Yeah probably. I'm not sure if having already had covid 19 changes anything, I had it in December but besides losing my sense of smell I felt fine.
The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll
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Got my first dose at 10am, Pfizer, it's now 6:30pm and the only complaint is a very minor pain in the arm.
There are differences in the specs of the UK and EU passes. The UK have split their app into an "events pass" that uses vaccine status or recent covid test and a travel pass that doesn't include a test as an option.
The EU pass has vaccinated, recovered and recent test as options for approval. The UK want to announce a deal that covers US travel as well but there's no US covid passport app equivalent and they don't even have a national record system. It's all state by state and mostly just a paper card with CDC at the top, and a few basic details underneath.
They've also got a couple of tactical problems, like which vaccines - any approved by the MHRA or EMA or any used in the UK or EU, or do they go with the WHO list. I assume they've trying to write a kind of reciprocal deal that says we trust each other, but sounds like a consistent, enforceable standard (even if it isn't).
The GDPR problems are what I have heard about. The UK can't get access to an EU person's personal data so they can't verify who the pass belongs to.
Has this been posted yet? The worrying drop off in vaccine effectiveness in Israel was a stats issue, and the vaccines remain very very good.
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I had my second vaccine yesterday. Pfizer. Had/have a sore arm, like it's been punched, but nothing too concerning or annoying to deal with. Very similar to what I had after my first vaccine. Hoping that this doesn't mean that I'm faulty or anything. 
With regards to the talk about the vaccine passports and travel updates (particularly from the EU), it's looking very, very tight. I'm hoping that we get a bit of luck and the UK starts dropping quarantine for double vaccinated EU citizens, for selfish reasons. It looks like it's on a knife-edge...
With regards to the talk about the vaccine passports and travel updates (particularly from the EU), it's looking very, very tight. I'm hoping that we get a bit of luck and the UK starts dropping quarantine for double vaccinated EU citizens, for selfish reasons. It looks like it's on a knife-edge...
Feck yeah. Had seen the original thread and it depressed the hell out of me.
PHE have updated their hospital stats today. Which means some new charts have appeared:
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Summarizing: the unvaxxed over 50s are 12x more likely to be hospitalised with covid than the double vaxxed.
For the under 50s, the unvaxxed are 10x more likely to be hospitalised.
Just to add a rider to the under 50 numbers. The first of the under 50s to be fully vaccinated were generally in high risk jobs (hospital and care workers for example) or people with health problems. In other words, the stats are even better than they look, and the vaccines are important to the healthy under 50s as well as the ones who know they have health issues
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Summarizing: the unvaxxed over 50s are 12x more likely to be hospitalised with covid than the double vaxxed.
For the under 50s, the unvaxxed are 10x more likely to be hospitalised.
Just to add a rider to the under 50 numbers. The first of the under 50s to be fully vaccinated were generally in high risk jobs (hospital and care workers for example) or people with health problems. In other words, the stats are even better than they look, and the vaccines are important to the healthy under 50s as well as the ones who know they have health issues
That's interesting. I didn't really understand those Israel stats that started circulating. They were early to vaccinate, but it was as if they were seeing efficacy drop off a cliff even though they were only a month or two ahead of the UK.
I've just given up on it tonight, I realised I need to renew my passport so that's being sent back to England tomorrow (new ruling, your passport can't be over 10 years old, even if you have extra months on your passport - mine was supposed to expire next May, but on the 10-year rule it expires in August). Maybe by the time my new one arrives ... Hopefully you'll be able to travel very soon.I had my second vaccine yesterday. Pfizer. Had/have a sore arm, like it's been punched, but nothing too concerning or annoying to deal with. Very similar to what I had after my first vaccine. Hoping that this doesn't mean that I'm faulty or anything.
With regards to the talk about the vaccine passports and travel updates (particularly from the EU), it's looking very, very tight. I'm hoping that we get a bit of luck and the UK starts dropping quarantine for double vaccinated EU citizens, for selfish reasons. It looks like it's on a knife-edge...
The situation in South Korea is a little curious. Clearly had the public’s health infrastructure to manage the pandemic but wasn’t able to utilise it for the vaccination campaign. Only just started to vaccinate over 50s and don’t have the supplies to meet the demand. Meanwhile they’ve hit record case numbers with this variant and jumped in and out of restrictions.
They’re expecting it to ramp up hugely in the next month and hit their target of 70% vaccination by September but it is a little strange how they were so proactive and efficient on so many aspects of pandemic management but not this one.
