Allan Saint-Maximin

[Teja]

Mane had a much better output. Mane wasnt as fancy, but was a level above at Southampton easily. Saint Maximin is good with the ball and looks threatening, but not often enough something good happens at the end of it.

Dont think he is good enough for a top team. I'd say Wolves, West Ham, Everton. That is his level currently.

Hmm. I think it's partly fitness. The whole of last year he kept playing on and off and yet looked very threatening when he came on as a sub. I thought he had stamina issues or long COVID or something.

Mane had ~0.55 G+A p90 playing for a Southampton that finished 6th / 7th (they had VVD, Alderweirld etc. as part of their side).
Saint Maximin had ~0.4 G+A p90 for a much worse Newcastle side.

I don't think he'll be very far away if he stays fit and starts 30+ games this season.

 

[lysglimt]

I have been very critical of Traore - and I see much the same with Saint Maximin (although not quite as bad) - he is almost unstopable, but there is so little end-product. The guy has scored 22 goals in his professional career in 200+ matches, and he is turning 25 near the end of the season. If he is to take the step to the next level - he needs to turn his skills into efficiency. For players like him and Traore to play as wingers with all their skills and average 3 goals a season - it's just not good enough, even when you play for Wolves or Newcastle.

 

[lysglimt]

Hmm. I think it's partly fitness. The whole of last year he kept playing on and off and yet looked very threatening when he came on as a sub. I thought he had stamina issues or long COVID or something.

Mane had ~0.55 G+A p90 playing for a Southampton that finished 6th / 7th (they had VVD, Alderweirld etc. as part of their side).
Saint Maximin had ~0.4 G+A p90 for a much worse Newcastle side.

I don't think he'll be very far away if he stays fit and starts 30+ games this season.

Mane has been a goalscorer all his life. He scored 1 every 2 matches in Austria and 1 in 3 for Southampton. Saint Maximin was 1 in 7 in France and 1 in 8 in the Premier League. It's not even the same level. Saint Maximin has never scored goals.

 

[spiriticon]

I've always like Saint-Maximin's spirit for the game but he's not a Man United level player unfortunately. Certainly not at this moment in time anyway. He'll struggle to get past Lingard in the manager's plans.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

One of those that will probably struggle in a bigger team because he will have less space to attack and will be closed down more quickly.

That being said, him and Traore in the same team would be a good side to watch. I predict 0 goals, 0 assists but about 20 dribbles each per game.

I would absolutely shit myself watching those two carve our defenders up while we won 3-0.

 

[redrobed]

I've always like Saint-Maximin's spirit for the game but he's not a Man United level player unfortunately. Certainly not at this moment in time anyway. He'll struggle to get past Lingard in the manager's plans.

I mostly agree with this. I do think if he’d accept being a bit-part player though he could be extremely effective for us coming off the bench for 10/20 minutes in games against strong opposition. Imagine being 1-0 up vs a Liverpool or a City with them chucking the kitchen sink at us and being able to bring him on against tired legs.

Edit: Newcastle would want upwards of £40m for him though at a guess so probably not worth it.

 

[Bastian]

I think he would be the difference for a team like Leeds, Villa or West Ham. Wasted at Newcastle. Such an exciting player.

 

[Bastian]

I have been very critical of Traore - and I see much the same with Saint Maximin (although not quite as bad) - he is almost unstopable, but there is so little end-product. The guy has scored 22 goals in his professional career in 200+ matches, and he is turning 25 near the end of the season. If he is to take the step to the next level - he needs to turn his skills into efficiency. For players like him and Traore to play as wingers with all their skills and average 3 goals a season - it's just not good enough, even when you play for Wolves or Newcastle.

I'm in no way saying he's as good, but players sometimes take a while to get going. Mahrez didn't really have a breakout season until he was 24, so Saint-Maximin's goal record to date is less of a factor than watching him in the last season and now. He is clearly a very dangerous player with a good end product playing in an absolutely atrocious side.

 

[bond19821982]

I have been very critical of Traore - and I see much the same with Saint Maximin (although not quite as bad) - he is almost unstopable, but there is so little end-product. The guy has scored 22 goals in his professional career in 200+ matches, and he is turning 25 near the end of the season. If he is to take the step to the next level - he needs to turn his skills into efficiency. For players like him and Traore to play as wingers with all their skills and average 3 goals a season - it's just not good enough, even when you play for Wolves or Newcastle.

