Giggs trial

[OL29]

I'd say losing his mum probably had the most traumatic effect.

I don’t think his mum’s dead?

 

[duffer]

Has anything been proven yet? In no way defending him, but surely the case of Depp and Heard has at least taught people to acknowledge that you are innocent until proven guilty?

He'll be found guilty or not guilty by whoever is on the jury but people have already made their mind up one way or another regarding Giggs.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

I don’t think his mum’s dead?

Really? I’m sure I read that she’d passed

 

[Mickson]

It's a trial. If he is convicted or not doesn't mean that he hasn't done anything. I think it's pretty obvious that he has done some shit and that his view on women is terrible, regardless of what the jury CAN PROVE. It's often word against word in these cases and hard to convict someone. People should just stop defending him, regardless of what he has done on the pitch for United.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Because he was an alcoholic or a better player?

Nothing to do with his playing. Back in the late 60s and 70s it was a different world with different values. Footballers were by and large expected to look after themselves and had very little or no protection. Best wasn’t the only one who succumbed to alcohol etc. Many lower profile players went the same way.

I’m not excusing Best in anyway, and he was abusive to his ex wife( Callum’s mother) but Giggs and modern day players have a lot more access to support than players of the past ever did. We’re now talking half a century ago that Best started to go off the rails. That’s a hell of a long time

 

[17Larsson]

I find it hard to watch anything of Giggs playing for us now. He has really soured his reputation for me and it's almost unreal to me how excited i was to watch him play at his peak and to see walk out as our Manager after Moyes was sacked

I really find this attitude hard to understand.

He gave everything for Man Utd, his full professional career was towards helping this club win multiple trophies.

If you're a Manchester United supporter, that's all that really matters. His personal life, good or bad, is no business of ours

 

[Giant Midget]

I really find this attitude hard to understand.

He gave everything for Man Utd, his full professional career was towards helping this club win multiple trophies.

If you're a Manchester United supporter, that's all that really matters. His personal life, good or bad, is no business of ours

Not that I’m equating Giggs behavior to something as bad as this, but taking your viewpoint to its extreme would mean that it’s alright to listen to Lostprohets even after Ian Watkins was convicted of being a baby rapist because you’re a fan of the band and his personal life is “no business of ours.”

 

[Inigo Montoya]

I really find this attitude hard to understand.

He gave everything for Man Utd, his full professional career was towards helping this club win multiple trophies.

If you're a Manchester United supporter, that's all that really matters. His personal life, good or bad, is no business of ours

I can see your point but it’s hard to separate the player and the man that is.

Not everyone is going to turn a blind eye to it, I mean where would you draw a line: rape, child abuse, human trafficking,murder?

I can see what you mean that it’s none of our business but that is down to Giggs in the end. He knew that as soon as he did what he did, it’d become public. It’s naive to think that the public in this day and age won’t have an opinion

 

[Andy_Cole]

Not that I’m equating Giggs behavior to something as bad as this, but taking your viewpoint to its extreme would mean that it’s alright to listen to Lostprohets even after Ian Watkins was convicted of being a baby rapist because you’re a fan of the band and his personal life is “no business of ours.”

Yeh same with R Kelly. I feel uncomfortable whenever I hear Ignition now.

 

[Oranges038]

Nothing to do with his playing. Back in the late 60s and 70s it was a different world with different values. Footballers were by and large expected to look after themselves and had very little or no protection. Best wasn’t the only one who succumbed to alcohol etc. Many lower profile players went the same way.

I’m not excusing Best in anyway, and he was abusive to his ex wife( Callum’s mother) but Giggs and modern day players have a lot more access to support than players of the past ever did. We’re now talking half a century ago that Best started to go off the rails. That’s a hell of a long time

Nearly everybody else is expected to look after themselves, why shouldn't footballers? They have plenty of money and can seek any amount of help. If Phil Jones was in any other profession and unfit for work, he'd be going down to the welfare office signng on for disabiltiy and getting about a 100 quid a week.

It's not even 20 years since Best was beating the shit out of his wife and putting her in hospital. The man had a problem with drink, plenty of people tried to help him, he kept drinking, he got a transplant and still kept drinking. He drank himself to death.

How much more help should he have got? What help should he have gotten to stop him from hitting a woman?

Same for Giggs, he's a multi millionaire, he has plenty of money to get all the help he might need. I don't need any special support to stop me from getting drunk and hitting my wife and I've been through plenty of shit, I just don't do it. It really isn't that hard. If all this is proven to be true. Then he has nobody to blame but himself.

 

[Judge Red]

Giggsy has got Joey Barton for company now. Well done, Giggsy. Barton is your level of humanity.

