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Realistically the available players are Neves, Saul, Camavinga, Bissouma. Bissouma was third/fourth of my favorites on this list but now Im thinking he is the best choice.

Saul is a risk because of his form last season plus why would Simone want to sell. He is anything but stupid. Feels like something is wrong. Plus does he actually want to play for us or is he just moving because he is not wanted. Plus high wages probably.

Neves is similar as his form dropped. He hasnt seemed to kick on. Why do Wolves want rid?

Id probably take Camavinga first but he doesnt look like United are his first option plus his age means he might be one for the future and we will have to continue with McFred for a few years until he establishes himself.

Bissouma is the only one that looks like he is a player on the verge of stepping up. He is prem proven, a good age (24) and looks like a player that will just slot in without any problems.
 

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We should be looking for the new Matic in Guimaraes, Camavinga or worst case, Rice.

Saul maybe for the right price. Bit of a gamble.
 

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cant help find this hilarious considering hes basically a squad player, cant start ahead of Fred and Scott, never had more then 3/4 good games on the trot in what 4/5 years he has been here but we need 2 players to replace him :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Are you talking about the same Paul Pogba? I must be watching the wrong Manchester United if he's a "squad player" behind Fred and McT.
 

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We should be looking for the new Matic in Guimaraes, Camavinga or worst case, Rice.

Saul maybe for the right price. Bit of a gamble.
Yeah would love Camavinga because badly need another transfer boost after our neighbours getting Grealish and knowing the fact money means absolutely nothing at all to them probably Kane as well
 

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What about Tchouaméni from Monaco as the DM? It looks like he could be a future star. I'm surprised we are not linked with him. I'd be interested in people's opinion who have seen he play not just on YouTube.
He's a brilliant young player and could well go on to become the next great DM in the game.

Tchouameni in a midfield with either Camavinga or Caqueret would be very good. Or if we were to go Dutch, then Ryan Gravenberch would be a good partner with Tchouameni.

What we shouldn't do is settle for mediocrity by signing players like Neves, but we should rather wait, if that's what it takes to sign the #1 target. Similar to how we signed Sancho.
 

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He's a brilliant young player and could well go on to become the next great DM in the game.

Tchouameni in a midfield with either Camavinga or Caqueret would be very good. Or if we were to go Dutch, then Ryan Gravenberch would be a good partner with Tchouameni.

What we shouldn't do is settle for mediocrity by signing players like Neves but rather wait, if that's what it takes to sign the #1 target. Similar to how we signed Sancho.
Yeah, but think we’re still gonna get a proper DM next year - Neves or Saul is more for the double pivot so we have 3 players to rotate and change depending on the opposition.
 

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Yeah, but think we’re still gonna get a proper DM next year - Neves or Saul is more for the double pivot so we have 3 players to rotate and change depending on the opposition.
Agreed. Neither Saul or Neves are DMs but if I was to choose one player to play as the DM in a high press, then I'd opt for Saul, due to his all round game being superior to Neves. Saul is tenacious, mobile and also a good defender which are important traits for a team that wants to implement a high pressure, high tempo, fast transition play style.

I'm hoping we will target Tchouameni for the DM role next season. Tchouameni&Haaland 2022.
 

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Agreed. Neither Saul or Neves are DMs but if I was to choose one player to play as the DM in a high press, then I'd opt for Saul, due to his all round game being superior to Neves. Saul is tenacious, mobile and also a good defender which are important traits for a team that wants to implement a high pressure, high tempo, fast transition play style.

I'm hoping we will target Tchouameni for the DM role next season. Tchouameni&Haaland 2022.
Could live with that but the lack of movement on outgoings is starting to really frustrate me
 

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He's a brilliant young player and could well go on to become the next great DM in the game.

Tchouameni in a midfield with either Camavinga or Caqueret would be very good. Or if we were to go Dutch, then Ryan Gravenberch would be a good partner with Tchouameni.

What we shouldn't do is settle for mediocrity by signing players like Neves, but we should rather wait, if that's what it takes to sign the #1 target. Similar to how we signed Sancho.
I'd agree with you that we shouldn't settle for mediocrity by signing players like Neves and Saul, neither player are able to hit the level we should demand.
Tchouameni and a talented playmaker would be a game changer for this team.
 

