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Might as well replace him with one of the caftards here in the bench. Both wont get any game time either and one does not cost arm and leg
Based on fecking what? is this your imagination? DvB is way more physical than Fred. And in the games he's played this season (pre-season and cup) he's shown to be much better holding midfielder than Fred.
That's just nonsense. He played very well against Young Boys and after he was taken off we fell apart and lost complete control of the midfield. Maybe it is a coincidence. But then he played well against West Ham, too. For the first time in ages we actually controlled the midfield and dominated the game. Again, he was dropped after that game.To a degree. Not only game time counts. If he was good enough in training he would get more minutes. He hasn't shown himself at all in the game he has gotten.
And to be frank, he isn't Veron quality either
Tldr; conspiracy theory?The reason Donny doesnt play for me is clear: This was an ed Woodward/glazers signing
and not Ole's choice! Let me explain.
From the beginning this became internal politics where Ed Woodward CAN buy the players without Ole consent however Ole WILL decide who plays. If Donny does well, Ed Woodward ( I know he left but that is not the point)and Glazers gain power over the manager Ole transfer policy. Therefore if he does well Ole would have less say on future transfers. In a paradoxical way Ole can't let him be a success to keep control on the signings. As it stands Ed Woodward's signing Donny isn't doing well. Ole has bigger say on the signings. if Donny does too well or he uses him a lot then the club direction will point and it will happen again: he will be given players he didn't choose .
Ole is not Ferguson but fergy if given a player he didn't put on the list of players to go after would be pissed and Ole is the same. whether feegy told him to do this to keep power ( we know sir Alex always mentions about power, and in his autobiographies you can feel that power and control are critical). Perhaps Ferguson didn't tell him to do this but Ole knows this is what fergy and any top manager would do to keep that control. Nevertheless this is a clear power move from Ole who needs to show the money side they can't give him players he doesn't ask for. It has nothing to do with poor Donny' ability. He is just in the middle. The only way Donny plays is if Ole leaves.
Why not sell or loan out Donny? Ole can't have him be to successfully elsewhere or it would look bad on him. No manager wants players that they sell to do too well in their next club for obvious reasons...
Or he could have just told VDB he didn't rate him and VDB would have chose to sign for a different club. If Ole is truly doing as you say, he's a scum.The reason Donny doesnt play for me is clear: This was an ed Woodward/glazers signing
and not Ole's choice! Let me explain.
From the beginning this became internal politics where Ed Woodward CAN buy the players without Ole consent however Ole WILL decide who plays. If Donny does well, Ed Woodward ( I know he left but that is not the point)and Glazers gain power over the manager Ole transfer policy. Therefore if he does well Ole would have less say on future transfers. In a paradoxical way Ole can't let him be a success to keep control on the signings. As it stands Ed Woodward's signing Donny isn't doing well. Ole has bigger say on the signings. if Donny does too well or he uses him a lot then the club direction will point and it will happen again: he will be given players he didn't choose .
Ole is not Ferguson but fergy if given a player he didn't put on the list of players to go after would be pissed and Ole is the same. whether feegy told him to do this to keep power ( we know sir Alex always mentions about power, and in his autobiographies you can feel that power and control are critical). Perhaps Ferguson didn't tell him to do this but Ole knows this is what fergy and any top manager would do to keep that control. Nevertheless this is a clear power move from Ole who needs to show the money side they can't give him players he doesn't ask for. It has nothing to do with poor Donny' ability. He is just in the middle. The only way Donny plays is if Ole leaves.
Why not sell or loan out Donny? Ole can't have him be to successfully elsewhere or it would look bad on him. No manager wants players that they sell to do too well in their next club for obvious reasons...
he's toast if we get beat againIf Ole is truly doing as you say, he's a scum.
Tldr; conspiracy theory?
The reason Donny doesnt play for me is clear: This was an ed Woodward/glazers signing
and not Ole's choice! Let me explain.
From the beginning this became internal politics where Ed Woodward CAN buy the players without Ole consent however Ole WILL decide who plays. If Donny does well, Ed Woodward ( I know he left but that is not the point)and Glazers gain power over the manager Ole transfer policy. Therefore if he does well Ole would have less say on future transfers. In a paradoxical way Ole can't let him be a success to keep control on the signings. As it stands Ed Woodward's signing Donny isn't doing well. Ole has bigger say on the signings. if Donny does too well or he uses him a lot then the club direction will point and it will happen again: he will be given players he didn't choose .
