Barca and Real are parasite clubs anyway that football would be better off with them disappearing for a few years. Their financial situations are a result of their awful behaviour.
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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Lots of get Frenkie mentions but I think he's mentioned he doesn't like the PL.
That's precisely what I mean. The club's handling of all contracts, all acquisitions, with all amortisation accounted for is telling of a much broader issue; namely, that they likely gambled down the line that the ESL would come to fruition and cover them for the irresponsible expenditure in the present. Dembele for 105m plus 40 in add-ons. You've got the insane Coutinho deal of 150m. Then Griezmann; and all of them are on significant salaries. Dembele on something like 230k a week.
very true
I’m sure he doesn’t like playing for a financially fecked team too
Wow, laporta wasn't bluffing re his latest tweet. Messi is gone then. Messi at PSG then with neymar and mbappe. Damn.
Let's see those calculations eh...? Very much doubt they'll be able to register any of them without selling players and drastic salary cuts being accepted by a large proportion of the squad.
That's true but I think when you're are that much in debt you get the big earners to go, people may say oh no one wants to buy Griezmann or Coutinho or Dembele but just get rid, 20m each. Get them out.
Madrid's financial situation is healthy, definitely not as good as the oil/state clubs with their unlimited money, but still one of the best among proper clubs.
It's only Barca who are in shambles.
How different, things are in the Prem to la liga.
1 team is buying a player for £100 million that's not even in Messi's class, the other is £400 odd million in Debt? Wow how can there be such a gulf , between the 2 clubs , After this pandemic .?
1 team is buying a player for £100 million that's not even in Messi's class, the other is £400 odd million in Debt? Wow how can there be such a gulf , between the 2 clubs , After this pandemic .?
Christ, their recruitment has been appalling. Spent over £800m between June 2017 and August 2019.
Coutinho: £121M
Dembele: £121m
Paulinho: £36m
Semedo: £32m
Malcom: £36m
Deulofeu: £10m
Arthur: £27m
Vidal: £16m
Lenglet: £32m
Griezmann: £108m
Frenkie de Jong: £77m
Neto: £23m
Braithwaite: £16m
Pedri: £18m
This isn't all of them, but the money they've spent on some of these players is insane. How many have actually been successful there. Pedri? Frenkie de Jong is a great, promising player, but has he set the world alight there? Don't think so. Some shocking business.
Coutinho: £121M
Dembele: £121m
Paulinho: £36m
Semedo: £32m
Malcom: £36m
Deulofeu: £10m
Arthur: £27m
Vidal: £16m
Lenglet: £32m
Griezmann: £108m
Frenkie de Jong: £77m
Neto: £23m
Braithwaite: £16m
Pedri: £18m
This isn't all of them, but the money they've spent on some of these players is insane. How many have actually been successful there. Pedri? Frenkie de Jong is a great, promising player, but has he set the world alight there? Don't think so. Some shocking business.
Their financial situations are radically different.
I mean, even Tebas who is far from being Florentino's biggest fan, talked about this some weeks ago:
The small signings aren't too bad, the big ones could make even Woody cry though. Amazing they got all three 100m+ signings wrong. Someone should've gone to jail for that.
Pedri, Arthur, vidal and de Jong have been good value. The rest not so much.
Shocking return on the 370m they spent on Dembele, Coutinho and Griezmann.
Remember they borrowed the money for Griezmann as well. From a case study pov, essays will be written about their lack of financial control. Alarm bells should have been ringing for years.
What an ignorant post.
Shame Real Madrid are saving every penny for Mbappe. It would be hilarious to see Barcelona's greatest ever player sign for Madrid. The fallout would be nuclear.
Florentino and Laporta are allies on the “Superleague” fiasco and the thing with the American vulture fund buying into La Liga. They’ll play nice with each other for a while.
487 million in the red this year. What a epic bit of mismanagement and cover up. If Laporta doesn’t bring charges against the previous board, he’s not doing his job right.
He is not on the same level of Messi,Maradona o Pele.
But he is definitely best 4th-5th players in History of Football...nothing to be ashamed of.
Of all the legendaries Cruyff and Messi were probably the ones who were more humble, and lived a proper family life...i mean we know Pele and Maradona were not precisely role model outside of the pitch.
Influential does not mean best.
So with Messi leaving they still need to cut €117m.
Loaning Griezmann, Coutinho and Roberto (and continuing to pay a chunk of their salary) would save them ~30m.
Lenglet and Braithwait are on reasonable enough salaries that they would accept a contract termination. ~12m in wages saved.
Sell De Jong for 65M+ (-10m in wages) and they're pretty much there.
Depay Aguero Fati
Pedri Busquets Pjanic
Alba Garcia Araujo Mingueza
Ter Stegen
Neto, Dest, Umtiti, Pique, Puig, Dembele
They'll scrape top 4.
Loaning Griezmann, Coutinho and Roberto (and continuing to pay a chunk of their salary) would save them ~30m.