 

[Penna]

Well I've not read all of it but he head butted her sister, kicked his gf in the back and threw her out naked in a hotel room?
I do hope their is pictures of the bruising left from the assault, sounds abit like when your mum would kick you in your backside to get you to move.
I'm guessing there is also camera footage of his gf walking around naked when he threw her out.
As for the blocking her or telling her to leave when she questions him about flirting, well that's how every girl reacts, just on the other foot now,

I don't think you've read the charges against him, or you wouldn't be so quick to make such a vacuous comment.

 

[NotThatSoph]

I don’t know how the mods view this thread and it’s various contributions, but clearly - at this stage - what we have are a set of allegations. You can think what you like about Ryan Giggs. But he deserves the chance to answer in court to these serious charges. There’s still an awful lot we don’t know.

He's getting his trial, so you don't have to worry. No one is throwing him in jail yet.

 

[BazzaBear]

It's a trial. If he is convicted or not doesn't mean that he hasn't done anything. I think it's pretty obvious that he has done some shit and that his view on women is terrible, regardless of what the jury CAN PROVE. It's often word against word in these cases and hard to convict someone. People should just stop defending him, regardless of what he has done on the pitch for United.

I sort of get what you're saying. But on the other hand, it's very much suggesting that we can trust trial by media and rumour mongering on social media more than our actual justice system. Those are perhaps the two things in this country we can trust least of all.

 

[VivaObertan]

Not that I’m equating Giggs behavior to something as bad as this, but taking your viewpoint to its extreme would mean that it’s alright to listen to Lostprohets even after Ian Watkins was convicted of being a baby rapist because you’re a fan of the band and his personal life is “no business of ours.”

They did make some great songs though, I still listen in my car sometimes

 

[FrankDrebin]

Did Mean Machine ever get a sequel ?

 

[Sky1981]

I really find this attitude hard to understand.

He gave everything for Man Utd, his full professional career was towards helping this club win multiple trophies.

If you're a Manchester United supporter, that's all that really matters. His personal life, good or bad, is no business of ours

If he managed united after all this I will stop supporting united.

 

[NotThatSoph]

I sort of get what you're saying. But on the other hand, it's very much suggesting that we can trust trial by media and rumour mongering on social media more than our actual justice system. Those are perhaps the two things in this country we can trust least of all.

It isn't a trial by media, it's the claim of the women involved vs the claims of Giggs. Giggs will be convicted if it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, but if we classify that as a somewhat arbitrary 99 % certainty then there's the whole range of 50 %< x < 99 % where he'll probably have done it but won't get convicted. That's why it's not unusual to see people who have to pay their victims in civil court while found not guilty in criminal court, and if we are to draw a parallell from the real world to the court room then civil court with its preponderance of the evidence is surely more apt.

It's why Al Capone in the eyes of the law was only guilty of tax evasion, because that's all that could be proven beyond reasonable doubt, but everyone knows that he was a murdering gangster. No further comparison to Giggs implied, he's not quite at that level.

 

[lsd]

I really find this attitude hard to understand.

He gave everything for Man Utd, his full professional career was towards helping this club win multiple trophies.

If you're a Manchester United supporter, that's all that really matters. His personal life, good or bad, is no business of ours

It is when you know what a scumbag he is. Even if you can ignore him beating women which you shouldn't the fact he went with his brothers wife is just unforgivable.

The man is scum and I can't celebrate that or think we'll he was a good footballer so it's all good

 

[fergieisold]

I really find this attitude hard to understand.

He gave everything for Man Utd, his full professional career was towards helping this club win multiple trophies.

If you're a Manchester United supporter, that's all that really matters. His personal life, good or bad, is no business of ours

There’s just certain things that aren’t acceptable as a human being. If it’s proven in court he is the scumbag he is reported to be then that’s it for his legacy really. Nobody will be wanting to talk about his past achievements.

 

[11101]

I really find this attitude hard to understand.

He gave everything for Man Utd, his full professional career was towards helping this club win multiple trophies.

If you're a Manchester United supporter, that's all that really matters. His personal life, good or bad, is no business of ours

Depends doesn't it. I remember Giggs the player fondly and can separate that from Giggs the man. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the club in a managerial capacity though. He's finished his playing career and should have no connection to the club anymore.

 

[MC89]

Never judge a book by the cover I guess.

You would think Giggs was nothing but exemplary based on how he carried himself on the pitch. Yet privately things are clearly different.

Unless it’s a scud book.

 

[FrankDrebin]

There’s just certain things that aren’t acceptable as a human being. If it’s proven in court he is the scumbag he is reported to be then that’s it for his legacy really. Nobody will be wanting to talk about his past achievements.

