[DomesticTadpole]

What did Ole have to say after this. I switched off for a while.

 

[Frosty]

Ten Haag isn’t
He’s an eleven

But you’re right, no one’s moving until the summer and the Glazers know it

Sorry, I meant there are fewer than ten managers I can think of who we should appoint!

I haven't seen much of Ten Hag, but if he is available and can impose a clear style of play and direction of travel, then I will bow to the greater knowledge of others as to whether we should approach him.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

That's an awful stat it has to be said. The goal we gave away today was extremely pure from everyone involved.

Just underlines what a weird side we are. Brilliant stat to be unbeaten away for so long but our home form? Wow

 

[DomesticTadpole]

That's as may be, but only two managers (post-war) have won the league with United, and only three have won a European trophy.

It just strikes me that if we replace Ole (and I am coming round to the necessity of that) we need a manager of the highest level to compete and win trophies given the level of competition that exists especially in the EPL. I am just not sure whether Rodgers is that man, and worry that we could appoint him we will be back in a similar position having similar discussions three years down the line.

They need a manager who the players have respect for and fear for their places.

 

[Withnail]

Why not? His Leicester side bossed us in the fa cup and have beaten us at OT. He would be presiding over a top side 4 if not for injuries last season and the season before. I’d put money on them winning Europa this season. He’s a very good manager with more credentials than Ole.

They'll be lucky to get out of their group, let alone win the thing.

 

[largelyworried]

We must be the only team in the world to play with 2 DMs and be so easy to attack against. It's some effort tbh.

The McFred Paradox

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Sorry, I meant there are fewer than ten managers I can think of who we should appoint!

I haven't seen much of Ten Hag, but if he is available and can impose a clear style of play and direction of travel, then I will bow to the greater knowledge of others as to whether we should approach him.

Watch Ajax or read what other coaches say about him. Definite style with players knowing their role

 

[Inigo Montoya]

The McFred Paradox

Sounds like a sci fi movie

 

[Withnail]

Just underlines what a weird side we are. Brilliant stat to be unbeaten away for so long but our home form? Wow

I really thought the home form would improve when fans were back. Hopefully, things settle down and we go on a good run. I'm clinging on to the hope that we are still within touching distance of the top and as bad as some performances have been we're miles ahead of the start we had last year.

 

[Redfrog]

Problem with that is, you’re not getting a top coach in. Forget Zidane or Conte. The board have learned that these big egos don’t work at Utd. Sack him and we’d be left with Carrick as caretaker.

So he’s with us till the end of the season. Get used to it

Don’t you think SAF was a big ego ?
His ego was so big, he was the club !

 

[OleTheGreat]

Wow! That game was decent but never gave the crowd something that they wanted. I always think we struggle when we are have more ball possession. We had more than 60% of the ball in the first half but the ball side going from side to side and backwards. I actually dozed off and woke up when the crowd went berserk for the Martial goal. The second half started well and then again we started repeating the pattern. But overall I think we did a little better this game when Mctominay, Greenwood, Bruno and Sancho played a few one touch passes and moved quickly. There is very little we do to move the opponents around though. I don't think we have clever players in Fred, Mctominay and Wan Bissaka to actually pass and move into space. There were so many instances where Wan Bissaka just played a pass and ran with the defender than into space. The only player who works really really hard in the team is Bruno but he tries too many extravagant things in a game. If only Cavani had scored that header or Sancho had put one past Pickford from a Ronaldo flick. We wouldn't so much as think about the mistakes but this has been a problem from a long long time. I will never say OleOut but he needs to understand quickly that McFred definitely does not work. He needs to find better balance or try a formation that suits the players. I rather we try 4-4-2 and play the United way rather tham 4-2-3-1.

De Gea
AWB Varane Maguire/Lindelof Shaw
Sancho Mctominay Pogba/Bruno Rashford/Martial
Greenwood Ronaldo/Cavani

Sancho and Rashford will both track back. Bruno or Pogba have amazing passing skills and will get on the head/ feet of the strikers. Sancho and Rashford will both tug on the lines and widen the play and it can all be congested and faster in attack. 4-2-3-1 formation sucks when you have a lot of ball possession. It is more of a counter-attacking style. So is 4-4-2 but I think it will work better because we can have one sitting midfielder in Mctominay to just pass it to Pogba or Bruno and the rest will be magic. I hope he tries it someday.

