We should not let him go if we don’t have a replacement lined up. Inconsistent performances aside, it weakens us significantly if he leaves.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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If we can replace him. That's the big issue right now. Our finances are not that great and we have already spent huge amount on Sancho. We would have some fixed amortization amount each season after player acquisition and sales and I hope we have enough for atleast the players we need.
Pogba leaving would mean we need 2 MF ,1 CB and 1 RB. Not sure if we will be able to pull it off
He doesn’t come across as the brightest in fairness.
I think it's in the best interest of the club and player that he's sold tbh. Utd can build a cohesive team, instead of trying to shoehorn in a player who simply doesn't fit what they want to do, Pogba can get Raiola paid.
Sell him and get a replacement. Unfortunately I don't trust the Glazers to reinvest and replace him.
The same convo happens every transfer window. Expectations raised, then nothing happens. Then someone says just wait till the transfer window ends...and nothing happens. If you have been following our efforts in transfer windows in the past you will see that we are following on a similar path. Including the bringing in of players to strengthen in non-priority areas. So far the same ole same ole. And our season starts in just three weeks time.
He's a hard one to fathom isn't he, because all of his peers apparently love him and yet on (in terms of tactical awareness) and off the pitch he really does come across as a fecking idiot
The improvement in the right wing position is the gap between Greenwood and Sancho. That gap isn't massive... and it doesn't make us title contenders. Our weakest area of the pitch is central midfield and it looks like we are losing Pogba. We have known this. If and when he goes, and it is highly likely, we will be replacing downwards as it stands. And then we have McTominay and Fred. That is not a honours-challenging midfield. But we strengthen our forward line, which is where we are at our strongest. If that makes sense.. Then this £$£!"$!£"TWRWEFQWERQWEREWFD makes sense.
PSG fans know exactly what they will be getting that's why. From the sublime to the ridiculous from game to game. No consistency from him.
We don't know what goes on in the background. If he wants to leave, then it's obviously better to sell him for 40-50 million now rather than to have him play in 2nd gear for a year and then leave on a free.
He's not among our top 3 most important players. In fact, you could argue that he's not even top 5. His off-pitch antics where his agent and family talks shit has been annoying for a long time. He's 28 years old and ready for his final big contract. The team balance suffers when he plays. On top of this he's inconsistent and at times it genuinely looks like he doesn't care.
He's obviously a very good player but I'll be disappointed if the club desperately tries to keep him now. I can't find a single good argument for it. If he was our best or second best player and we clearly suffered when he wasn't in the starting XI then I'd get it, but this is not the case here.
He's not among our top 3 most important players. In fact, you could argue that he's not even top 5. His off-pitch antics where his agent and family talks shit has been annoying for a long time. He's 28 years old and ready for his final big contract. The team balance suffers when he plays. On top of this he's inconsistent and at times it genuinely looks like he doesn't care.
He's obviously a very good player but I'll be disappointed if the club desperately tries to keep him now. I can't find a single good argument for it. If he was our best or second best player and we clearly suffered when he wasn't in the starting XI then I'd get it, but this is not the case here.
Used to that with Neymar and Mbappe though aren't they
Strange thing to say considering how noisy we have been in the market this year.
Sure some of it will need to come to fruition, but there’s a lot more positive noise coming out this year than previous
Yep — and I’d say our midfield without Pogba is weaker than our attack was without Lukaku. In other words, I trusted Martial/Rashford/Greenwood more than I trust McFred and beeky.
Yeah they already have two big time Charlies. They don't want a third.Used to that with Neymar and Mbappe though aren't they
Not a strange thing to say after over 15 years of Glazer ownership.
Noise happens every year, it is part of our social media strategy most likely.
If we get Varane and a DM and/or a replacement if Pogba leaves, then fair enough.
Looks increasingly likely that he'll retire here
Donnarumma (Navas)
Marquinhos — Ramos — Kinpembe
Hakimi — Wijnaldum — Verratti — Pogba — Bernat
Neymar — Mbappe (Di Maria)
Marquinhos — Ramos — Kinpembe
Hakimi — Wijnaldum — Verratti — Pogba — Bernat
Neymar — Mbappe (Di Maria)
That’s potentially the strongest PSG side in god knows how long. Neymar will finally get some of the supporting cast he deserves.
I agree with you to a point. Pogba is a creator and draws defenders. He can be a match winner. I am on the fence. I can see that losing Pogba is not the end of the world. But it looks bad to lose your best players. The best teams don't lose their best players. I have been on hear berrating Pogba's lack of loyalty. I won't shed too many tears if he goes. But we HAVE to replace him. Because our midfield stinks to high heaven compared to your Chelseas, Citys and Liverpools as it stands, let alone when losing Pogba. You could, in theory, bring back Lingard, and if he is the player that played for West Ham, that might be good. But my theory there is that he was able to concentrate on his football in London because he away for the distractions he has further north. I would not put all my money on Lingard carrying on his West Ham form. But I would have him in my squad every day of the week. My concern is that resorting to Lingard is another last resort option that United since Sir Alex left have been very good at.
Yep incredibly strong looking team. Bet they still don't win the UCL though
Agree re: VdB, the notion he was suddenly ‘kick on’ because we’ll be forced to play him more is true RedCaf mental gymnastics.
He has been terrible but selling a better player will somehow ‘unlock him’.
Selling Pogba won’t bring balance, let’s see the state of the McFred threads when we’re drawing at Newcastle or West Ham without a Pogba to come on & change the game.
By all means sell him but we must replace him with quality.
I’ve answered my point elsewhere but no slander was meant, let’s forget Ince.
Butt [once the class of ‘92 were established] was surrounded by Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham in midfield - with a solid defence & attack whilst most importantly having one of, if not the, best manager ever.