This is it for me.

 

[Jippy]

The Giggs defence brigade

Anyone from the Giggs Defence Brigade feel free to chip in and help your buddy here.

Giggs has been charged with very serious offences so keep your puerile tribal name calling out of this thread please.

 

[BazzaBear]

It isn't a trial by media, it's the claim of the women involved vs the claims of Giggs. Giggs will be convicted if it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, but if we classify that as a somewhat arbitrary 99 % certainty then there's the whole range of 50 %< x < 99 % where he'll probably have done it but won't get convicted. That's why it's not unusual to see people who have to pay their victims in civil court while found not guilty in criminal court, and if we are to draw a parallell from the real world to the court room then civil court with its preponderance of the evidence is surely more apt.

It's why Al Capone in the eyes of the law was only guilty of tax evasion, because that's all that could be proven beyond reasonable doubt, but everyone knows that he was a murdering gangster. No further comparison to Giggs implied, he's not quite at that level.

And what if neither court finds against him?

 

[NotThatSoph]

And what if neither court finds against him?

Then whoever's judging in criminal court thinks it's less that 99 % chance he did it and whoever judges in civil court thinks less than 50 %.

 

[P-Ro]

Giggsy has got Joey Barton for company now. Well done, Giggsy. Barton is your level of humanity.

Bit harsh on Joey that. Did he also shag his brother's wife for years?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Bit harsh on Joey that. Did he also shag his brother's wife for years?

No but he has a history of violence and an awful view on women.

 

[JJ12]

Bit harsh on Joey that. Did he also shag his brother's wife for years?

Joey Barton started earlier with his violence - I’d say they are pretty even

 

[Isotope]

Please enlighten me. Shagging your brother's wife isn't a violence against woman. So this past shouldn't even be used to draw any line, should it?

 

[SuperiorXI]

Looking like another one of those incredible player, awful person situations. If this is all true he has tainted his legacy for sure.

 

[KetilOwren88]

Because he was an alcoholic or a better player?

Alcoholism and drug addiction in general is a disease and most times not an actual choice of life. Best’s mother was an alcoholic too, making George vulnerable. Of course he did bad things too, but «killing» himself in his 50’s by drinking tells you this was a person who suffered a lot and never managed to take back control of his life. Of course it didn’t help that Best’s fame got out of control during a time this was something yet to be seen and nobody was prepared for the constant media circus and lack of privacy. Even though there are no excuses for some of Best’s actions, the situation with Giggs is still very different. You can do bad actions and make even worse choices and still be a good person (which most people would suggest Best was) and visa versa. Sleeping with your brother’s wife for 8 (!) years feels more calculated and a different league alone to anything George Best did in my book.

 

[Denis79]

Convicted or not, it's obvious he's a despicable twat.

 

[tenpoless]

It kinda pissed me off that someone like Gerrard who were a complete cringy footballer goes on to become a decent manager while a role model footballer like Giggs cant even manage his life properly.

 

[Beans]

It kinda pissed me off that someone like Gerrard who were a complete cringy footballer goes on to become a decent manager while a role model footballer like Giggs cant even manage his life properly.

Gerrard has his friend push a guy in the back towards him, then sucker punched the guy as he fell forward, claiming he thought the guy was attacking, knocked out some of his teeth, cuz he wouldn’t play Phil Collins! He’s a c*nt.

 

[The Brown Bull]

Gerrard has his friend push a guy in the back towards him, then sucker punched the guy as he fell forward, claiming he thought the guy was attacking, knocked out some of his teeth, cuz he wouldn’t play Phil Collins! He’s a c*nt.

100%.C*nt before he did that & a bigger C*nt after.

 

[Green_Red]

Give Giggsy a cell until the end of the season

Sack Ole, cell Giggsey

 

[Trequarista10]

Giggsy has got Joey Barton for company now. Well done, Giggsy. Barton is your level of humanity.

Giggs is far worse than Joey Barton. Barton is/was a hot head, but he's mellowed with age, Giggs is one cold bastard and doesn't have the mitigation of being young and immature that Barton has/had.

That said, innocent until proven guilty in this case.

 

[Spaghetti]

Giggs is far worse than Joey Barton. Barton is/was a hot head, but he's mellowed with age, Giggs is one cold bastard and doesn't have the mitigation of being young and immature that Barton has/had.

That said, innocent until proven guilty in this case.

I think the poster was referring to Barton being charged with beating a woman last week.

 

[Trequarista10]

I think the poster was referring to Barton being charged with beating a woman last week.

Oh, I wasn't aware of that. I retract my previous description of Joey Barton.