Yeah, but they didn't want to cough up the money after 2 days which is when Mendes approached us. If City had paid up Juve, he would be at City. It's not just him, Messi had no options bar PSG. Both of them priced themselves out of having many options.
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Both are fantastic footballers. Messi is the superior player, but in terms of greatness, Cristiano Ronaldo seems on track to being regarded as the greater player if he already isn't. Cristiano Ronaldo's approach and respect for the profession can only be matched by Novak Djokovic currently, and Floyd Mayweather and Kobe Bryant previously.
I don't think it will change much to be honest.
It's not as if they don't matter, it's an incredible achievement, I just don't believe they're as good of a comparison as multiple league campaigns are. In the CL, so much has to do with luck, match-ups, it's not always necessarily the best team that wins all the way. But in a league campaign, facing the same oppositions over 38 games, I just don't think it gets much better than that for comparisons and Messi comes out way
There is no perfect comparison, it's not as if we could simulate switching their teams and run simulations to see the difference each would have in the other's position. One of the main reason Barcelona conceded less goals isn't necessarily better defense, it's just the fact that for a long chunk of their dominance, they owned the ball, and possession was extremely limited for the other team. By that same token I can come back and say that Real Madrid still owns the record for most goals scored in a league campaign in 11-12. I don't think there was a huge difference between the two team's quality, certainly not as big as CR7 fans would want to portray, but there was a big difference in playing philosophy.
As I said, there isn't a perfect comparison that can be made, but I can only argue that league campaigns is about the closest we'll get to a valid comparison between the two during the nine years they shared together.
Don't forget Michael Jordan on that list.
Jibers this just isn’t true. We went after Ronaldo in an act of desperation? We have had this conversation before!
If Ronaldo to City was off then we wouldn’t have gotten involved. He was looking for a move all summer and we didn’t budge.
It is. Fabrizio Romano is pretty much the number one journalist when it comes to these things. Balague confirmed it and Castles said the same thing.
We were not desperate for him. Mendes had already offered Ronaldo to us earlier and we didn't GAF. The ONLY reason Mendes offered Ronaldo to us is BECAUSE City were refusing to cough up the money after 2 days of negotiations with Juve. That much is confirmed by all the three aforementioned journos. Whether City needed to sell a player to get him or they just didn't want to cough up the money because of his age is irrelevant. Maybe Ronaldo decided to even chose United and stopped negotiating once we came in, but that doesn't change the fact that he wouldn't be here if City did that deal quickly and weren't stalling.
Romano is universally Tier 1 when it comes to transfers. He you go.
Was curious how Messi is doing in the farmers league and looking at stats. Has he played for PSG yet?
also, why is the French league allowing 4 subs?
also, why is the French league allowing 4 subs?
Well its just predictable that either will proclaim "how is this a debate anymore" everytime one of them has a great game. Both of them already have a incredible legacy. There isnt much really that could change my mind at this point. Neither Pelé, Cryuff or Maradona had to prove themselves at a retirement age and i dont really believe that Ronaldo or Messi have to.
Leading charts?
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Madrid's all time goal scorer at a ratio of more than a goal a game.
If it's that simple there would be quite a few.
Well as we’ve already seen, a World Cup win would be a potential game changer, which shows the importance of the World Cup.
The issue is you don't seem to be arguing it, just asserting it. You are telling us what your hypothesis is, but then don't go through the trouble of trying to verify it.
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It doesnt mean much me to at this stage tbh. Brian Laudrup won the euros with Denmark while his big brother didnt join the squad. It doesnt change the fact that M. Laudrup was one of the most naturally talented players of all time and probably had the best passing ability ever + insane vision. His little brother was world class on his day but never consistently hit the level of his brother at club level despite being a key player in Denmarks greatest ever achievement.
He lost. That don’t work the same.
He plays for a superior national team and has a worse record.
Yes, it's the same for some United fans here. But whatever, everyone has his own likes.
Dribbling it's quite an important part of the game, and if you add to that skill, the skill of playmaking, well, you have a massive player. Add to that the goal threat and movement, and you have a legendary player. Never in the history of the game we had a player like this. Never.
All those players from the 50s and 60s played without offside rule in some cases and the goalkeepers didn't even had gloves in some countrys. Like Brazil.
He isn’t though. That’s why he was so desperate for a Copa he had like 5 cracks at it until he got one.
Ronaldo has passed Messi a while ago particularly in 2016 and around the 3 peat time.
Messi has been playing catch up to him ever since and he got closer with the Copa win granted it’s and inferior competition but still a win Is a win.
Verify what? This is a Messi vs CR7 debate, if there was any way to verify anything, these debates wouldn't go on as long as they do. Not sure what you're trying to say. I'm arguing, with some comfort, that league campaigns are about as good of a comparison as you will get, it doesn't mean they don't come with their own drawbacks, but IMO far less than comparing CL wins or international career where you play in different continents.
so why did Fergie call Ronaldo? Why did pep say a deal was done with city for Ronaldo?
And would Messi fans accept it if Ronaldo lifts the World Cup
You keep bringing this up. Who is the source? dailymail? ballbag?