That isn’t to slander Butt, I’d take him over McFred, VdB in a minute but surely context matters.
He was a damn good midfielder.
We have players who can play on the right. Sancho actually is equally as effective if you have seen him on the left. This isn't a debate over whether Sancho is a super player. As said earlier if you compare Greenwood to Sancho in that position what is the gap? And is that gap big enough to make any difference. In other words, how big an improvement to the side does his arrival herald? I would argue it is not a big difference. And that the priority improvements are needed elsewhere and I would say midfield especially and that is without Pogba leaving. City won the league without what is called 'a striker' so go figure.
Difference in theory should be huge as far as chance creation/assists.
Definitely not — because we are.Yep incredibly strong looking team. Bet they still don't win the UCL though
Even if he actually has rejected a contract offer, we're used to clubs rejecting our first bids for players as part of normal procedure in negotiations. Why should it be any different for a contract renewal. We're essentially sending off bids to the player.
But when it leaks to the press. What matters is what camp did it come from.
If from Pogba's camp it's to pressure the club into upping the bid, that it's close and he's willing to accept a slightly improved offer.
If leaked from the club's side it's to give an ultimatum that this either was or is very close to the final offer, so accept it or leave.
But when it leaks to the press. What matters is what camp did it come from.
If from Pogba's camp it's to pressure the club into upping the bid, that it's close and he's willing to accept a slightly improved offer.
If leaked from the club's side it's to give an ultimatum that this either was or is very close to the final offer, so accept it or leave.
Yeah but teams are far more than that. Pogba does more than the stats would reveal, otherwise McTominay is a better midfielder because he scored more goals than him last season from a defensive midfield position. But I don't know why I am defending Pogba he has been poison in the past and last season he had to turn something on because he was injured, and wanted to play for France and needed to put himself in the shop window if he wants to leave. Not a fan of the prima donna side of his game. And he probably is overrated. But even I recognise a Pogba fully committed is a beautiful thing to watch
The sooner he's gone the better it will be. He won't be here next season and I can't for the life of me see why we would offer him a pay rise when he has never been up front with his or his (agent provocateur)views.
Good post. Not like the shite from the Daily Mail posted after yours.
Most shocking thing for me is the realisation that PSG fans have emotions.
I think the same of PSG, city and Chelsea fans.. I assume they just walk robotically into the stadium and sit on their phones as their money doping players pretend to care
You would think that's a tiny subset of fans. That locker room will implode on itself if this transfer goes trough!
You are on fire! Good points; highlight was Fat Toad Raiola
I thought your talking about how much of an improvement Sancho is over Greenwood on the right?
I want Pogba to stay mate, been one of his biggest defenders on here. Imo will be a big step backwards if we lose him.
Not only is he the only deeper lying midfield player who can play the ball forwards but he also takes some of the creative burden away from Bruno.
You watch the pressure that will be lumped on Bruno, regardless of the added creativity of Sancho, the absence of Pogba will pile more pressure on Bruno.
He has to stay for Souness' sake. What else is he going to talk about when he is on the air?
United fans talk about Pogba as if we’re losing prime Ronaldo. And we actually did lose prime Ronaldo and were still successful!
Guess what, Man City walked the league last season and they didn’t have Pogba. Chelsea won the CL and they didn’t have Pogba. If he doesn’t want to be here he can go, it’s not like a team can only be successful if they have Paul fecking Pogba. The reactions are embarrassing.
Guess what, Man City walked the league last season and they didn’t have Pogba. Chelsea won the CL and they didn’t have Pogba. If he doesn’t want to be here he can go, it’s not like a team can only be successful if they have Paul fecking Pogba. The reactions are embarrassing.
Oh shit, somebody get that bloody thing down before he sees it.
So happy to lose him for free then?
He probably wouldnt unless sick of ligue 1 and nobody caring when they win it. Just an example of sort of player that would be way better for us that pogba
Reading this, you couldn’t see football more d differently to me.
Personally I think Greenwood has filled in that role as best he can but there’s a reason AWB has to be a beast defensively and why he’s so limited with options going forward. All I’ll say is I think it is highly likely Sancho balances our team out and we start to see a shift away from our attacks predominantly being built down the left. This will help everyone, makes us harder to predict and, crucially, just having a player who positionally knows the role (Greenwood is a striker and grew up mainly playing as a striker) will be telling when we play the deep defensive lower league teams.
CM is our area with the most depth and quality - Pogba, Bruno, Fred, Matic, McT, VdB…we’ve chosen to play a defensive pair and to play without a focus on offensive possession, that doesn’t mean we’re weak there. I want Ole to ditch the double pívot but, unless he does, what’s the point of a specialist DM who can sit alone? We’ve had Pogba for years and he ended up being shunted to LW…VdB doesn’t even play. It’s not a lack of quality it’s a conscious choice to play a limited but effective style.
This is strategic chess, maybe. Fat Toad 3d-style summer madness chess. Do PSG even want him? Maybe United want rid of him? Mini beats his drum. Plenty of smoke and mirrors, I’d suspect. One day this will end in PogTears, I predict
Oh.bum the quotes got all buggered up.
Does he really come across as daft off the pitch? I've always thought he was quite intelligent.
Right wing was by far the biggest hole in the squad and has been the highest priority everyone should be able to recognise that. Sancho is a far better winger than Greenwood who is quite obviously a striker (and a young one at that) just doing a job out there.
Plus Pogba rarely actually plays in midfield. Last season he was used on the wing quite a lot often with rashford having to play out of position on the right to accommodate him. So signing sancho makes sense.
If pogba leaves it wouldn't be that difficult to replace him. Not because he's not extremely talented but because he's rarely performed to his potential for us and 2 managers now have had trouble trying to fit him into a balanced formation.