Plastics every one of you.
Why the heck #OLEOUT is trending again?
- Thread starter meamth
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Me?
Find my post in here that shows I'm plastic. You don't know what I think because it's pointless to post it. If it doesn't fit your narrative it'll just be dismissed in a childish way. Thinking you're the only real fan becaue you want Ole in, what kind of bullshit is that! Imagine thinking you're that relevant. Get off your high horse and engage rather than the shit you've posted up till now.
What about those people that think he’s just doing a decent job, Legend or not?
Yes I do. Pointing out that the forum is full of knee jerkism and hysteria, is not only warranted, but needed. I will happily call out and distance myself from fans who become vitriolic and hateful towards our own players, snd whose emotions fans support for the club flip as readily as we move one game to the next. There is a critical absence if strategic thinking amongst most fans.
They are the biggest problem in my eyes and don't care how much stick I take for saying it, something these fans might also want to think about is his dreadful coaching could end up losing us the likes of Pogba & Bruno and future targets as well
Southampton did not sit back unless when they were really push to do so, in fact they pressed us high up the pitch as their goal showed, they were countless other times their goal...
Well all the talks about our Midfield has been said today but no one seem to mention how we missed McFred energy and counter press, their partnership is well underrated.
I never want to see Matic play in the Leauge again, Matic should only be used at the League Cup games, Matic is finished.
I haven't really seen any posters saying he's not capable of being a manager at all. Most, like myself, that I've seen at least, seem to think he's simply not good enough for Manchester United.
Oh totally he is good enough for a championship side maybe even lower premier league but us no chance, the fact he refuses to acknowledge coaching issues is shocking then there is the poor treatment of Donny and finally not buying a DM last summer is the last straw for me.
Tbf a lot of people used last weeks victory do to exactly what people are doing today but only for Ole.
While I agree one match should never be judged in isolation, matches can be judged as part of a larger pattern. And these type of draws are part of a larger pattern of Ole’s management. From the starting lineup, positional changes, to the subs. I’d understand if we were playing 2 matches a week but we are not. So the criticism is fair, is it Ole out fair no, but if we have realistic title ambitions and this type of stuff continues then we can’t let it drag on.
But is a decent job good enough for Manchester United? I would say no. If we still consider ourselves a super club (we are when it comes to finances), what would one of the other super clubs like Madrid, Barca or Munich do in our position? I don’t expect Ole to get the sack since he’s doing well by the Glazers post-Fergie standards by delivering champions league football, but this season should be the one to assess whether he can really sustain a title challenge and come closer. He’s been backed with good signings, it’s time to deliver.
Im not going to give you stick for it. But I think it flies in the face of reality. Oh well, each to their own opinion.
I just can't ever feel convinced because he won't address his three biggest issues
I just think we have to prioritise plausibility over accuracy. We are not a trigger happy firing club. We’ve seen several strides forwards both on the pitch and off it, since he signed. Whether he is the man to take us back to trophy winning glory is hard to know yet. Anyone categorically saying no, is doing so because it’s a win-win situation for them. If he wins, their naysaying will get lost in the celebrations, if he doesn’t, we get endless I told you so’s. It’s much harder ti back a manager looking at ling term progress.
We could and should be better. The stars are our ambitions, but he’s done enough to be given this season at least, and while progress continues to be made, it would be perilous at best to make a coaching change right now. I don’t think it’s an emotional argument. One just had to follow the logic.
Some people are like ostriches hiding their head in the ground and thinking that ignoring all the signs that Ole isn't good enough would magically win us titles.
He's proven every year that as long as he doesn't have his starting 11 all fit and playing, he'll struggle to get the results. Decent job isn't good enough for a club that actually wants to win stuff.
But sure, people who don't rate him as a manager must clearly be haters.
He's proven every year that as long as he doesn't have his starting 11 all fit and playing, he'll struggle to get the results. Decent job isn't good enough for a club that actually wants to win stuff.
But sure, people who don't rate him as a manager must clearly be haters.
This!Some people are like ostriches hiding their head in the ground and thinking that ignoring all the signs that Ole isn't good enough would magically win us titles.
He's proven every year that as long as he doesn't have his starting 11 all fit and playing, he'll struggle to get the results. Decent job isn't good enough for a club that actually wants to win stuff.
But sure, people who don't rate him as a manager must clearly be haters.
Ole seems like a good national team coach.
Identify the right players, let them play to their strengths and instill some camaraderie.
(Which is harder than it sounds. Loew didnt manage last couple of years for Germany)
But a modern club coach need to be able to instill a system and to drill the team until its a machine. Pep, Tuchel, Klopp, Conte, Nagelsmann etc.you can see that they drilling their players to play a distinct form of football.
