Depends on who he would be starting instead of. If it were Pogba or Bruno then obviously not. If it’s ahead of Sancho then maybe. Though if we spent £73m on somebody to be back up to Lingard then we’re doing football wrong.
Does Jesse deserve to start?
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Greatest fans in the world!No! My worst fear for the weekend is I buy a ticket, Bruno is dropped for Jesse just for him to do his anonymous act that invariably happens for us and totally starves Ronaldo of service on his 2nd Debut for us!
That cannot be allowed to happen!
I’m glad you mentioned Martial. Here’s a guy who has scored double digits since he got here. He’s not good enough and should be sold according to most, but a guy who had a good half season 3 years ago and a good loan spell for someone else deserves starts. Lingard should’ve been out the door a long time ago.
This will go well.
(Answer is no, btw).
(Answer is no, btw).
No.
Not a bad shout. Lingard does all the running, Ronaldo does the stuff that involves the ball.
I genuinely think Ole is going to start Lingard because he's going to try and shoehorn Ronaldo in with Mason or Cavani, possibly both, and we'll need to defensive cover/running - have players like traditional wingers.
---------Cavani/Mason-----Ronaldo--------------
Lingard--------------------------------Bruno/Sancho
------------------- Pogba ---- Fred -------------------
Shaw ------- Maguire ---- Varane ------ AWB
Tbh I'd be up for this versus Newcastle but not good teams.
---------Cavani/Mason-----Ronaldo--------------
Lingard--------------------------------Bruno/Sancho
------------------- Pogba ---- Fred -------------------
Shaw ------- Maguire ---- Varane ------ AWB
Tbh I'd be up for this versus Newcastle but not good teams.
Does Jessie deserve to start over Christiano, van der Beak, Fernandez, Edison Cavani, Jaden Sancho etc?
Only if other players suffer a drop in form, which could happen, and you never know what injuries could do to us.
Other than that, he as do really great whenever he's given a chance, and make it difficult for Ole. I wouldn't put my money on it.
Other than that, he as do really great whenever he's given a chance, and make it difficult for Ole. I wouldn't put my money on it.
I almost got triggered.
Remember Jesse Lingaard? What a player he was.Nope. Andorra are basically league one levels of quality.
If he miraculously manages to break into the first team it would have to be coming on as a sub and proving he can unlock the low block defences and link up well with our other players. Until then he's still a decent squad player.
If he miraculously manages to break into the first team it would have to be coming on as a sub and proving he can unlock the low block defences and link up well with our other players. Until then he's still a decent squad player.
It's the return of Ronaldo ffs! Do you really want Jesse's typical display for us to ruin that?
Imagine an expectant Old Trafford watching Jesse hide between the lines, floating around like a fag paper in the wind achieving nothing, barely touching the ball for 25 minutes at a time, whilst Ronaldo is throwing his hands up in the air every time Pogba pings a long one forward from deep (with Scott injured he's playing deep in this game.) If he plays I bet you a hypothetical internet fiver that's what we see.
I like Jesse, I just don't like him in a United shirt.
We need to go full strength this game, get Ronnie off the mark, remove any pressure there may be (not that he feels pressure.) Not to mention we need a decent performance after the last two games which were awful, get the show back on the road and some momentum going.
I agree with this especially the bolded part.
^ this. When he gets his chances for us he should take those chances to show what he's about. I like Lingard, he did well at West Ham and has played well for England but...we aren't either of those teams. But he's down the pecking order now and he'll have to wait for those chances.
Maybe start him against the big teams that will give Utd space.?
Hate him or love him, you have to admit his numbers for Westham were astonishing.
Yeah that's where he would be most effective but the thing is he won't get in ahead of the likes of Bruno, he may come on with like 10 minutes to go which isn't much time. Basically I think he should have moved to another team, he'll not get the opportunities here this season that he deserves, happy to be proven wrong of course.
No. We've been here before. He's not good enough and never will be.
For what it's worth, his West Ham form is overplayed. He started fantastically but reverted to form at the end, after scoring 9 goals in the first 10 games he didn't do a thing in the last 6. He's not getting in ahead of Bruno, Greenwood or Pogba and he shouldn't be taking minutes off the youngsters either.
For what it's worth, his West Ham form is overplayed. He started fantastically but reverted to form at the end, after scoring 9 goals in the first 10 games he didn't do a thing in the last 6. He's not getting in ahead of Bruno, Greenwood or Pogba and he shouldn't be taking minutes off the youngsters either.
Lingard has never looked particularly good out wide. Running around plenty - but with little purpose or impact.
He's a plausible backup for Bruno as an energetic, goal scoring AM (or second striker). Which is a polite way of saying that he's a much worse version of Bruno - at best.
He's a plausible backup for Bruno as an energetic, goal scoring AM (or second striker). Which is a polite way of saying that he's a much worse version of Bruno - at best.
Does Jesse deserve to start?
Yes, but not for United.
Yes, but not for United.
And against West Ham in the league cup so he can beast a hat trick against them as if to say “Raaaaa bastards! You should’ve put your hands in your pocket!!!!!! “
Sancho & Ronaldo in one window, the question answers itself. Martial would have to willingly give Jesse some minutes and I doubt he's that uninterested in playing for us. I'd love Ole giving chances to Amad & Mejbri. They can be the real future after Ronaldo & Cavani end their competitive careers here in United.