 

[yamo123x]

Shocking again

 

[OrcaFat]

I'm not panicking. It's a fair observation from his time here.

I don't think the Americans will make a change but I just can't see us reaching the summit with 'Ole at the wheel' I wish we could, I'd love it to be him but sadly, he is just coming up short.

The excuses/reasons are wearing thin. It's time to talk less and produce more.

Oh yes, I didn’t mean you were panicking. I think the board shouldn’t panic and they won’t.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

I

It was always zero because we didn't buy a top DM. That would have given us an outside chance. To have a good chance you need to play high press.

It would have helped (I'd go KP personally) but when we're 30 yards out against 8, 9 players, we look limited in options and when we have Pogba, Bruno, Ronaldo, Sancho, Greenwood on the pitch, that's not good enough. Coaches, players and manager.

 

[Joseunited]

So are you off then?

Can he take Ole with him?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Don’t you think SAF was a big ego ?
His ego was so big, he was the club !

That's true, but most of his tenure he was dealing with Martin Edwards or David Gill who really did have the clubs reputation at heart.

 

[Conor]

The amount of meaningful individual mistakes our players make at key moments is just a joke, I can't say I have seen any other team have this issue on such a consistent basis, even properly shite ones in the relegation zone.

 

[wolvored]

Problem with that is, you’re not getting a top coach in. Forget Zidane or Conte. The board have learned that these big egos don’t work at Utd. Sack him and we’d be left with Carrick as caretaker.

So he’s with us till the end of the season. Get used to it

Can Carrick till the end of season be any worse?

 

[VidaRed]

What did Ole have to say after this. I switched off for a while.

Apparently he was smiling.

 

[VP89]

we had 72% possession

Its not that it would have been false. Its more that its clutching at straws if you created feck all.

 

[gerdm07]

I'm starting to see a pattern and I saw it with West Ham, YB, Villa and Everton. We play really well for a good spell of the 1st half and in each match it looks like it will be a comfortable win. Then we miss a few good chances. And then the opposition has 1 or 2 very good chances during the half and doubt sets in. With YB it was also the red card of course. The doubt lingers into the 2nd half and then we start playing worse and worse.

- Should DDG have come out for the goal? He was in no man's land for GKs, either rush out or stay closer to your line. Too easy of a goal.
- I'm not sure why Cavani came out so early. He didn't look tired and holding the extra sub would have given Ole more options.
- Martial almost looked good.
- I really liked the temp in the 1st half, even McT and Fred were playing quick. More of that please.

I still have naive hope that we can challenge for the PL title. The team is capable of going on a really good streak.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I

It would have helped (I'd go KP personally) but when we're 30 yards out against 8, 9 players, we look limited in options and when we have Pogba, Bruno, Ronaldo, Sancho, Greenwood on the pitch, that's not good enough. Coaches, players and manager.

It's alright saying we needed a DM. It would still be the same manager and coaches involved who cannot get a tune out of the players we have already. He is desperate for Rice, if Chelsea get involved, forget it.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Apparently he was smiling.

Saw that, which was probably why I switched off.

 

[groovyalbert]

Why not? His Leicester side bossed us in the fa cup and have beaten us at OT. He would be presiding over a top side 4 if not for injuries last season and the season before. I’d put money on them winning Europa this season. He’s a very good manager with more credentials than Ole.

Look at his European record, and he's a perennial table bottler.

Every time he's looked like finishing somewhere meaningful, he's bottled it.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Look at his European record, and he's a perennial table bottler.

Every time he's looked like finishing somewhere meaningful, he's bottled it.

Yeah, the same I have gone off him as a manager here.

 

[ClosetDevil]

Could someone please kindly explain to me what Fred actually does and why does he ever even start on this team? Surely he's a liability at this point.

 

[Tomuś]

Enough for this to be a good performance. And enough to have given us a good chance to win the game.

