sparx99
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He scored like 4 goals in his first 5 games after joining us.When has he ever done that?
He scored like 4 goals in his first 5 games after joining us.When has he ever done that?
Not really a fair comparison because Wijnaldum rarely played as a 10 for Liverpool. He did well there for Newcastle and Holland though. Henderson, I don't rate.So Wijnaldum and Henderson are streets ahead of Pogba and Bruno?
But we would still need 2 or 3 midfielders next season..I don't see it at all. If Pogba was leaving, we might have seen a move for Goretzka or Saul but he's not, so we're fine at CM.
McT, Pogba, Fred, Matic, VdB and to an extent Garner will be enough cover.
Just start working on the Haaland deal and get it in place for next summer.
He's no Phil Jones though.He scored like 4 goals in his first 5 games after joining us.
Barca are broke and desperate... we should go in for the kill.Been hoping for this to happen for weeks even though it's an absolute pipedream
Yes it does.Just because he had a decent half season does NOT make him worth thirty million. If we could get 20 for him and get him off payroll that'd be good business imo.
No it doesn'tYes it does.
If it did PSV would be selling Dumfries for 50m.Yes it does.
He's worth 30 all day long, he's an England international who almost shot WHU in to CL.No it doesn't
Buendia is a few years younger and didn't look like a busted flush for two or three seasons before. One swallow doesn't make a summer and all that.He's worth 30 all day long, he's an England international who almost shot WHU in to CL.
Buendia went for near 40.
Let me just say, there is always a black sheep in family. Last year I borrowed him my laptop and suffice to say, golden shower and pee pee movies were on the top of the search history multiple times when it came back.Who’s this mirrorAnderson
No they wouldn't as he's crap and plays in Eredivisie.If it did PSV would be selling Dumfries for 50m.
It doesn't work like that unfortunately.
Buendia has played one season in the PL and scored 1 goal, Lingard was one of the better players in the league a few months back.Buendia is a few years younger and didn't look like a busted flush for two or three seasons before. One swallow doesn't make a summer and all that.
Agreed. He is not a good international player though. He's an average player that has played international football and, significantly, didn't go to the most recent international tournament. Also, he's posted three more assists in the PL than Buendia did in his one seasonNo they wouldn't as he's crap and plays in Eredivisie.
Yes it does, good international players cost 30 million.
See my last. Buendia has posted three less assists in one season than lingard did in his whole united pl career.Buendia has played one season in the PL and scored 1 goal, Lingard was one of the better players in the league a few months back.
In the championship?See my last. Buendia has posted three less assists in one season than lingard did in his whole united pl career.
Looking at the market over recent years his performances would easily have netted us 30m. But now you have to consider that he has 1 year left on the contract, that reduces his value exponentially. Think about how Varane probably would cost 70m or more if he had a long contract but because of the 1 year left we got him for 34m.Yes it does.
In his one season in the prem.In the championship?
I think plenty of teams would pay 30 million for Lingard and rightly so as he's a very decent PL player.
41m.Looking at the market over recent years his performances would easily have netted us 30m. But now you have to consider that he has 1 year left on the contract, that reduces his value exponentially. Think about how Varane probably would cost 70m or more if he had a long contract but because of the 1 year left we got him for 34m.
Lingard is a good international footballer, but Holland's euro topscorer isn'tNo they wouldn't as he's crap and plays in Eredivisie.
Yes it does, good international players cost 30 million.
Buendia got 7 assists and 1 goal in his only PL season.In his one season in the prem.
Well we shall see. Given his history, high wage and lack of productivity over his career I'd be surprised but delighted. I'm really surprised you think he's very decent. I think he's fine but unremarkable for the prem...it's like the six months or whatever at West ham has made some forget all the hiding, gutless dross he served up for seasons before.
Agreed. I don't dislike Jesse in general, I just think he's a bit of a chancer that landed a contract or two he never should have and rode it out.Lingard is a good international footballer, but Holland's euro topscorer isn't
You missed the point: Clubs don't buy based on purple patches (Dumfries @ euros or Lingard @ west ham). They also see Lingard stinking up the place for a full season without scoring a goal, and Dumfries' inability to cross.
Anyway 25m would be good enough for Lingard, 20 is acceptable. Less is a clearout price.
According to PL's own stats lingard has ten premier league assists for United in his whole time at the club. That's a pathetic stat for someone playing in the position he's often found himself.Buendia got 7 assists and 1 goal in his only PL season.
Lingard is a decent player who lost his way due to problems off the pitch which is understandable.
Do you honestly think that pool of Midfielders would give you a serious and sustained title challenge..?
Yup I think McFred in a double pivot against the bigger teams and Pogba + McT / Fred against the lesser teams is what we'll get and I think that's good enough for a title challenge.No, not remotely fine.