And he is playing for Newcastle. Probably not a top 4 player,but definitely good enough for 4-8.

 

[lysglimt]

I'm in no way saying he's as good, but players sometimes take a while to get going. Mahrez didn't really have a breakout season until he was 24, so Saint-Maximin's goal record to date is less of a factor than watching him in the last season and now. He is clearly a very dangerous player with a good end product playing in an absolutely atrocious side.

I just have a feeling that when this season is over - Saint Maximin will have scored 3 or 4 goals.

 

[CallyRed]

Fergie, sign him up.

 

[Castia]

Wonder how long it will be before someone signs him he’s much better than Newcastle

 

[Mickeza]

Wonder how long it will be before someone signs him he’s much better than Newcastle

He’s everything that people hype Traore up to be - difference is he has intelligence. Can see Liverpool going for him next year.

 

[Samid]

Wonder how long it will be before someone signs him he’s much better than Newcastle

I think his dodgy injury record is the problem. If not he'd be at a bigger club. Guy is box office.

 

[432JuanMata]

I think his dodgy injury record is the problem. If not he'd be at a bigger club. Guy is box office.

Imagine a top manager moulding him ? I’m all for Bruce but that isn’t helping ASM at all the guy potential is so high he has scary talent

 

[Champ]

He's a good player no doubt.

Carries the ball so so well.

Miles better than Adama Traore also.

 

[chiz2kul]

He's a good player no doubt.

Carries the ball so so well.

Miles better than Adama Traore also.

agree. Quick footed and intelligent on the ball. Surprised bigger clubs havent come calling.

 

[432JuanMata]

agree. Quick footed and intelligent on the ball. Surprised bigger clubs havent come calling.

Injuries and inconsistentcy be the reasons but if he keeps up his level so far for this season he will be gone

 

[marktan]

Fergie would've 100% signed him by now. He's the closest thing to Nani in the league, can beat a man for ease with pace and has a good shot and final ball.

I've said it before and got stick for it but I think he's better than Sancho, and far more suited to the league with his pace and dribbling ability. Just plays at a proper shit team, he'd easily get 15+ goals/assists a season if he played for a team like Liverpool. It'll be annoying watching him getting picked up by one of the other big 6 teams while we look to sign whatever flavour of the month appears next.

 

[sullydnl]

Great to watch but injury prone and doesn't provide enough actual output. 6 goals and 8 assists from 51 PL games in his two seasons at Newcastle isn't enough to attract top sides, I'd have thought.

 

[the_box]

tbh I wouldn't be surprised if some of the injuries aren't down to him overexerting himself to make us not look as dire as we are

 

[One Night Only]

tbh I wouldn't be surprised if some of the injuries aren't down to him overexerting himself to make us not look as dire as we are

He looks like he's been limping a few times tonight starting in the first half.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I don't think he's that injury prone, the bandage on his head just gives people that impression

 

[FootyGirl88]

Why has he stopped wearing the Gucci headband?

 

[432JuanMata]

I don't think he's that injury prone, the bandage on his head just gives people that impression

Well injury prone might be the wrong word but he missed 17 games for Newcastle with 3 different injuries last season alone

 

[marktan]

Well injury prone might be the wrong word but he missed 17 games for Newcastle with 3 different injuries last season alone

Great to watch but injury prone and doesn't provide enough actual output. 6 goals and 8 assists from 51 PL games in his two seasons at Newcastle isn't enough to attract top sides, I'd have thought.

His injury record isn't actually bad. He played 3 full seasons in France, his first season at Newcastle he did get injured and miss 12 games in the league, but last season he was actually out for around 2 months with Covid which officially is listed as an injury he picked up prior to that. He would've played 30+ games in the league had it not been for Covid.

Also I think the goals/assist criticism isn't fair, the surest way to see his quality is that he does something good every time he get's the ball. It's a bit Grealish like. It's not his fault when he passes the ball to Joelinton it's more likely to get passed to the opposition, nor that Almiron can't finish to save his life. Even in the sample size of one game today you can see it, he passes it to Joelinton in the box and the ball gets lost. Otherwise he takes a man on and gets a ball in or a strong shot off. His stats would be far higher at a top 6 team.

 

[432JuanMata]

His injury record isn't actually bad. He played 3 full seasons in France, his first season at Newcastle he did get injured and miss 12 games in the league, but last season he was actually out for around 2 months with Covid which officially is listed as an injury he picked up prior to that. He would've played 30+ games in the league had it not been for Covid.