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I'd agree with you that we shouldn't settle for mediocrity by signing players like Neves and Saul, neither player are able to hit the level we should demand.
Tchouameni and a talented playmaker would be a game changer for this team.
There's plenty of potential options. And I agree we need a playmaker from a deeper role, but with the added bonus of also being mobile and press resistant. Camavinga or Caqueret etc could potentially be that player.
 

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There's plenty of potential options. And I agree we need a playmaker from a deeper role, but with the added bonus of also being mobile and press resistant. Camavinga or Caqueret etc could potentially be that player.
Yeah, potentially in a few years time.
 

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Yeah, potentially in a few years time.
In a few years they could be world class but right now they could contribute towards a rebuild that could see us win the title in a couple of years.
 

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Are you talking about the same Paul Pogba? I must be watching the wrong Manchester United if he's a "squad player" behind Fred and McT.
yeah he is, the biggest games he cant get a CM spot ahead of Fred and Mctomminay.
 

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I suspect we may have to pay 10m to Jones so he can go away rather than someone paying us a 5m fee.
If he stays fits, the best option would be to loan him out to a club like Newcastle, and give them a option to buy him at the end of the loan for around 3-4m euro of if anyone wants to take over his current contract, 2 years left with a salary of 100k/week. That would around the 5m, he has around 49 weeks left on his contract so 100*49=4.900.000, so of someone is willing to take the contract would be the best for all three parts. He is still only 29, feels like he should be closer to 39 to be honest, so if he can stay fit he can play for att least 3-4 more years for team like Newcastle and he is far from the player we once thought he would would become, and he will never again play for Man UTD in a game that matters anything, but he is still as good as any of the CBs playing last year for team like Burnley, Fulham or Brighton - and they seem to be able to sell their them for 60m euro plus bonuses to midtable clubs. Only difference is that the Brighton CB is like 5 years younger and stayed fit both when he had a good spell during his time in Leeds, not sure he was as good as the hype around him was or if it was the fact that many football fans wanted Leeds back in PL because the matches bearing Leeds is something you can't get enough of, of the fact that Leeds has a very sympathetic manager, or the fact that that the top teams (no matter division) is supposed to have some star players so media usually picks 1-3 and make huge hype around them (the 60m euro Brighton defender, Kalvin Phillips and Bamford) to have something or someone to write about to sell newspaper. Last year Bamford had some great games, like the one against Liverpool, and Kalvin Phillips who is a decent player and should stay in Leeds.

Point is, Jones can replace the CB from from Brighton who is obviously worth 20m more then then the french dude (forgot his name now since we are talking about the future of English football - BEN WHITE) with only over 300 appearances for one the top 3 biggest clubs in the world where he won 18 major honours, including three La Liga titles, one Copa del Rey title, four UEFA Champions League titles and four FIFA Club World Cup title and the world club 2018.

The English "tax" you pay for players, as we did for Maguire is starting to get ridiculous, even if Varane is 4 years older and had one year left on his contract you can't say Arsenal and good business after Wenger left is something they can be proud of. Pepe for 85m euros, the guy scored 10 goals (4 in the 2 last games against the weakest teams in the PL). The season before that he they blamed his even worse season in him getting used to Arsenal, England and PLz which i can accept, but look at Bruno that we bought for 30m less and we should not even compare stats or their impact on their teams. Arsenal have spent more on Pepe and White then we did on Sancho and Varane, that is INSANE. Also Aubameyang stopped playing football or even care after he signed the biggest contract in Arsenals history at a age of 31 years, they knew he would loose 60% of his game as soon as soon as he starts to lose his pace, and players with his body type and fitness are built to sprint and when they start loosing the pace, it goes downhill very fast faster then his pace. I still have a feeling they couldn't afford loosing him, not for his football abilities but because they knew that he is the only big name left (and he did play really good for about 12-18 months) in the squad and what type of signal it would send out to all potential signings. He is somewhere around 375k and was paid less then 15% of that during his prime years in Dortmund. He earned 45k, 45k, 55k and 75k (averaging 55k/week) his last 4 years in years in Germany and was considered as on the best goalscoreses in Europe. Arsenal are also paying Thomas around 250k, Lacazette 180k, Willian 195k, Luiz had 160k last year And Pepe on around 170k. With those salary you would hope a clube performs better they did last year and to be honest i don't think they will improve at all, and if they don't, Saka will leave asap, probably to Liverpool as soon as they decide the sell Sane or Salah. Not to sure it was the best move to first not sell the club to Daniel Ek, who really promised to bring in good players and "make Arsenal great again* Then to invest almost 150m in first a guy who had one good season in the Ligue 1, then in a CB who has one good season in the Championships where his team was so dominant in 90 of the games he played in and one season in Brighton where he would never be valued 60m euros if he didn't have the Leeds season fresh in everybodys minds. Maybe 5 good and proven €30-35m players would make more of an impact by getting them at last back to top 6 then going all in on 2 very expensive not yet proven to be worthy those fees. I mean even if White will make awesome season, i don't see how it will change much for them. Him alone won't stop the attacking power we, Chelsea, Liverpool, City have built up, so the difference he will offer is whatever they will loose 3/4-0 o 2/3-0, that's how I see it.
 

