will cause him to respond, while conveniently having her sister there to watch? Was it all premeditated?

I don't thing Giggs is the monster that many are so eager to portray him as here. Has he ever been violent with any of his previous 10,000 girlfriends? As far as I know he hasn't, so that's why I'm suspicious of this lady taking him to court.

You've not done yourself any favor by posting these garbage in here Giggsy. It's your right to defend yourself in court but holy hell I wish you lose. Great footballer you are, but utter rubbish as a man.

 

[red thru&thru]

Love Giggs as the player, d*ck of a human being.

Unfortunately, he has tainted his legacy.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Giggs headbutted his girlfriend? Like Zidane style?

Honestly, I will never understand the thinking process behind headbutting someone.

I mean, surely if you are very angry at someone, your instinct would be to kick/slap/punch that person, right?

What psychological state do you have to be in to use your head as a weapon?

Anger and hate fuelled

 

[predator]

The man is a bellend. When you hear his name trending you just know its not because of his astounding contribution to society.

Giggs couldve become the undisputed greatest player in our history but he is a wrongen and that's all I will ever think of him.

Massive shame. If I was related to the woman in question I would want to strangle him.