McT and Fred we've already established aren't good enough for a title challenge. Pogba won't be here after this season, and is poor in the double pivot anyway. Matic doesn't even count to the numbers, his goose is cooked. VdB has barely played a handful of games as a deeper lying central midfielder in his career, and he didn't look good there. Garner isn't good enough.
Agree that CM becomes a priority next season. Matic, Pogba will leave so we'll just have McFred. They should def line up a CM target, so Haaland + starting CM will be a good window.But we would still need 2 or 3 midfielders next season..
Matic is ancient, Pogba leaves and we are still missing a DM we need now.
So focusing on Haaland doesn't solve anything unless he is going to play literally right down the middle all game.
Didn't he have some mental issues off the field? Before that he was a regular scorer. One could say that his west ham form is more normal, and the dry patch abnormal, if clubs could see past two years.Lingard is a good international footballer, but Holland's euro topscorer isn't
You missed the point: Clubs don't buy based on purple patches (Dumfries @ euros or Lingard @ west ham). They also see Lingard stinking up the place for a full season without scoring a goal, and Dumfries' inability to cross.
Anyway 25m would be good enough for Lingard, 20 is acceptable. Less is a clearout price.
I seriously can't be arsed to argue with you.Lingard is a good international footballer, but Holland's euro topscorer isn't
You missed the point: Clubs don't buy based on purple patches (Dumfries @ euros or Lingard @ west ham). They also see Lingard stinking up the place for a full season without scoring a goal, and Dumfries' inability to cross.
Anyway 25m would be good enough for Lingard, 20 is acceptable. Less is a clearout price.
Sub you mean?According to PL's own stats lingard has ten premier league assists for United in his whole time at the club. That's a pathetic stat for someone playing in the position he's often found himself.
He wasn't a regular scorer. Outside of his half season for west ham he's only been better than a 1 in 6 scorer for one season. His best return outside of hammers is eight. Aside from that he's scores 4, 4, 1, 1, 0Didn't he have some mental issues off the field? Before that he was a regular scorer. One could say that his west ham form is more normal, and the dry patch abnormal, if clubs could see past two years.
This doesn't make any sense. I'm saying that tally is pathetic for someone that plays in an advanced midfield/wf position. are you really trying to argue he's productive?!Sub you mean?
It's not pathetic for a guy who doesn't start games is it?This doesn't make any sense. I'm saying that tally is pathetic for someone that plays in an advanced midfield/wf position. are you really trying to argue he's productive?!
And 5 for a team in a handful of game where he was played to his strengths. He doesn't really suit United's play and has been shifted out wide for United, where he's far less effective. He's a good player and would do very well at a lot of other teams.According to PL's own stats lingard has ten premier league assists for United in his whole time at the club. That's a pathetic stat for someone playing in the position he's often found himself.
Whooo, your cup of optimism runneth over.Yup I think McFred in a double pivot against the bigger teams and Pogba + McT / Fred against the lesser teams is what we'll get and I think that's good enough for a title challenge.
The only way in which he doesn't suit United's play is that he's not good enough. Which is why he was shunted out wideAnd 5 for a team in a handful of game where he was played to his strengths. He doesn't really suit United's play and has been shifted out wide for United, where he's far less effective. He's a good player and would do very well at a lot of other teams.
/shrugsWhooo, your cup of optimism runneth over.
Same MF as last season, same problems as last season..
McFred have already more than proven they're not good enough. Look at how abysmal our record was against big teams last season. It was disgusting. 2 wins from 12. Barely a shot on target registered in half the games. Ugly, ugly football.Yup I think McFred in a double pivot against the bigger teams and Pogba + McT / Fred against the lesser teams is what we'll get and I think that's good enough for a title challenge.
Matic / VdB will be fine as 4th / 5th CMs IMO. They'll play against easier European opposition, earlier stages of the league / FA cup etc. We don't need Goretzka or Kroos to win against Bournemouth in the league cup.
Because I pointed out how silly it is to price Lingard at 30m because he's "a good international footballer"?I seriously can't be arsed to argue with you.
Haaland is 75m + tens of millions for Raiola. I don't see us spending big again for a MF without sales next year either (with a window like this preceding it).Agree that CM becomes a priority next season. Matic, Pogba will leave so we'll just have McFred. They should def line up a CM target, so Haaland + starting CM will be a good window.
Fred now plays in the starting XI for Brazil on a regular basis. Chances are, the cornerstone of our “McFred” problem is not Fred…McFred have already more than proven they're not good enough.
we should but we don't have the cash either it would seem after spending on sancho and varaneBarca are broke and desperate... we should go in for the kill.