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There's plenty of potential options. And I agree we need a playmaker from a deeper role, but with the added bonus of also being mobile and press resistant. Camavinga or Caqueret etc could potentially be that player.
Caqueret really caught my eye while watching his cameo against the netherlands in the u21 EC earlier this summer.

He really struck me as the type of Modric-esque player we desperately need in our midfield. Wins the ball well but he can also use it.


Will be interesting to see Lyon next season if the likes of Guimaraes, Caqueret and Aouar all remain with a manager like Peter Bosz at the helm.
 

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Caqueret really caught my eye while watching his cameo against the netherlands in the u21 EC earlier this summer.

He really struck me as the type of Modric-esque player we desperately need in our midfield. Wins the ball well but he can also use it.


Will be interesting to see Lyon next season if the likes of Guimaraes, Caqueret and Aouar all remain with a manager like Peter Bosz at the helm.
He looks a brilliant young metronome in the making and his contract expires in 2023.
 

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I'd prefer caqueret over camavinga from the little I've seen of both.

One seems like a player going to be an improvement on the style of Fred and the other is more of a player of style that we lack in the squad.
 

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I'd prefer caqueret over camavinga from the little I've seen of both.

One seems like a player going to be an improvement on the style of Fred and the other is more of a player of style that we lack in the squad.
Haven't seen this Caqueret play. Is he really good enough for here.
 

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A DLP player is a must, has been since a couple of seasons, prime Martic would've been perfect, but his legs are gone, not sure who else in his mold is available right now.
If Pogba leaves we will need a creative #8, I'd take Yuri Tielemans in a heartbeat, or Goretzka if he really is available, not too sold on Neves and Saul, but they'd also be upgrades on McFred.

Camavinga we should buy because he looks like a top talent. Wouldn't mind if we get him instead of any of the above two players.
 

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Camavinga we should buy because he looks like a top talent. Wouldn't mind if we get him instead of any of the above two players.
Reading between the lines of various reports, I do get the feeling that United would love to recruit Camavinga, but Camavinga is in no hurry to make a big decision, and is prepared to wait until he is a free agent, and has his choice of every major club in Europe.
For United to sign him now seems unrealistic, but I do wonder if we are hanging on to see if the situation opens up an opportunity before committing ourselves to Neves/Niguez.

Maybe, we are even prepared for another season of McFred...?
 

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I kind of don't get this desperate need for a deep lying playmaker that alot of others have. Sure, I'd have one if there was one exquisite and available- but I don't think there is.

What we need is a replacement for Matic's defensive ability and his ability to hold and play more CM's next to him rather than having 2 defensive minded players stuck in a double pivot all the time.
 

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Caqueret reminds me of Verratti but I think his size might put Ole and co off. At this point it looks like it'll be Saul or Camavinga imo, if we get one. The Neves link has always been faint and he has 3 years left on his deal, where as Rennes want to sell Camavinga so he can't go for free next summer, and Atletico want to sell Saul by most accounts.
 

