Lionel Messi \ Signs for PSG

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Well Messi could offer to pay Barca 200k week to play and they couldn't register him. He's a free agent this summer and needs to be resigned by the club but they can't until they reduce their wage bill. Without Messi it's 95% of their current revenue.
even he play for free, Barcelona still can't register for him due to the wage bill. The whole team need to takes a wage cut.. not just Messi only.
 

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Sooo, what's happening with Aguero now? Presumably, he went there to play with Messi, and obviously, that ain't happening. Also, has he officially been registered yet? Considering they're having this problem with their wage bill. Same with Depay
He might be calling PSG, "Can you guys take me in as well?"
 

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"Mes que un club" is about catalanism, it's entirely political and has little to do with football or Barcelona within football.
You can also see it more as a overarching slogan to enhance the familial values of the club. I think in the 2020s its more like that, rather than what the slogan initially meant in the 1900s.

Anyway like I said, even if it was political I would not expect Messi to buy wholly into that part of the ethos as he is not Catalan.
 

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This was the point though. He was going to go and play in the US after two seasons but continue with his Barca contract so he would get all his usual wages for the two seasons eventually. All the reports are that he’s getting a two year contract with PSG before going to the US (where he’s going to be getting paid a mid boggling shit ton). This has been his plan for a while. Why would he sign a 5 year deal with Barca and then leave before he gets most of the money?
 
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Yes but that's part of their history since 1904. History isn't limited to just being successful and the 50 following years are also part of the history of the club. We don't really consider that only clubs that have won a lot since the beginning of times have history?
The "History" section on the official club website starts with their formation in 1970, so it seems even the club themselves don't really consider anything prior to be relevant.

50 year old club, started by businessmen and owned by oil for a 5th of the clubs existence seems pretty accurate to me.
 

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Lead by example how? He cannot be registered what so ever.
He offers to forgo his salary for a year, which inspires Griezmann, Coutinho, Dembele and co to take a massive pay cut. He's not banned by the league.
 

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Success shouldn't be dependent on how many fans you have.

If you bring through youth, are very prudent with transfers, you deserve a shot at glory without being asset stripped by big clubs.

Here in the states, big teams like the Knicks and Cowboys have not been able to win for decades because of stupid management, while small teams win all the time. I get the different dynamics of the sports and markets and what not but that is what sport should be about. It shouldn't be about traditional big clubs having a virtual oligopoly. It shouldn't be about oil clubs buying their way to the top. My issue is that many fans close their eye to one issue (because they benefit from it) while attacking the other. If both can't fall let both stand then, is my stance
I’m not saying it should be, I’m saying it should be sustainable within the context of your sport and a fan base is a somewhat reasonable measure of that (but of course not exclusive). I wouldn’t enjoy it if Saudi Arabia bought Burton Albion and they won 5 PL in a row. Then Bezos buys Cambridge and they do the same. Then the CCP bought Forrest Green and they did the same. Etc. What Leicester did was amazing. What about Bournemouth did was amazing.
 

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That's totally not the point. Messi at this point don't need the money, he has plenty.
But you never work for free in a job. Certainly not when you are the one largely contributing to massive amount of revenue for your employer.
My point is that this should be a bit of an exception because the employer in this case has always done everything to keep him happy. The Martino hiring, getting rid of Ibra when they fell out, huge contracts as demanded are a few things that come to mind. I guess we'll never know but I would like to think that a Giggs or a Scholes would have done everything possible to stay including playing for free if United were in Barca's place (god forbid).
 
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He offers to forgo his salary for a year, which inspires Griezmann, Coutinho, Dembele and co to take a massive pay cut. He's not banned by the league.
Delusional. Barcelona's management have come back to haunt them. Think these wankers are going to take massive pay cut because their club decided to pay them more than they could actually afford?
 

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The "History" section on the official club website starts with their formation in 1970, so it seems even the club themselves don't really consider anything prior to be relevant.

50 year old club, started by businessmen and owned by oil for a 5th of the clubs existence seems pretty accurate to me.
And they have actually been criticized for it. But regardless as I already told you if you want to only consider the post merger which isn't a problem, 50 years of history is enough or do we only consider a club to have history if he is at least 100 years old?
 

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He offers to forgo his salary for a year, which inspires Griezmann, Coutinho, Dembele and co to take a massive pay cut. He's not banned by the league.
Like feck that's gonna happen :lol:

To be fair, if everybody agreed to play for free except Messi, then I would be more inclined to call him greedy.
 

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My point is that this should be a bit of an exception because the employer in this case has always done everything to keep him happy. The Martino hiring, getting rid of Ibra when they fell out, huge contracts as demanded are a few things that come to mind. I guess we'll never know but I would like to think that a Giggs or a Scholes would have done everything possible to stay including playing for free if United were in Barca's place (god forbid).
I highly doubt that Giggs or Scholes would play for free even under Fergie and certainly not after Fergie. Even Ferdinand thought about leaving when United weren't winning. You guys have no idea how elite celebrity footballers think.
 

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And they have actually been criticized for it. But regardless as I already told you if you want to only consider the post merger which isn't a problem, 50 years of history is enough or do we only consider a club to have history if he is at least 100 years old?
Well the context was that PSG are a "real club with a history" in comparison to somewhere like City, they're not, in fact they're quite the opposite, they're the ultimate plastic club.

Oh, here's a photographic exhibition from the official website honouring their 50 year history https://en.psg.fr/teams/club/conten...-germain-this-major-club-in-the-city-of-light

The 50 year history isn't a problem in and of itself, more how and why the club was formed and the fact that its been an oil club for a 5th of that.
 

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Imagine being able to play for almost any club in the world and choosing psg. Greed is fecking disgusting, all for some money that he’ll never even spend.
 

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Says a lot about him. Not surprised at all though
Would it be different if he joined City? He's been critized for not leaving Barcelona and now he's leaving Barcelona to go to the best option for someone of his age and calibre.
 

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My point is that this should be a bit of an exception because the employer in this case has always done everything to keep him happy. The Martino hiring, getting rid of Ibra when they fell out, huge contracts as demanded are a few things that come to mind. I guess we'll never know but I would like to think that a Giggs or a Scholes would have done everything possible to stay including playing for free if United were in Barca's place (god forbid).
There is absolutely nothing to base this on besides your own fan fiction and using said fan fiction as a stick to beat Messi with :lol:
 

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Sooo, what's happening with Aguero now? Presumably, he went there to play with Messi, and obviously, that ain't happening. Also, has he officially been registered yet? Considering they're having this problem with their wage bill. Same with Depay
The way people are talking about Messi being unable to be registered, he can't play either.

I personally think they'll sort something out and he'll play. I suspect this "Messi can't be re-signed" is just spin to save face.

I guess we'll see. If Memphis or Aguero play for Barca then we'll know this wall all horseshit.
 

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even he play for free, Barcelona still can't register for him due to the wage bill. The whole team need to takes a wage cut.. not just Messi only.
You need to read again I didn't type Barca paying Messi 200k, I said even if Messi paid Barca 200k out of his own pocket to play he couldn't register, I went further than suggestions of him playing for free or a small wage to Messi actually paying Barca for exaggerated effect that you've missed. You're just repeating the points in my post.
 

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Please, please, please stop suggesting Messi should just reduce his salary, of even play for free. Laporta just now on the press conference:
https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Sd3DWZZcRgY

the sports payroll represents 110% of the club's income. This means we have no margin and the rules of La Liga go through financial fair play. The numbers are much worse than officially said
Without Messi, the wage bill is 95% compared to the club's income
The football industry recommends a wage bill between 65% and 70% of the Club's in income. Now, it is 95%. The problem is not only wages but also the very high amortizations.
They need to offload Coutinho, Umtiti, Roberto and other deadweight, or else they cant register their new signings. This is not about Messi and his salary. They cant even sign him if he offered to play for free.
 

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Here we go again :lol: he's about to win the balon d'or, not walking around with a zimmer frame
Yeah but he's not far and away the best player anymore and will most likely decline from here on. Frankly a 2 year contract with PSG is a great retirement option for his European career.
 

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Well the context was that PSG are a "real club with a history" in comparison to somewhere like City, they're not, in fact they're quite the opposite, they're the ultimate plastic club.

Oh, here's a photographic exhibition from the official website honouring their 50 year history https://en.psg.fr/teams/club/conten...-germain-this-major-club-in-the-city-of-light

The 50 year history isn't a problem in and of itself, more how and why the club was formed and the fact that its been an oil club for a 5th of that.
I see. So it's not a real football club that isn't the fruit of the merger from a football club and the fact that businessmen were involved at some p

I see. I typically disagree with that idea, a club that comes from amateur football and hasn't been created literally yesterday is for me a real club. I don't really suscribe to the idea of plastic clubs, I find it a bit crass. I also obviously disagree with any idea that involvement of businessmen in the history of a club is a problem because almost none of the top clubs have been developed without businessmen and crucial funding from them whether it happend 70 years or 10 years ago.
 

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Please, please, please stop suggesting Messi should just reduce his salary, of even play for free. Laporta just now on the press conference:
https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Sd3DWZZcRgY


They need to offload Coutinho, Umtiti, Roberto and other deadweight, or else they cant register their new signings. This is not about Messi and his salary. They cant even sign him if he offered to play for free.

So, in reality they never had any chance of signing Messi on another contract.
 

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Preferably one of the top 4 leagues in Europe.
What about what Messi wants? I remember Ferdinand being asked in a interview a few years ago, that if he was a footballer now and could choose any club he'd choose PSG because they have Neymar and Mbappe.
 
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