They’re expecting it to ramp up hugely in the next month and hit their target of 70% vaccination by September but it is a little strange how they were so proactive and efficient on so many aspects of pandemic management but not this one.
Not that I'm saying you should run the risk, but apparently Border Force are no longer being asked to check Covid related documentation for travellers.I had my second vaccine yesterday. Pfizer. Had/have a sore arm, like it's been punched, but nothing too concerning or annoying to deal with. Very similar to what I had after my first vaccine. Hoping that this doesn't mean that I'm faulty or anything.
With regards to the talk about the vaccine passports and travel updates (particularly from the EU), it's looking very, very tight. I'm hoping that we get a bit of luck and the UK starts dropping quarantine for double vaccinated EU citizens, for selfish reasons. It looks like it's on a knife-edge...
I thought this is a useful article to understand vaccine efficacy. I had been thinking about it erroneously before I read it:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...eness-meaning-pfizer-sinovac-moderna-14978556
Thanks very much, really appreciate it.
That's one way to look at it. Another would be, that they knew original (and alpha) variant were piss easy to control for a competent country, that they could wait until incompetent Europe and US are vaccinated, and help save thousands of lives there, by not taking finite capacity before needed.
Certainly possible. Obviously they haven’t told their citizens they consciously chose not to purchase supplies early this year just to let other countries more in need get there first. Mostly they’ve said it’s due to unexpected supply shortages. Maybe they’re just hiding those details for political purposes. In any case without any sense of intentionality we can’t really say one way or the other.
I was maybe 15% serious. But I think the conversation has switched too far to talk about vaccines, at least about how to divide the cake. S Korea has done a lot better than any European country during the whole pandemic. And they still get the vaccines in time before anything really bad happens.
I had the same reaction for both jabs. A sore arm and nothing more. The first was worse than 2nd. Worse expecting worse after what I read online.I had my second vaccine yesterday. Pfizer. Had/have a sore arm, like it's been punched, but nothing too concerning or annoying to deal with. Very similar to what I had after my first vaccine. Hoping that this doesn't mean that I'm faulty or anything.
With regards to the talk about the vaccine passports and travel updates (particularly from the EU), it's looking very, very tight. I'm hoping that we get a bit of luck and the UK starts dropping quarantine for double vaccinated EU citizens, for selfish reasons. It looks like it's on a knife-edge...
The news today was very positive! Delighted that they're easing the quarantine restrictions, although frustrating that France is still on the Amber + list...for now. I'm hoping that this will change, as my partner's family are going to be driving from Belgium and will need to go through the Eurotunnel in France.
Yeah, not surprised to hear that they're checking. It can't be physically possible to check all of the documents otherwise you'd have queues for days...Still, I'm not really one to risk things, mainly because I feel guilty over minute things, never mind serious stuff!
I've got some questions regarding the testing...
My partner's family are coming from Belgium for our wedding. They are due to arrive on Friday evening, the Wedding will be on the Sunday, and then they'll leave Monday afternoon.
The testing timescales are confusing us a little.
I'm assuming the following:
- test in Belgium when leaving
- test when entering the UK (on or after day 2)
- test when leaving the UK
- test when entering Belgium
(All of this is assuming that France will get put onto the Amber list and moved from the Amber +)
For the test when leaving Belgium, I imagine that we'll look to get the test done on Wednesday, to then have the result by Thursday, ready for travel on Friday. Tuesday will be too soon for it to be a valid test, right?
For the test when entering the UK - I assume we'll do this on Saturday morning? Then get the result on the Sunday or Monday? Tricky thing is that we're leaving Monday...They could well get the result before travelling.
Which leads me to the next bit, I assume that we'll need a test before leaving the UK? Can we use the same test result as above if we do that test on Saturday? Or will it need to be a different test?
We're currently unsure if we need a test when entering Belgium, e.g. when they get home.
The tricky thing is that they are only in the UK from Friday evening to Monday midday, which isn't a long stay. Typically all guidance and advice is for longer stays, there isn't really much to say what to do if you're only here for a stay of this length.
EDIT: Just read this link which says that they can do the test on the Tuesday before leaving Belgium for the UK, which is helpful.
Had my second Pfizer jab today. No side effects, other than not being there when the broadband installer pissed off and didn't install my broadband. Might report it to some of the medical journals.
Had my second dose of Pfizer yesterday and feeling run down today. I felt the same way after the first shot but it went away after a day.
My fiancé has been completely fine both times.