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If he stays fits, the best option would be to loan him out to a club like Newcastle, and give them a option to buy him at the end of the loan for around 3-4m euro of if anyone wants to take over his current contract, 2 years left with a salary of 100k/week. That would around the 5m, he has around 49 weeks left on his contract so 100*49=4.900.000, so of someone is willing to take the contract would be the best for all three parts. He is still only 29, feels like he should be closer to 39 to be honest, so if he can stay fit he can play for att least 3-4 more years for team like Newcastle and he is far from the player we once thought he would would become, and he will never again play for Man UTD in a game that matters anything, but he is still as good as any of the CBs playing last year for team like Burnley, Fulham or Brighton - and they seem to be able to sell their them for 60m euro plus bonuses to midtable clubs. Only difference is that the Brighton CB is like 5 years younger and stayed fit both when he had a good spell during his time in Leeds, not sure he was as good as the hype around him was or if it was the fact that many football fans wanted Leeds back in PL because the matches bearing Leeds is something you can't get enough of, of the fact that Leeds has a very sympathetic manager, or the fact that that the top teams (no matter division) is supposed to have some star players so media usually picks 1-3 and make huge hype around them (the 60m euro Brighton defender, Kalvin Phillips and Bamford) to have something or someone to write about to sell newspaper. Last year Bamford had some great games, like the one against Liverpool, and Kalvin Phillips who is a decent player and should stay in Leeds.

Point is, Jones can replace the CB from from Brighton who is obviously worth 20m more then then the french dude (forgot his name now since we are talking about the future of English football - BEN WHITE) with only over 300 appearances for one the top 3 biggest clubs in the world where he won 18 major honours, including three La Liga titles, one Copa del Rey title, four UEFA Champions League titles and four FIFA Club World Cup title and the world club 2018.

The English "tax" you pay for players, as we did for Maguire is starting to get ridiculous, even if Varane is 4 years older and had one year left on his contract you can't say Arsenal and good business after Wenger left is something they can be proud of. Pepe for 85m euros, the guy scored 10 goals (4 in the 2 last games against the weakest teams in the PL). The season before that he they blamed his even worse season in him getting used to Arsenal, England and PLz which i can accept, but look at Bruno that we bought for 30m less and we should not even compare stats or their impact on their teams. Arsenal have spent more on Pepe and White then we did on Sancho and Varane, that is INSANE. Also Aubameyang stopped playing football or even care after he signed the biggest contract in Arsenals history at a age of 31 years, they knew he would loose 60% of his game as soon as soon as he starts to lose his pace, and players with his body type and fitness are built to sprint and when they start loosing the pace, it goes downhill very fast faster then his pace. I still have a feeling they couldn't afford loosing him, not for his football abilities but because they knew that he is the only big name left (and he did play really good for about 12-18 months) in the squad and what type of signal it would send out to all potential signings. He is somewhere around 375k and was paid less then 15% of that during his prime years in Dortmund. He earned 45k, 45k, 55k and 75k (averaging 55k/week) his last 4 years in years in Germany and was considered as on the best goalscoreses in Europe. Arsenal are also paying Thomas around 250k, Lacazette 180k, Willian 195k, Luiz had 160k last year And Pepe on around 170k. With those salary you would hope a clube performs better they did last year and to be honest i don't think they will improve at all, and if they don't, Saka will leave asap, probably to Liverpool as soon as they decide the sell Sane or Salah. Not to sure it was the best move to first not sell the club to Daniel Ek, who really promised to bring in good players and "make Arsenal great again* Then to invest almost 150m in first a guy who had one good season in the Ligue 1, then in a CB who has one good season in the Championships where his team was so dominant in 90 of the games he played in and one season in Brighton where he would never be valued 60m euros if he didn't have the Leeds season fresh in everybodys minds. Maybe 5 good and proven €30-35m players would make more of an impact by getting them at last back to top 6 then going all in on 2 very expensive not yet proven to be worthy those fees. I mean even if White will make awesome season, i don't see how it will change much for them. Him alone won't stop the attacking power we, Chelsea, Liverpool, City have built up, so the difference he will offer is whatever they will loose 3/4-0 o 2/3-0, that's how I see it.
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From a lot of accounts in Italy, Inter are going to be having a firesale this summer which is the reason Conte quit after winning the league.

If that's the case, would be shrewd of us to put a decent bid in for Barella, he's got the tools to be one of the premier world class box-to-box midfielders in the Europe. He's like a younger Kante with stronger on ball ability
 
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From a lot of accounts in Italy, Inter are going to be having a firesale this summer which is the reason Conte quit after winning the league.

