Do you have to be an anti-vaxxer to not want mandatory, forced vaccinations?
Friendly v Preston called off due to suspected covid cases | None within first team group
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I followed the conversation up to your post which implied all players are not vaccinated, without any data, news articles or information to back that assertion up.
Going on a bit of a tangent, but If the players have all been vaccinated and there’s 9 that have it then that exemplifies even further how we gotta carry on with our lives otherwise this is going to happen forever
It's weird how people are creating such a divide in society over vaccinations. You don't want one or you don't want it to be mandatory, you want there to be some form of free will? You're an anti vaxxer, you're a covidiot.
From a few to now 9 players, certainly could have done without this before the PL starts.
Not great. Was curious but hopefully most or all of our players are vaxxed. Really shouldn't be having many covid issues this year (and we stayed clear of it last year really).
So you read the first post which implied that very thing and was the premise of the conversation, did you?
Yeah I wondered about this too. Given the many millions of pounds at stake, you would think the clubs would place a huge priority on vaccinating the squad members. On the other hand, maybe everyone is vaxxed, but these are breakthrough infections?
Just fecking perfect preparation for the new season. Cue dropping points in the first three games and the shit storm that will come with back to back poor performances.
Was already pretty concerned about our start to the season, this is really worrying me now. Our fixtures to start the season aren't too bad. If we end up dropping points in those early games I would have serious doubts about our chances of properly challenging for the title. Leeds is probably the worst opening game we could have with regards to poor fitness levels alone. They'll be one of the best teams that haven't really been impacted by the Euros or Copa.
Huge priority doesn't mean everyone gets it in time, and being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting covid and potentially passing it onwards.
We're two weeks, more or less, away from our opening match in the PL so the timing is shit
I'm surprised that not more teams having this problem. Whatnot with players coming back from everywhere.
We obviously don't know the makeup of the infections...how many of these 9 (so far) are playing staff etc.
That said, it would be a statistical anomaly to have 2 breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated playing staff (average age under 30, healthy, athletic...well maybe not Mata or Matic for that last one) never mind 9 of them.
The data shows that an overwhelmingly huge percentage of breakthrough infections come from the elderly and immunodeficient groups.
It's a lot more likely that they were unvaccinated. The Athletic said in June that only around 40% of PL players were vaccinated so far.
Also it seems like every Summer under Ole, our pre-season have always been a shamble/ poorly planned. Something need to change.
I don’t know why people are assuming the players are double jabbed. Private companies can’t offer covid vaccines (as far as I understand) and most of the group are at an age where they wouldn’t have hit 8 weeks gap if they got it as soon as eligible.
If they did manage to get vaccines elsewhere, it would open up a lot of issues with vaccine passports and potential quarantines for European games.
If they did manage to get vaccines elsewhere, it would open up a lot of issues with vaccine passports and potential quarantines for European games.
That’s the least of my concerns, clearly one is player safety but also whoever has it is out of group practice for two weeks
"being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting covid and potentially passing it onwards."
yeah that's what I meant by breakthrough infections.
in any case, agreed that the timing here is really shitty. i guess the only silver lining is that a lot of our players from the euros haven't joined up with the squad yet.
I guess I naturally expect the super wealthy to be able to find loopholes when its in their economic interest (and vaccinating asap would clearly be). That seems to unfortunately be the way of the world. But maybe you're right and the same limitations that applied to plebs also applied to the football clubs.
It's almost as if there's been some major external factor affecting global society for the past 18 months. No no it's definitely planning that's fecked up our pre-seasons.
At least de Gea, Lindelof, Bailly, Varane, Maguire, Pogba, Cavani, Rashford, Fred, Amad, Shaw and Sancho shouldn’t be at risk from this? And most of them can still train properly (hopefully) for two weeks before Leeds.
This is not good. Our first game will be against those fitness freak bielsa side and the timing of this is the worst thing.
Most of our big players aren't back yet so this predominantly the kids and squad players. As long as Bruno, AWB and Greenwood weren't among them (and considering the papers haven't said fhey are, it's probably safe to assume that they aren't) then we'll be fine.
Most of our international players have played in the last month or so, so should be fit and we still have 2 weeks to prepare for the Leeds match. We'll be fine, IMO
Most of our international players have played in the last month or so, so should be fit and we still have 2 weeks to prepare for the Leeds match. We'll be fine, IMO
Nah I'd say it's pretty similar to the general UK population vaccination rate for that age group, which at a guess would be pretty high. Even look in the NFL. They've got pretty good vaccination rates baring some random teams.
So our league game will be postponed? Like City had it last year?
The only bonus is most of our first teamers aren't even there?
Shaw, Maguire, Varane, DDG, Fred, Pogba, Sancho, Cavani
that's 3/4 of the team that hopefully won't be positive.
The biggest issue is many of these players are coming from holiday into the bubble - I suspect it's a recent holiday returner that might have carried it into the bubble?
Shaw, Maguire, Varane, DDG, Fred, Pogba, Sancho, Cavani
that's 3/4 of the team that hopefully won't be positive.
The biggest issue is many of these players are coming from holiday into the bubble - I suspect it's a recent holiday returner that might have carried it into the bubble?
Niiice
Any clue who the players might be?
Read an Athletic article recently that the UK government is trying to get as many players and staff vaccinated as possible before like October.
Most of the players should be back next Monday. That's around 2 weeks training.
Not sure why Manutd didnt vaccinate its staff and players? Almost all companies out there are offering it to their employees
I hope this is the case. After a very long time i am excited for next season. Dont want stuff like Covid ruining it.
This is not good at all. We are fecked here for our first two or three games.
The vaccine doesn't stop you getting Covid, it just lessens the symptoms
Well it doesn't stop you from getting covid but decreases the chances to around 30%
It's early days. It's not as if United are going to be the only team affected. Looks like most clubs will be impacted at some point to a lesser or larger degree. May be back to square one with the crowd numbers too.
The bad thing about this not only because players are tested positive but also because it affects players who are not tested positive. Majority our first team players are still on holiday, so the cancelation one of our pre-season match means it affects their preparation for our first league game vs Leeds. We know the last time when we only had 1 pre season match which last year and it wasn’t pretty how we started our season. If this happens during mid season, you would expect the match will be cancelled which is even for both teams.