Tbf Everton created as many in the first half alone.

 

[abailey123]

Feels like a massive, massive opportunity missed today.
I expect us to contend for the title this year - playing like that we’ll struggle for top 4.
Fred was pathetic up against Gray - take him out and take a yellow.
We don’t tactical foul, it’s a thing in modern football and we just seem immune to it.
Oles subs although at the right time, where for the wrong players. Martial needs to come off as he’s injured but Cavani looks bright as a button. Keep him off and take Greenwood off.
We need to really step up 2 or 3 gears after the international break. Liverpool, city and Chelsea before December.
I love Ole to bits & would love to see him lead us to success but if results don’t go well before the next international break he’s done for. I’d have Conte on speed dial.

 

[Redfrog]

That's true, but most of his tenure he was dealing with Martin Edwards or David Gill who really did have the clubs reputation at heart.

What does that mean ? Really, I did not understand.

Fergie was safe because he delivered. Once he put the club back on the map he never finished lower than third and won 13 premier leagues in 26 years at the club.
Problem is not ego, Mourinho and Van Gaal problems were that they were past it and narcissistic, made it all about them. I don’t think that most of the best managers are like that.

 

[largelyworried]

Its not that it would have been false. Its more that its clutching at straws if you created feck all.

Yeah there was a lot of pointless possession, holding the ball in deep areas. We don't seem to be able to use possession to control the game - we don't move the ball well into attacking areas, or pin teams back and make them struggle. Its more like the opposition is happy to let us have the ball, knowing we struggle to use it.

 

[Revan]

Not even caring anymore and not watching United till he is out. Shame cause I would love to watch Ronaldo, but now it is just painful watching United play under this clueless joke of a manager.

 

[largelyworried]

That's true, but most of his tenure he was dealing with Martin Edwards or David Gill who really did have the clubs reputation at heart.

Christ. Ed Wooward really has done wonders for their reputations.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

What does that mean ? Really, I did not understand.

Fergie was safe because he delivered. Once he put the club back on the map he never finished lower than third and won 13 premier leagues in 26 years at the club.
Problem is not ego, Mourinho and Van Gaal problems were that they were past it and narcissistic, made it all about them. I don’t think that most of the best managers are like that.

The board he dealt with did everything in their power to give him the best they could. The best coaches, the best facilities at the time. This board have let things slide on all things involved with the club. There was more of a connection with the manager and board, SAF would have direct contact. Not having to go through a long line of go-betweens.

 

[Deery]

Didn’t play too badly but it’s a second string Everton side and any team with aspirations of winning the league would have won 3/4-0..

 

[Handsome Devil]

Don't know what Carrick was listening to on his pods but it sure as shit wasn't Brilliant Corners by Thelonious Monk.

 

[Joseunited]

Didn’t play too badly but it’s a second string Everton side and any team with aspirations of winning the league would have won 3/4-0..

So actually we didn't play very well?

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Something is very wrong, everytime we are attack we really look shaky. And our defenders costs almost 200 mil with 2 DMs covering them.

 

[RuudTom83]

It happens so often, United just make it easy for teams to score against them.

At 1-0 it’s obvious that Everton will have to attack more, so why not sit back and hit them on the counter. A tactic United are best at.

Naive at best.

 

[Deery]

So actually we didn't play very well?

No, we played okay but okay isn’t enough against second string teams were 3 points are a must.

Like how Chelsea are blowing away Southampton..

 

[justsomebloke]

Martial's goal. Cavani's header.

Surely a strong, very good, fluid and efficient performance at home to a depleted Everton can create more than that?

Tbf Everton created as many in the first half alone.

And suddenly, that's the only aspect of the game that matters? Just like the only thing that matters about Everton is that they're "depleted"?

Everton is a strong team, with or without injuries. As they've shown all season. In much the same way as they showed today. We won't be the only big team they'll create trouble for, and to talk as if it is in itself and self-evidently a travesty not to beat them at home is ridiculous.

If you watched the Villa game, and the Villarreal game, and then this, and think those looked anything like similar, then sorry, you're watching with either your eyes or your mind closed. We were miles better today than we were in those games. