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In an exceptional circumstance, I said they might have played for free in the short term if it helped the club recover financially. Like the del piero example which was an exceptional circumstance and a player who you didn't expect to play in Serie B played there till they got promoted i.e things got better. Again this was a player who'd been with them for 15+ years at that point.
You seem certain that nobody would play for free. So I'll take your word for it. Hate on rich people? Where on earth do you get that from? And mentioning Giggs as a passing footballing example doesn't mean that he's admired after some of the things he's done. Nice work sensationalizing what I said though.
Fair play that his teammates all came to his farewell press conference
Whereas, i think what should be stuck to the top of every page is: you milk a dry udder you get kicked off the stool, oiled udders have no stool, for now...
Yeah I understand that. I still feel it's a funny old situation where he was happy to leave to this in 12 months.
Just so you're fully aware, I've never said nor do I feel, he should play for free. I haven't even spoken about money or wages at all.
He was happy to leave when Bartomeu was around and possibly staying for a while. And he is sad to leave now that the candidate he supported won the snap elections.
Thats technically true but it’s their own doing, they’ve flooded even more shite into their squad and wage bill this summer whilst having deadwood all over the place. The number one priority should have been getting their best ever player signed to a new deal not giving big contracts to fecking Memphis and a past it Aguero.
Nobody is saying he should be the only one to act like finance saviour. I repeat what I’ve said. They should offer current players paycuts, deals or release them. It would not be the first time clubs do this do manage financial situations.
They can't release the players without paying them and no one in his right mind would leave that much money on the table, not when Barcelona are the club that generated the highest revenues in 2020 according to Deloitte.
My dear, this storm has been gathering for years, it’s not a one day or one year mess. You think Messi wasn’t aware of that the previous few years?
In the end of the day, when your income is 100 and you keep giving away one of your son over the odds on his demands, your house is going to go down.
Bartomeu might just be my goat for what he did to Barca. Fantastic work
Madrid building a statue as we speak
Yes, thank you.
I really struggle to believe you when you say that you understand how economics, contracts and capitalism works.
since this thread has a bunch of posts about how people should work for free if they really love something, I volunteer to work for free on a Bartomeu statue outside Old Trafford. Dickheads took two CL’s from us.
I’ll be stopping by Barca’s funeral just to make sure they are dead. Rest in pieces.
You speak as if they only overpaid Messi and that’s why they are in this mess. It wasn’t the fault of only paying Messi. They paid more €100m for Dembele and Coutinho. Not to mention their wages on top of that. They are paying De Jong €400k per week and Griezmann €800k per week. Is it Messi’s fault that his teammates were paid that much?
How exactly will Messi know the financial situation of Barca? He isn’t going to sit there and analyze their accounts. He asked for the money and they paid him. This is just mismanagement from Barca.
He really doesn’t. He just keeps saying that.
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Yeah so Messi doesn't run Barcelona. Only on redcafe will he be blamed for their defence conceding 4 and their president running their finances into the ground. He's the one person at that club who throughout this mess has peformed at a genuinely high /exceptional level and carried that club, and hence is worth a huge outlay.
Obviously terminating the contracts of their highest earners which means having to pay them the full salary they are owed on the length of their contract as well paying them that without having them play on your team as well as not getting a transfer fee is a stellar economic business model.
That’s exactly what I told him. They can’t go terminating contracts willy nilly and not pay the player. It’s a contract and it’s binding to which he responded I know how things work and if there is a will there is a way
Solid wum
It boggles the mindThat’s exactly what I told him. They can’t go terminating contracts willy nilly and not pay the player. It’s a contract and it’s binding to which he responded I know how things work and if there is a will there is a way
The salary cap isn't new. It's just because they lost revenue that they can't manage to keep up with the wages.
To be fair he has a point. Technically they could terminate those contracts and register all the players that aren't registered. Now the problems begin, if they pay the terminated players, the club will bankrupt within weeks, if they don't pay the players the club will bankrupt when a court force them to pay the players and adds an indemnity on top of it.That’s exactly what I told him. They can’t go terminating contracts willy nilly and not pay the player. It’s a contract and it’s binding to which he responded I know how things work and if there is a will there is a way
That’s my point. “Terminating” a contract doesn’t mean you won’t have to pay a player anymore. You have a legal agreement to pay the player unless there is a special clause. Courts will support employees more often in this type of cases. They will end up paying more through the court system than if they would just honor their contracts. So either way they have to pay. So he doesn’t have a point.
It was sarcasm, I agree with you. I was trying to jokingly make the point that if they did what he suggested they could register everyone but the price would be something else.
But on a serious note, the solutiin is fairly easy. They need to sell players and not replace them, that's what they should have done years ago with Messi. A few years relying heavily on their academy.
Ohh. Haha my bad JP. I am not the best at reading sarcasm over the internet.
Who is saying to only release without paying? You always need to pay compensation. How much always depends on what kind of deal you make with club or if something like that is already in the contracts. People need to stop looking at this like it is black or white.
It is forum and it is ok that you don't believe.
It is black or white. Football contracts are fully guaranteed the club owes the entire worth of the contract and in the case of terminating a contract, in some legal contexts you also have to pay bonuses. Barcelona aren't poor but they don't have the cash to buy out their most expensive players, what you are suggesting is the fastest way to bankruptcy, particularly when you can bet that those players contracts are a function of the money they borrowed since it's part of the worth of the club.
I'm not sure about the english wording here, but from my understanding, there are - at least in german law - lots of possibilities to terminate a contract. And all these lead to completely different legal consequences.
There are but Barcelona aren't in this situation. Barcelona can afford the current players, they simply can't register them due to other rules, that's a mismanagement from the club but it's not a force majeure case like for example a drastic diminution of revenue due to enforseen events that would prevent the club from being able to afford the players. Barcelona can play with the current registered players, the players already registered are exempt from the new registration rule.
If this is true why on earth have they signed Depay & Aguero this summer?
I don't agree with you. Changing a contract (paycut) or in worst case terminate contract can be done in some way. There are lot of legal documents that explains what would happen and how. If Barcelona don't decide to sell few players wich would be best. I think Messi would and could have stayed if he wanted to beacuse there are lot of solutions.
You may not agree but you are wrong. You can't unilateraly change a contract and can't unilateraly terminate it without paying the employee in full. There is also no reason for players to forfeit even a cent when the club can actually afford them.
Yea it's very difficult to compare different legal systems from other countries to each other as law is pretty complex usually and I am a german lawyer without any knowledge of legal business in spain. In any case, what I just wanted to say is that the termination of a contract does not necessarily mean complete payment of said contract.
For example in germany, you create a contract that, if signed by both employer and employee, terminates the other one. Usually, the employer agrees to pay a certain sum for that termination and very rarely is it the full sum previously agreed up on, as that wouldn't make a lot of sense in most cases. But that's pretty off topic, sorry for that.
As it stands, neither of them can be registered.
Or how could they sign them if true?
But that's a new contractual agreement, it's not a case of unilateral termination. In the case of Barcelona we are talking about a scenario where the players and the club don't find an agreement.
There's absolutely no chance United try to snap him up?
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