Ole is not Ferguson but fergy if given a player he didn't put on the list of players to go after would be pissed and Ole is the same. whether feegy told him to do this to keep power ( we know sir Alex always mentions about power, and in his autobiographies you can feel that power and control are critical). Perhaps Ferguson didn't tell him to do this but Ole knows this is what fergy and any top manager would do to keep that control. Nevertheless this is a clear power move from Ole who needs to show the money side they can't give him players he doesn't ask for. It has nothing to do with poor Donny' ability. He is just in the middle. The only way Donny plays is if Ole leaves.
Why not sell or loan out Donny? Ole can't have him be to successfully elsewhere or it would look bad on him. No manager wants players that they sell to do too well in their next club for obvious reasons...
I'd agree with this, but then it begs the question, why Ole even bought him? Why can't Ole see this before approving the transfer?Donny for me more accurately resembles the inferior argument that went around concerning Sterling being a "system" player rather than one of individual qualities. I think however with Donny this holds truths. When you consider the best players who have played under Solskjaer's tenure I genuinely believe it's not Ole's system that has accounted to player improvement, it seems more like the freedom given to the players to express themselves.
That's why the best players for Ole Cavani, Bruno, Pogba, Mason, Rashford (on form) have excelled be it against the run of play or if the team has put in an average performances. Donny I feel doesn't have enough within his arsenal to complement this type of playing environment as it's too far outside of his natural criteria of influence in a team. I think Donny is more useful under a more refined and philosophical coach where the imperatives are team instructions and positional disciplines (movement, off ball on etc).
Wasn't he bought as Pogbas replacement? Pogba was gone until Covid hit. Pogba stayed so unlucky for Donny. This is football. I feel like the idea of Donny playing is a lot of peoples comfort blanket. 'Everything will be ok if only Ole will play Donny'.I'd agree with this, but then it begs the question, why Ole even bought him? Why can't Ole see this before approving the transfer?
Also, there's also a downside of having too much player that are being given freedom, it led to exactly our problem right now. Not enough control in matches, and it cost us dearly.
You're joking right? In what way is he more physical? He's not really a good presser, and he gets shoved out of possession quite a bit.
It's a weird mood at the moment with people going completely over the top about Donny and absolutely slating Ole.
I hope he gets an extended run in the side before he's sold so we can see if he's good enough to provide what we're lacking in midfield, but it's not like he's been pulling up trees in the chances he's been given so far.
Not sure if he's Pogba replacement. But let say he is, that still doesn't look too good on Ole and the coaching staff either.Wasn't he bought as Pogbas replacement? Pogba was gone until Covid hit. Pogba stayed so unlucky for Donny. This is football. I feel like the idea of Donny playing is a lot of peoples comfort blanket. 'Everything will be ok if only Ole will play Donny'.
What would be worse if Pogba did go and Ole didn't have a replacement signed up. The fans wouldn't have stood for that. Grealish was ideal but way too expensive as I understood it. Donny was a sound buy but because Pogba stayed it just hasn't worked out as it was meant to. Apart from McFreds positions, United are strong in all positions and Donny wont lay a claim to any of them. If he stays he will only ever be a bit part player. I don't think he wants this and I dont think it's what he was promised. All a bit of a mess really. He certainly has no right to minutes though from what I've seen.Not sure if he's Pogba replacement. But let say he is, that still doesn't look too good on Ole and the coaching staff either.
Why agree to buy him when you're not sure Pogba was leaving or not? Also he's not competing with Pogba at the moment, he's competing with McFred and Matic.
This is also not a good look that when the coaching staff realize that Pogba isn't going anywhere, they didn't come up with a plan for either integrating him to the first team, or sell him when they can't.
For the record, I don't think everything is OK if Ole start playing Donny, because I think United would not start playing the kind of football that Donny will flourish just because he started in midfield. Ole kind of football was never gonna change from what we have seen so far, quick passing to the wings and striker with little focus on possession
Donny had over 1500 minutes game time last season. He showed a few glimpses of talent in all those minutes. For the most part he looked lost and confused and like he was trying too hard. He gave the ball away a lot and stopped flow many times by passing straight back to the person that passed to him, therefore halting the pace of the attack.
There is a reason his own team mates were looking for any pass other than to Donny last season, he was largely ignored even by his own players. There is no way he will get in over Pogba, Bruno or Jesse. Maybe as a number 6 then? Possibly.
These conspiracy theories are laughable. He simply hasn't been good enough (like a few other players). There is still time though if he stops sulking and fights for his place like Jesse is doing. No-one is entitled to a start at United. You have to earn it.