The number of daily vaccinations in the UK seems to be falling if anything, does anyone know if this is due to lack of supply, or lack of demand? I'd have guessed that production would have increased over time but maybe I'm wrong on that.
Demand.
Getting down to the lunatics, anti vaxxers and the easily manipulated, which is why the push for vaccine passports is coming strong for big events to try and force the hand of some of these people.
Demand has dropped, and things like the walk up centres haven't been able to build demand up again.
One element is that if you test positive for covid, you can't have a vaccine for a month. That basically has taken at least 1/2 million people out of the queue.
The other factor is that you're now into the groups who don't see the point - because they're young and healthy, or they've had covid already - so any discussion of side-effects (however mild) puts them off and any inconvenience in terms of location/timing is enough to delay it. Then they're the people who are actually antivax or who have been scared (or made overconfident) by the antivax lobby.
Half a million is a chunk I suppose, but it's still a bit on the depressing side. And I believe the UK's more vaccine-keen than a lot of other countries as well. Thanks, it's not been discussed much, or likely I've missed it if it has.
I think we're reaching the total point, 88.3% of adults with a first jab, which will translate to a second jab in 8 weeks or so. So you'll naturally have a lag between those doses, and the first dose rate will drop considerably. I personally didn't expect we would get to that high a figure of first jabs originally, and it'd be somewhere around the mid-70s.
It was supply limited, but not now. You can get an idea from this graph:
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It looks like we stopped being supply limited at the start of July, but we're now into the tricky bit of the rollout. Some will have decided not to get vaccinated, but others may just need more encouragement/reassurance, or better access etc.
From a hospitalisations/deaths perspective - it's the unvaxxed over 40s that are the worry. From an infection management perspective it's a matter of convincing as many people as possible that for their own sake and for the sake of people around them, getting vaccinated is a good thing. Wales has done over 90% of adults which is impressive by any standard - the rest of the UK may get there as well, sometime during the summer.
That's a good clear graph thanks. I guess the proportion of school age children that have had covid must be quite high too. We might not have turned the corner yet, just have lower testing, but we can't be far off, hopefully.
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Our friend here had his second jab this week - even with an appointment he was there for 4 hours! Must be the Green Pass effect, as seen in France.
I'm already 4 weeks post-double jab on AZ.
If I went to one of the walk-ins late in the day and asked for a Pfizer since I'm under 40, what do you reckon? I'm guessing a triple jab across different manufacturers will make me invulnerable. Might have to give a fake name, though.
Yep, you would need a fake name and to go to one of the special "no ID needed" walk ins - unless you do an identity theft on an unvaxxed friend/enemy who's registered with a GP (you need to know their full name, DoB, address, NHS number). You will also need to lie to the staff about previous jabs as well as about your name etc...
If successful, the odds are that you'll get some pretty miserable side-effects and will not become invulnerable
Thanks. Your post will play a prominent part in my origin story towards becoming a super villain.Yep, you would need a fake name and to go to one of the special "no ID needed" walk ins - unless you do an identity theft on an unvaxxed friend/enemy who's registered with a GP (you need to know their full name, DoB, address, NHS number). You will also need to lie to the staff about previous jabs as well as about your name etc...
If successful, the odds are that you'll get some pretty miserable side-effects and will not become invulnerable
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Had my 2nd moderna shot yesterday and had no problems at all until this morning. Right now my head is killing me. It's like lightning striking every couple of seconds. Struggling to put this together and can't even go through the motions of work. How long does this last?
It varies. It came on 12 hours after the jab for me and lasted about 8 hours, but for my wife it started a few hours later and she was out of action for 2 or 3 days. A friend who got it the same day as us felt like shit for over a week.
Mine lasts from 9am to 5pm with an hour break at 1pm.
Thanks! Still feel a bit under the weather but my head already feels a lot better than it did this morning. Hoping the pain doesn't come back.
That's sad.
What is it with the nut jobs and this virus? Had someone I know tell me how this is the first steps to becoming China. 
What is it with the nut jobs and this virus? Had someone I know tell me how this is the first steps to becoming China.
First time I've heard that one, at the moment they seem to think the human immune system can beat everything.
getting my second jab Friday week, it seems a bit quick, it'll only be 2 weeks and 5 days since the first.
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First time I've heard that one, at the moment they seem to think the human immune system can beat everything.
getting my second jab Friday week, it seems a bit quick, it'll only be 2 weeks and 5 days since the first.
How’d you manage that? I got mine in two weeks and had my first mid June.