Rio Ferdinand himself confirmed it
Madrid's all time goal scorer at a ratio of more than a goal a game.
If it's that simple there would be quite a few.
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Read what I said again. Doing a skill to an exceptional level doesn’t mean the skill is rare.
Are you a Ronaldo fan?
Hilarious. He was desperate for a Copa because he’s Argentine (and a prodigal son), not because of Ronaldo.
if you’re talking about achievements, how is Messi playing catch up? He has more team trophies (I don’t buy the BS about different leagues, that was Ronaldo’s choice. If you’re great, you’re great, as Pele, Maldini, Beckenbauer etc proved).
He also has 6 Ballon D’Ors to Ronaldo’s 5, 6 golden boots to Ronaldo’s 4, 4 playmaker awards to Ronaldo’s zero, 3 international tournament MVPs to Ronaldo’s zero, etc etc. Not to mention he has more goal contributions than Ronaldo despite having played 150 less games and being 2 and a half years younger.
The only significant thing Ronaldo has more of is CL trophies and that’s the only area where he is trying to catch CR. In every other significant aspect, Messi is ahead.
Where does this idea come from that football in the 50s and 60s did not have the offside rule?! Are there really people that believe this??
Yes but Ronaldo is above 6ft
A) The Euros are not the World Cup
B) Not sure what M. Laudrup v B Laudrup has to do with a discussion about GOAT level players and how the World Cup can impact their legacy. Michael Laudrup is one of the greatest players of all time. Brian Laudrup, though talented, is not. I’m talking about the World Cup in a discussion between two GOAT level players.
It's rare when you do it to that level. That's like saying what Messi does is nothing special because I make through balls at my five a side all the time
Yes but Ronaldo has an 8 pack, Messi only has 6.
I mean if those playmaker awards and tournament MVP awards count (where very few, if not none, would talk about those in GOAT comparison in any era), you can’t ignore those major all time records (which has been discussed all the time even before Ronaldo/Messi time).
I’d argue Ronaldo is also ahead in terms of many major goal records, such as career record, CL record and international record. Messi might still have a chance to catch him up on career one though, as he is younger. But it really depends who will retire sooner.
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He will not catch Ronaldo with goal records, because Cristiano will play until his records are safe. It's his legacy after all. He will be known as the greatest goalscorer of all time when he retires.
I think Messi will play in MLS after PSG. I'm seeing Ronaldo will play for us for more than 2 years.
I think Messi will play in MLS after PSG. I'm seeing Ronaldo will play for us for more than 2 years.
Copa América is inferior to Euro, however Messi faced Colombia in semifinals and Brazil in the Final, Portugal faced Croatia in round of 16 and France in the Final.
It was the same difficulty, I'm not counting Wales and Poland since those two teams are inferior to Colombia.
Still Messi has the advantage in WC cause he plays for Argentina, and we are not even sure if Portugal is going to pass group stage in 2022...they almost get knocked out by Iran in 2018.
He lost in the final, but is still in a final. Ask yourself this, is a silver medal in the olympics the same as a bronze or no medals, or does this “no gold medal means its all the same” logic works only if it is messi?
At the end of the day, olympics silver medal > bronze medal, being placed 2nd in your university cohort > being placed 4th in your university cohort, a world cup final > a world cup semi final. This is reality.
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I am unsure if I should feel flattered or affronted.
To be fair, in football no one remember or care about runners up in cup competition, it’s all about winning the trophy.
Traditionally speaking Olympic medal isn’t the same though, “Olympic medalist” itself is already great achievements for most, as you can always see gold, silver or bronze medalist are glorified together in same platform during medal ceremony, with happy faces.
In football the losing team will cry like total loser though, whereas winning team would celebrate crazily with happy faces.
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I just don't get your argument, you can simply say Messi has won POT in three editions of international tournaments, sounds much better than, hey he reached final.
It can't be forgotten that most of Messi's achievements came while playing in a club side that had a defence and midfield that was strong enough to practically win the World Cup and two Euros even without the insane attacking talent that is Messi. Messi's trophy haul has dried up massively in recent years in comparison to when he had the greatest midfield trio of all time behind him, and/or the greatest attacking trio of all time alongside him, and Barca have been embarrassed in the Champions League several years in a row. In addition, once Ronaldo had a midfield comparable to what Messi had for most of his career he started winning CLs for fun.
It begs the question: Is Messi's superior trophy haul (three more leagues and cups, whereas Ronaldo has one more CL) mostly down to Messi playing for the superior team or Messi being the better player?
It begs the question: Is Messi's superior trophy haul (three more leagues and cups, whereas Ronaldo has one more CL) mostly down to Messi playing for the superior team or Messi being the better player?
Think this can be made both ways to be fair, Messi was dominant when he had the best team and Ronaldo had his best time when Madrid got it together and make an excellent side.
It’s almost as if… it’s a team game and really hard to compare people.
My argument is simply this, at the end of the day, finishing 2nd is a bigger achievement than finishing 3rd and below. Last season, even though United did not win the EPL, didn’t United achieve a greater success than Arsenal in the league?
It is funny that people can argue otherwise, as it is a straightforward, 1+1 =2 kind of reality
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