Also I think the goals/assist criticism isn't fair, the surest way to see his quality is that he does something good every time he get's the ball. It's a bit Grealish like. It's not his fault when he passes the ball to Joelinton it's more likely to get passed to the opposition, nor that Almiron can't finish to save his life. Even in the sample size of one game today you can see it, he passes it to Joelinton in the box and the ball gets lost. Otherwise he takes a man on and gets a ball in or a strong shot off. His stats would be far higher at a top 6 team.

Last season he missed 11 games with a calf injury. But yeah I get your point as I looked at his record and last season seems a one off.

Also agree with his stats criticism as he is one of those players that is putting together his game and even if he doesn’t get a goal or assist he causes panic which frees up space for other players.
Playing for Newcastle doesn’t help either and this season he has 2 goals and 2 assists for a team that have 2 points. He needs a top manager to mould the last bit of his game and he will be a worldie.

 

[432JuanMata]

5 games, 2 goals and 2 assists for a team that has 2 points. This is a huge deal as most see how good he is but his stats weren’t the best even though he causes mayhem.
He will be at a top club next season and if he continues like this for the coming season I would take him here

 

[marktan]

Last season he missed 11 games with a calf injury. But yeah I get your point as I looked at his record and last season seems a one off.

Also agree with his stats criticism as he is one of those players that is putting together his game and even if he doesn’t get a goal or assist he causes panic which frees up space for other players.
Playing for Newcastle doesn’t help either and this season he has 2 goals and 2 assists for a team that have 2 points. He needs a top manager to mould the last bit of his game and he will be a worldie.

I believe that calf injury is the one listed for the covid duration. He was out from November to January because of covid, I believe he was fit not too long after the injury but covid kept him out for most of that period.

I agree with you though on the last bit, the only weakness I see in his game currently is that he doesn't really make the right runs sometimes. But I think that's because mostly he expects to have to receive he ball to feet and make something happen. Playing at a team where he can sit on the edge of the box and beat a man 1v1 and get a shot on or make the final pass, his numbers would shoot right up.

 

[VidaRed]

Can we do a swap deal ? Lingard and Jones for him. Bruce might do us a favour!

 

[432JuanMata]

Can we do a swap deal ? Lingard and Jones for him. Bruce might do us a favour!

I don’t think Bruce will be there in the next window even if he wanted too do us a favour

 

[AaronRedDevil]

He's a really nice player to have on your team. Like a much better version of James. His footwork is great. Arsenal could really use someone like him. Can't see any of the top 6 need him.

 

[One Night Only]

I don't think he's that injury prone, the bandage on his head just gives people that impression

 

[Lebowski]

I have a big soft spot for him as every time I watch Newcastle their game plan seems to be keep it tight and get the ball to St Maximan, and more often than not he creates something out of nothing.

He seems like a nice lad too- I don't ever remember him kicking up a fuss or angling for a move. He seems to have genuine affection for Steve Bruce and expresses a huge amount of gratitude to him for giving him the platform to play in the PL.

 

[One Night Only]

For those wanting him at utd, where does he actually fit in? Who does he take the place of in the team?

 

[VidaRed]

 

[VidaRed]

For those wanting him at utd, where does he actually fit in? Who does he take the place of in the team?

Sancho and rashford have to fight for a spot in the starting team. Just because we spunked a decent amount on sancho doesn't mean he gets a free pass.

Plus he's the perfect player to get off the bench to change the game.

 

[VivaRonaldo85]

In short sharp bursts he’s unstoppable. But it’s tiny hits then injury and averageness so no good for a big club.

 

[jesperjaap]

I think he would be the difference for a team like Leeds, Villa or West Ham. Wasted at Newcastle. Such an exciting player.

Agree fully with this. I cant believe nobody came in for him in the summer. Is he a first elven started game in game out for the top four, probably not, probably a bit part player but better than most of the options from the bench bar City.

But he is certainly a level above Newcastle and could be a star player for several clubs around the top four. Imagine what he adds to a Leicester, West Ham, SPurs or Villa. I think the Traore comparisons are a bit unfair though I get it with the stats. He doesnt get enough goals but his versatiity. intelligence and end product is defeinately better in my opinion. Traore is just apowerhouse runnign with the ball and offers little else, I dont see that with Maximin, offers far more

 

[suheilsworld]

Would be an ideal martial replacement