it would be so hilarious! But chances are higher that Schalke wins the Bundesliga this season.
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They are the only team that can afford him, outside of City, it’s not like he had many options.
Haters out in force as if Messi should accept anything less than the highest possible salary anyone can give him. Tried to stay at Barça, wasn't possible, so naturally PSG is the best option. Love me some Ronaldo, and prefer him, but I have nothing but the utmost respect for Messi. Man's a legend.
Also, probably the biggest names in football besides Ronaldo have moved to PSG in the past few years, and that's aside from Chelsea and City. That means that players are not bothered by whatever bitter fans expect them to do like play in the PL or play for less money for some reason all the while not applying these standards to their own lives. Get it through your heads. Money talks - why are the richest clubs the most winning clubs? Why do players leave their boyhood clubs for big clubs? Players want to play, win and make tons of money while they're at it, and if we were players, we'd do the exact same thing. Some of you are so wound up you can't even enjoy the game.
I will say it's a shame he goes to PSG because unless City get Harry Kane, which would be even grinmer, they're about as sure a bet of winning the CL as there's ever been.
I'm just happy we got our Man UTD back after years of chasing shadows. And I wish Messi all the best which he deserves for years of passion and hard work to take him where he is. Nothing but respect for the man.
Also, probably the biggest names in football besides Ronaldo have moved to PSG in the past few years, and that's aside from Chelsea and City. That means that players are not bothered by whatever bitter fans expect them to do like play in the PL or play for less money for some reason all the while not applying these standards to their own lives. Get it through your heads. Money talks - why are the richest clubs the most winning clubs? Why do players leave their boyhood clubs for big clubs? Players want to play, win and make tons of money while they're at it, and if we were players, we'd do the exact same thing. Some of you are so wound up you can't even enjoy the game.
I will say it's a shame he goes to PSG because unless City get Harry Kane, which would be even grinmer, they're about as sure a bet of winning the CL as there's ever been.
I'm just happy we got our Man UTD back after years of chasing shadows. And I wish Messi all the best which he deserves for years of passion and hard work to take him where he is. Nothing but respect for the man.
Besides all of this detailed discussion, could any other clubs even afford him?
I'm not denying the Ligue 1 is a one team league since Qatar took over PSG but so is bundesliga and serie A.
Juve won the league every season since 2011; for them not to win it last season was a massive upset and resulted from a multitude of factors, Pirlo being at the front of the queue.
In the bundesliga, no one team can really financially compete with Bayern which means Bayern always scavenge other teams' best players and annually stroll the league. Dortmund tried under Klopp but that's it.
Ah, but it's an independent report though, made by Bartomeu & Son Ltd
No, but it will hardly make a difference to the tourism industry in Paris and France in general. 5-10% would mean two million extra tourists solely because of Messi playing out his final football years in the city. The same could be said if Chelsea had used that argument for London.It's not going to hurt either.
It's either a PR bluff or a Messi fan trying to justify the ridiculously high salary he will receive.
Not exactly since the employers also pays contributions on the amount actually spent before you get brut/gross. It's even more significant for CDDs because the difference between gross and net is pretty slim.
Here's the breakdown directly from the government website if anyone is interested (note that his net after tax will be higher than displayed here since, as I mentionned earlier, it doesn't take into account that part of his salary will be paid through image rights taxed differently) :
Am I missing something? That's what I said.Not exactly since the employers also pays contributions on the amount actually spent before you get brut/gross. It's even more significant of CDDs.
Here's the breakdown directly from the government website if anyone is interested (note that his net after tax will be higher than displayed here since, as I mentionned earlier, it doesn't take into account that part of his salary will be paid through image rights taxed differently) :
Unless I didn't understand your comment properly, you wrote " Brut/gross is the amount that the employer actually spends". The amount the employer actuelly spends is "cout total", it's "gross+employer contribution", then net is "gross minus employee contribution".
Juventus was a massive mistake for Ronaldo
As a wage, the charge patronales aren't part of the wage unless I'm mistaken.
Honestly kinda hoping Mbappe will stay because I want to see how the Neymar - Mbappe - Messi combo will work on the pitch.
Picked PSG to avoid sharing the limelight with Messi, if only he knew the cost of being hasty with such life decisions...
Also a little bit funny that Neymar left PSG to step away from Messi's shadows just to return to it few years later.
I'm an outlier on this one, but it seems to me Messi has more than enough money in the bank already to swim in extreme luxury to his last breath. I seriously doubt I'm wrong about that.
But then there's the undesirable desire to pile on another winner's medal to his enormous vault of medals. There's nothing like winning a league or European medal, but there's something a bit too mercenary for me about the arguable GOAT piling onto a squad that's already beyond stacked in what is undeniably a second tier league. It's not as though Messi has never won a CL trophy.
But then there's the undesirable desire to pile on another winner's medal to his enormous vault of medals. There's nothing like winning a league or European medal, but there's something a bit too mercenary for me about the arguable GOAT piling onto a squad that's already beyond stacked in what is undeniably a second tier league. It's not as though Messi has never won a CL trophy.
From an accounting point of view you're right, i thought you meant what the employer actually spends when he's paying a gross salary of X€, what we call "salaire chargé", my bad.
€35m net per year just about keeps him as the world's highest paid player and athlete.