Dan James took it all on the chin and walked away with smile and genuine respect for the club. I will never forget him same as Jesse giving us great moments in two finals during LvG & Jose era, but at some point the new generation will have to emerge and Ole need to help younger players make it in United for the sake of longevity.
So far Jesse is staying for the sake of staying and having status of Manchester United player, while being still in his best years. Decision is his.
Dan James took it all on the chin and walked away with smile and genuine respect for the club. I will never forget him same as Jesse giving us great moments in two finals during LvG & Jose era, but at some point the new generation will have to emerge and Ole need to help younger players make it in United for the sake of longevity.
So far Jesse is staying for the sake of staying and having status of Manchester United player, while being still in his best years. Decision is his.
It's the correct spelling for periods when he is in Messi-esque form.
I'm sure you are right but Ole won't see it that way. He will play the cup games and the odd PL game when the fixture is cramped but he is no competition when everyone is fit and Bruno is a competitor who likes to play every game and he's pivotal. Which means Jesse will probably play more games coming off the bench and start very little and maybe leave at the end of the season. I'm not a big fan of his because he gives away the ball far too often and West Ham might be a team that can afford it but certainly not Man United.
I included ronaldo in because half the people in the 'how we line up with Ron' seem to suggest he will at lesst feature on the left sometimes.
Pogba had played on the right a lot last season and left already this season.
Injuries are very short term at the moment. Not a long term issue. But yes an injury crisis is is the only way this Lingard starts
Absolutely not.
With McTominay out I can't see Pogba playing on the left much this month unless you think Matic can play week in week out
It was bloody Andorra!
Lingard can only play the no.10 role effectively and Bruno is undroppable.
End of.
Lingard can only play the no.10 role effectively and Bruno is undroppable.
End of.
His best and most beneficial role for us this season would have been out on loan again, where he could single handedly take points off close rivals while not playing against us.
In the United setup as things stand, he is a bit part squad player at best.
In the Mourinho years and early Ole months he was a starter for sure, but we have so many better players now.
Would be shocked if he starts more than 5 games in the PL and CL this year. Not really acknowledging potential token appearances in the cups.
In the Mourinho years and early Ole months he was a starter for sure, but we have so many better players now.
Would be shocked if he starts more than 5 games in the PL and CL this year. Not really acknowledging potential token appearances in the cups.
He’s our new Dan James..
He should get a few starts against weaker opposition, and maybe some minutes as a sub in situations where there are lots of spaces to exploit. Hopefully, he does well, so when we put him on the shopfront again next summer, we'll find a willing buyer. That is, of course, if the bright minds who run our beloved club don't put him on a quarter of a million instead... you know, to protect the asset.
No, because we have better players than Jesse.
Last night's game was a farce. Playing well against a nation who's population is less than the capacity of Wembley is no barometer for any player that plays in the premier league.
No wonder England have such a good record in qualifying and typically blow it when we play a proper team in a tournament.
Last night's game was a farce. Playing well against a nation who's population is less than the capacity of Wembley is no barometer for any player that plays in the premier league.
No wonder England have such a good record in qualifying and typically blow it when we play a proper team in a tournament.
I mean, come on. He should not be getting any minutes, at all. Not even off the bench. We’ve all seen this movie before, not sure why people never learn.
He should’ve left to further his career, but he obviously thinks he can make it here. Good for him, but he’s made the wrong career choice. He’s good to have in the squad though, especially if we get 3-4 injuries, plus it looks like he’s quite popular among the players. So yeah, great lockeroom guy but shouldn’t be on the pitch.
He should’ve left to further his career, but he obviously thinks he can make it here. Good for him, but he’s made the wrong career choice. He’s good to have in the squad though, especially if we get 3-4 injuries, plus it looks like he’s quite popular among the players. So yeah, great lockeroom guy but shouldn’t be on the pitch.
No. Greenwood owns the right, Ronaldo, Martial and Pogba are better options on the left, and Bruno is obviously a better 10.
No.
Erm, in place of who exactly? Pogba is first choice left winger till Sancho / Rashford get back and after that, even Pogba will have a fight on his hands.
Players like Lingard, Martial and VDB (for no fault of his) who stayed instead of going out on loan / permanent move will just warm the bench till Jan.
Players like Lingard, Martial and VDB (for no fault of his) who stayed instead of going out on loan / permanent move will just warm the bench till Jan.
I follow you. You can also add his pre-season performance. I don’t think it’s a good idea to play him wide. I’m fine if he’s given a chance when Bruno needs a rest. Maybe he also can be tested in a double pivot when McT is injured. Can’t be much worse defensively than Pogba
Pogba should play left (in Rashford’s) position.He doesn't deserve to start against Newcastle, no. Our front three should be Greenwood, Ronaldo and Sancho/Pogba, but what he is doing is giving himself a decent chance to be considered. I still find it quite shocking that nobody bought him over the summer. There are a bunch of clubs that could use a player like him, instead what we have now is a very good player that is going to scrape through another season on a handful of starts in our least important fixtures because for whatever reason he wasn't able to find himself another club. He'll probably end up going for £5m in January.
I think he's earned a start for the Newcastle game, especially if Sancho is carrying a knock.
Realistically he won't get a great deal of minutes in the long run though. He'll be largely limited to the lesser cup competitions.
Realistically he won't get a great deal of minutes in the long run though. He'll be largely limited to the lesser cup competitions.
Nope. The end.