If that's the case, would be shred of us to put a decent bid in for Barella, he's got the tools to be one of the premier world class box-to-box midfielders in the Europe. He's like a younger Kante with stronger on ball ability
I came here to say something similar. Not on Kante's level defensively but he's an exceptional player.
 

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I kind of don't get this desperate need for a deep lying playmaker that alot of others have. Sure, I'd have one if there was one exquisite and available- but I don't think there is.

What we need is a replacement for Matic's defensive ability and his ability to hold and play more CM's next to him rather than having 2 defensive minded players stuck in a double pivot all the time.
Think the point is some defensive minded players are also deep lying playmakers.
 

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Cafe is crap at scouting. I’m a part of Cafe, so I wont pretend I know much. I will be happy with any midfielder Ole buys. He is good at picking players.
 

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We should get a 40-50 million wedge from Lukaku once Chelsea buy him. This is a roundabout sale and this could go towards a DM. We all saw today how good the ball was moved with VDB and Matic. Look at the difference between the first half and second. Someone younger with VDB and the right skillset like a younger Matic is what we need this season. Pogba and McFred have shown they aint the answer.
 

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We should get a 40-50 million wedge from Lukaku once Chelsea buy him. This is a roundabout sale and this could go towards a DM. We all saw today how good the ball was moved with VDB and Matic. Look at the difference between the first half and second. Someone younger with VDB and the right skillset like a younger Matic is what we need this season. Pogba and McFred have shown they aint the answer.
Erm what?

Try 4-5 million.

If you mean cash Inter still owe us, that doesn't mean we get to just spend it like it's completely new income. We're not going to have a £150+ million net spend during covid transfer window.
 

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We should get a 40-50 million wedge from Lukaku once Chelsea buy him. This is a roundabout sale and this could go towards a DM. We all saw today how good the ball was moved with VDB and Matic. Look at the difference between the first half and second. Someone younger with VDB and the right skillset like a younger Matic is what we need this season. Pogba and McFred have shown they aint the answer.
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We should get a 40-50 million wedge from Lukaku once Chelsea buy him. This is a roundabout sale and this could go towards a DM. We all saw today how good the ball was moved with VDB and Matic. Look at the difference between the first half and second. Someone younger with VDB and the right skillset like a younger Matic is what we need this season. Pogba and McFred have shown they aint the answer.
We sold Lukaku two years ago, that money has likely already been put towards other deals long ago. We haven't just ignored the guaranteed Lukaku income in our accounts up to now.

I came here to say something similar. Not on Kante's level defensively but he's an exceptional player.
Barella is not the kind of midfielder we need, we already have enough offensive minded midfielders at the club. We need someone who will sit and protect and control the tempo.
 

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Barella is not the kind of midfielder we need, we already have enough offensive minded midfielders at the club. We need someone who will sit and protect and control the tempo.
I agree but we're going to have to replace Pogba next season and if Barella is available, he'd be ideal in a midfield 3. There aren't many players capable of positional discipline and dictating tempo. I'd love to go after De Jong but I just don't see Barca selling. Perhaps Garner can develop into the player that we need but right now, there aren't many of that type of player in world football. Who would you want?
 

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I agree but we're going to have to replace Pogba next season and if Barella is available, he'd be ideal in a midfield 3. There aren't many players capable of positional discipline and dictating tempo. I'd love to go after De Jong but I just don't see Barca selling. Perhaps Garner can develop into the player that we need but right now, there aren't many of that type of player in world football. Who would you want?
Like you said it's hard to find that kind of player, I would like Locatelli but he will probably stay in Italy. Maybe Bruno Guimaraes or Florian Neuhaus could be a good option for us.
 

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What type of midfielder would you all describe neves as? Is he a deep lying playmaker? If so then I’d definitely be signing him, someone who can sit in and actually make decent passes going forward. I wouldn’t imagine he’d cost to much aswell and him and Bruno would play quality together. He’s also premier league proven which is a big plus, the only question would be wether he can handle a bigger club, I’ve seen a lot of people say that he’d relish being in a team who dominates possession which is what we do against the lesser team.
 

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Seems Ole is trying to make VDB into a deep lying playmaker, so they might save the money for Rice next year...
 

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I think United should try their best to get Billy Gilmour out of Chelsea