I'm not pretending anything mate. Donny has been given a reasonable chance to stake his claim on a number of positions. I understand about consistency and confidence, that aside, if he still can't impress the manager in 1500+ mins in all comps then maybe he isn't quite as good as people like to think he is. I like Donny but this weird make-a-wish foundation cult is mental. If he is good enough to play for United, he will play for united. Personally Id like to see more of players like Hanibal and Amad in a United shirt1500 minutes is 16 games considering we played 50+ it isn’t much. Then on top of that those minutes came mainly from the bench in cameo appearances once every 3 weeks.
Let’s not pretend Donny has been given a fair run in the team did he ever start 2-3 games back to back? I remember he scored on his debut ( from the bench) and didn’t play again for about 3 weeks.
The whole transfer is just bizarre. We pay 40m for him and he’s barely even a squad player in a position we need to improve. Ole generally likes McFred the scary situation is going into future windows thinking our midfield is ok because clearly it isn’t.
I'm not pretending anything mate. Donny has been given a reasonable chance to stake his claim on a number of positions. I understand about consistency and confidence, that aside, if he still can't impress the manager in 1500+ mins in all comps then maybe he isn't quite as good as people like to think he is.
He’s played against the weaker teams almost always and still didn’t impress, I don’t know what fans expect of him.
My opinion is that he is just not suited for us. I see him playing in a 3 man midfield, in a team that moves the ball quicker and presses a lot which we are not.
Seriously? Donnie better than Fred or McT??????Please posts the highlights where McFred have done any of the above. Scott and Fred beat a man off the dribble? McT was in almost every position a 6 shouldn’t have been in tonight as a 6. Never showing for the ball. Giving DVB a decent run of games can not seriously be worse than most games mcfred put out and I rate them more than most.
Did MCT play as DM last night?Seriously? Donnie better than Fred or McT??????
They arent the best but those two are better players, also does Donny play DM????????
Some of you are deluded
He's a classic case of a player who has done almost nothing when on the pitch being made out to be some superstar of a player being frozen out for no good reason. After all this time, Ole and the coaching team seeing him everyday in training, we might have to consider the a) he doesn't suit our play; b) he's possibly a bit shite. Now I agree it is odd that if the manager and coaches have such reservations that we kept him around the place, maybe they should have cut him loose, but please calm down with all this talk that he should start every week - he's not taken the chances, albeit limited chances, that he has had.
I never saw last nights game. McT has been playing DM most times in the last couple of seasons. I originally asked who Donny would replace?Did MCT play as DM last night?
I fundamentally disagree with you on the minutes bit. It doesn’t paint the story at all with how those minutes were allocated and how infrequent they were. Virtually no player can impress or stake any sort of claim, especially as a midfielder where you’re relied on to create. Defenders just have to defend, attackers just have to make runs or get off shots. VDB can’t just do what’s expected of him on demand. His position, creating requires settling in.
Now that’s rather disingenuous to say because he’s also played against weaker teams with a weaker squad/weaker teammates around him. Even Bruno has looked ineffective when he’s had to play with the 2nd tier players on the squad. That’s not to say Bruno isn’t impressive now is it?
Maybe you’re right. Maybe he isn’t suited for us. But the only way to find out is giving a fair and consistent stretch of appearances. And speaking of which when he did start in the past alongside Bruno and United created loads of chances (forget who the opponent was), for some reason that lineup was never given another chance despite the fact they dominated.
…generally I’m not one to cry Wolf. However this instance, it’s clear as day VDB has only been set up to fail. He really is the victim of this and it’s been totally out of his hands.
He's a classic case of a player who has done almost nothing when on the pitch being made out to be some superstar of a player being frozen out for no good reason. After all this time, Ole and the coaching team seeing him everyday in training, we might have to consider the a) he doesn't suit our play; b) he's possibly a bit shite. Now I agree it is odd that if the manager and coaches have such reservations that we kept him around the place, maybe they should have cut him loose, but please calm down with all this talk that he should start every week - he's not taken the chances, albeit limited chances, that he has had.
If Ole based his decisions on what the fans think then he isn't suited to be a Manchester United manager.What would be worse if Pogba did go and Ole didn't have a replacement signed up. The fans wouldn't have stood for that. Grealish was ideal but way too expensive as I understood it. Donny was a sound buy but because Pogba stayed it just hasn't worked out as it was meant to. Apart from McFreds positions, United are strong in all positions and Donny wont lay a claim to any of them. If he stays he will only ever be a bit part player. I don't think he wants this and I dont think it's what he was promised. All a bit of a mess really. He certainly has no right to minutes though from what I've seen.