Last weekend city scored the same goal several times that they always score, because the team got drilled in a system that they can usually rely on.
The pressing Klopp plays is also distinct.
Whats our distinct form of football? Stuck in and counter via Rashford? Pass to Pogba/Bruno and pray?
Loyalty is a great virtue but so is intelligence. An intelligent analysis would suggest that Ole was not appointed to win the Premier League but to run a happy ship keeping us in the top four. So calling for Ole out is dumb. He was put there by the Glazers for a reason. Glazersout is what should be trending.
We have to win the CL or Premier League this season or Ole needs to go. Klopp won the CL in his third full year with fewer resources.
Who said that its intelligent? Theres nothing intelligent about it because intelligence would tell you that there is a clear team being built, slowly but thats the owners not the manager. Intelligence doesnt shout ole out after a draw. Intelligence sees theres clear and evident progress. If you cannot see that then you arent intelligent or most likely just agenda driven.,
Quite simply I am Ole out for three reasons
His treatment of Donny
Not buying a CDM last summer
Appointing inexperienced coaches
The last one is the biggest because there is no evidence of him wanting to do anything about it at all and that is terrifying
His treatment of Donny
Not buying a CDM last summer
Appointing inexperienced coaches
The last one is the biggest because there is no evidence of him wanting to do anything about it at all and that is terrifying
Playing Donny doesn't help anything, and defence was not our problem yesterday it was not having a midfielder who can run our game.
Is Donny Van De Beek your cousin or something? I am yet to see VDB produce one fantastic display when given the chance. Not one. Many reasons there may be but it won’t be the first time a Dutch star came to the league only to fail. Even superstars from other leagues have failed here. United are a fan base full of overreactors.
I'm not saying he's the answer but why on earth didn't we just keep that £35m then
LOOK it's not an overreaction when I have made it quite clear about his coaching shortcomings since 2019
He literally played well a matter of weeks ago against Everton. First half he played with Matic and we moved the ball quickly. Second half he was removed and we looked like last season
Blows my mind the antics of some folk.
Don't get me wrong poor result yesterday, but Jesus when did everyone turn into moany fannies
Nice one for bringing that up to illustrate my point that he shouldn't be just cast aside
Our midfield were diabolical yesterday, and a guy recovering from covid was brought on instead
We have seen him do well in preseason and the end of last. You have yet to see anything because he has not really been given a chance, minutes here and there is not a chance. If matic can be thrown in to provide that same kind of performance over and over, Donny can get a chance.
He's a midfielder, he needs to play to get in groove with the team. We had no midfield presence yesterday, because Fred is not comfortable with the ball and matic legs are gone, Donny solves both of those issues. Can he provide screening to the defence? probably not, but neither did the personnel we persisted with.
I don't know if he is the player we need, but I've seen enough of the others to think he warrants an actual chance to nail down a place. If he fails so be it, all the others have, at least they had the chance to fail constantly.
Some people just want to bury their head in the sand on this one and I include cowardly Utd journos in that
Your third paragraph sums it up perfectly and needs pinning up somewhere
Sancho played twice and didn't do anything notable either. Should he be ignored for the rest of the season and rot on the bench while inferior players like Lingard and James play 30 games a season?
You lads do realise we cannot and will not win every game right? Some of the nonsense in here is mental
Thats a false equivalency if I ever saw one.
Not expecting to win every game but it's time Ole did something about his faults
Like what exactly? We haven't got the money to fix the midfield apparently so it's a case of making do for now
No idea.
Bloody hell, we have enough to beat Southampton. Pogba was our most bright forward, then gets put in the pivot trying to win the game
Swap out Southampton for Palace, Burnley, Sheff United etc and then realise we've also dropped points to them over the seasons, even worse than them in fact. The beauty of football is despite having enough to beat 'Southampton', they can still put a shift in and get a result against you. United haven't got a divine right to win all their games
It's the basic issues that he can't see. This is a premier football club. It's not as if he has major injuries and can't put out a decent side.
Surely he can get Matic not to drop into the defense and get Fred isolated?
When McFred play Lindelof and Maguire are good enough to pass. When Matic plays they are not good enough?
When we need to move and pass DVB is better than anyone else in midfield yet he doesn't get to play?
It wasn't as if Soton came and shut up shop and defended for their lives. We didn't need Matic to be a third central defender.
Surely he can get Matic not to drop into the defense and get Fred isolated?
When McFred play Lindelof and Maguire are good enough to pass. When Matic plays they are not good enough?
When we need to move and pass DVB is better than anyone else in midfield yet he doesn't get to play?
It wasn't as if Soton came and shut up shop and defended for their lives. We didn't need Matic to be a third central defender.
It's nowhere near that bad. Behave.