Lenglet and Braithwait are on reasonable enough salaries that they would accept a contract termination. ~12m in wages saved.
Sell De Jong for 65M+ (-10m in wages) and they're pretty much there.
Depay Aguero Fati
Pedri Busquets Pjanic
Alba Garcia Araujo Mingueza
Ter Stegen
Neto, Dest, Umtiti, Pique, Puig, Dembele
They'll scrape top 4.
Having a better manager would help too.
It's bonkers isn't it?
There has been talk of them being skint for ages, and they still went ahead with crazy signings like Coutinho and Griezmann.
Their management have been borderline criminal, this could take Barca decades to recover.
How the hell did they pay 121 for Coutinho and 121 for Dembele...
I get paying 108 for Griezmann as he was a fresh WC winner and was class back then in La Liga, but Coutinho wasn't even the best player from Liverpool and Dembele literally had only one good season in Dortmund, you can say Dembele was a promise but is still only one good season, and not even in Spain.
WTF
Koeman did OK last season given the circumstances. Messi and Griezmann were dreadful when he started the job. Results will always be up and down if you have young, inexperienced players and a few over the hill ones.
Spare a though for Aguero, went there for Messi
That forced Neymar sale really did a number on Barca. It basically sent them insane and drove them to destroy their own club in a jealous ego-driven panic.
At least now whenever someone remarks that they don’t care about an unjustifiably high transfer fee United are linked with because “it’s not my money,” we can point to the example of Barca.
At least now whenever someone remarks that they don’t care about an unjustifiably high transfer fee United are linked with because “it’s not my money,” we can point to the example of Barca.
You can look at all the big prices there, the shocking one for me is 23m for Neto, when you have ter stagen, the back up should cost no more than 6m but trying for a free, he’ll be sitting for most of the season.
Was there anybody who didn't see that coming? Griezmann maybe, off the back of the World Cup and he was already performing in La Liga. But the other two were obviously nowhere near good enough to justify the price tags.
I've thought for years Barcelona were going to make our post SAF transition look like a walk in the park when Messi goes. Looking at that transfer list really hammers it home, and they're making it even worse this summer.
It is being reported that Ageuro is to sue Barcelona as he signed in the belief he would be playing alongside his friend Messi and not Memphis Depay.
However, it is unlikely that was in the small print, so basically, tough.
Wijnaldum made the right decision... saw the mess at Barca and just walked away.
That's standard practice actually
The issue for them comes from the fact that year in year out they'd become increasingly reliant on profit off sales to avoid losses, so the moment their revenue plummeted, they were screwed.
The CVC deal the way it's been explained would not have allowed them to resign Messi by itself, but it would have certainly made it easier
I still don't get what Tebas is saying about that whole "increase value for everyone". How? Anybody who can explain?
Man it's amazing that in just four years, they managed to part ways with Neymar, Suarez and Messi
I'm aware that Neymar wanted to leave, but he was contracted to them, and they were under no obligation to sell
In Suarez's case, Koeman messed up badly. A new manager shouldn't have the power to just wash away one of the club's greatest ever players like that.
It's just unbelievable to think that Messi is not a Barcelona player. But the overall mismanagement of the club has led to that...
Maybe they don't need a rebuild. Maybe they will win the league next season. But if what happened to United when Ferguson left is any indication, Barça will have a tough time ahead.
I'm aware that Neymar wanted to leave, but he was contracted to them, and they were under no obligation to sell
In Suarez's case, Koeman messed up badly. A new manager shouldn't have the power to just wash away one of the club's greatest ever players like that.
It's just unbelievable to think that Messi is not a Barcelona player. But the overall mismanagement of the club has led to that...
Maybe they don't need a rebuild. Maybe they will win the league next season. But if what happened to United when Ferguson left is any indication, Barça will have a tough time ahead.
"Barça gave the ok to la liga project with CVC. In the last weeks they had up to seven meetings.
Barça even asked to advance the assembly to approve everything".
Tebas:
"That's right, 72 hours ago Laporta perfectly explained the operation to me, as they were joint accounts and gave his support. what happened? At Barça there is an executive who talks a lot with ...
In the Super League you did have to guarantee 500 million with TV rights"
Barça even asked to advance the assembly to approve everything".
Tebas:
"That's right, 72 hours ago Laporta perfectly explained the operation to me, as they were joint accounts and gave his support. what happened? At Barça there is an executive who talks a lot with ...
In the Super League you did have to guarantee 500 million with TV rights"
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He isn't registered though officially as yet though?
Maybe he could just leave the club for that reason.
They won't. Bayern Munich occasionally win the CL
Didn't PSG trigger his release clause of 200m something?
Great great news all of this
I used to know a guy who was Brazilian/Swedish but lived in the states. He supported United, then started supporting City because Tevez was his favourite player.
edit: he didn’t know city existed until tevez went there
These are the fans Messi attracts. It’s fecked up but some countries love the superstars instead of the team