Do you get to be called a mercenary when you've played for 1 club for 21 years?
I was thinking about accounting, that's the only angle I have.
Agreed. Bad timing on his part, PSG has playmates more to Messi’s liking I think.
Massive mistake for Juve too.
I'm not sure that's how shirt sales work
Ronaldo was completely dominated in La Liga winning a total of 4 La Liga & Copa Del Rey out of 18 cups available vs Messi's 12 in 9 years. He only received the best player award once in La Liga versus Messi's 6.
He went to a Juve team that has won Serie A 8 times in a row and played two CL finals in the last 4 years before his arrival. He failed miserably at Juve losing ties against teams like Lyon (from Ligue 1 by the way) and 10-man Porto in CL. At Juve, the "challenge" was finding a solution to Juve's chronic underperformance issues in CL finals. Juve did not bring him so that they could win another Serie A title. Regardless, Juve still failed to win the league first time in the last 10 years with him finishing 4h in Serie A. His Juve experience is a complete failure from the "new challenge" perspective.
Throughout his career, he worked with some of the top managers such as Ancelotti, Mourinho, SAF who won the CL before Ronaldo unlike Messi. Yet, he managed to collect only 5 league titles in 15 seasons in PL & La Liga..
When you are talking about Portugal's EC win, you are conveniently ignoring the fact that Portugal did not play against any teams you quoted above, namely, England, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, Spain, and Belgium other than France. Portuguese path is by far the easiest path ever for an eventual EC winner and in the final against France, he was a non-factor.
You are also conveniently ignoring the fact that when Messi was playing the WC final in 2014, Ronaldo's Portugal could not even pass the group stage behind mighty USA. In 2017, they lost to Chile and in 2018 WC they lost to another SA side, Uruguay. His career is full of failures against American teams...
Individually, Messi has 3 player of the tournament awards (WC & 2 Copa) versus Ronaldo's "0". Ronaldo had a superior Portugal team in this EC and failed again with that great team and could not even make it to the team of the tournament.
Finally, you are only comparing goals as if Messi is only a goalscorer. Messi is an elite goal scorer + elite playmaker whereas Ronaldo is just an elite goal scorer. Ronaldo does not have the creativity, vision etc, like the elite creators such as Maradona, Rivaldo, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Xavi, Cruyff etc.. Yet, Messi's goal ratio is still better than Ronaldo's.. Messi without goals would still be a considered top 3 player ever and probably the best playmaker in his era. What about Ronaldo without goals, well, let's not go there....
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I'd love it if he went mental and said "I've won everything, been the Goat and would love to join a smaller club, help them flourish and change the course of history in terms of establishing teams... I'm going to Leicester for 180k pw."
Leeds already won the pl long ago. It would be more suitable to join David Moyes.
You can be a mercenary any time.
I still don't understand why they thought that it was a good idea. As good as Ronaldo was he didn't look like a good fit for a team that was that close from the top, his needs didn't match with what they had and it clashed with what Dybala was providing. I could be wrong but I think that it also ruined Dybala by making him an awkward side piece.
Real shame. Would have loved to have seen how Messi would have fared in a better quality league like the Premiership.
And if he went to City? Anyway when you are the biggest club legend in history I think you dont deserve that label. Its a bit like calling Pelé a mercenary
He could've signed with every team in the world if he really wanted to.
Going to be funny watching him playing under the captaincy of Sergio Ramos, maybe he can learn a thing or two about being a leader and not sulking up at the big moments when things aren't going well.
Agreed. Would've just meant a pay cut. The guy probably had half a billion in the bank. He really could if he wanted to.
They wrapped up this deal real fecking quick. Crying on Sunday and saying PSG is a possibility to it being all done on Tuesday. No one can convince me this wasn't happening before the end of last week.
Where would you prefer him to go? City (won 3 league titles in the last four years)? Bayern (won 9 league titles in a row)? Juve (won 9 league titles in the last 10 years)?
2012 City sure, but he has Pep there which is more than enough reason anyways. And like others have said, he and his dad are in control, he isn't owned by an agent, he controls his own destiny and can easily go anywhere he wants. Unless for some reason his family needs that 3 million a month to survive.
Because it shouldn’t be about money for Messi. He is one of the highest paid sportsman and his revenue streams would continue long after he stops playing. This isn’t an average low to mid table footballer we’re talking about who is still trying to secure his family’s financial future.
Regardless, if money is the only reason to join PSG, it is an even more disappointing thought.
What would the Caf define as a successful season for Messi? Winning the CL will be top priority for the club, but as a player, how many goals and assists do we think Messi can get? Someone above said 50 goals and 30 assists across all competitions. Would that be fair? Or do you guys think he can get more?
It's not only about money, but the the fact that his dad and Messi himself want to be acknowledged, in a tangible way, that he's the best footballer in the world. And that's by wages, not including personal endorsements.
Just so happens that PSG can afford those wages, yet still provide Messi with a clear winning platform domestically and in CL.
Just so happens that PSG can afford those wages, yet still provide Messi with a clear winning platform domestically and in CL.
What if Messi decided that PSG was the ideal destination because he will join one of his friends, will live in Paris with his family, can try to win an other CL title, maybe elevate the profile of Ligue 1 and earn a lot of money? Those are fairly basic ideas, would it be less disappointing?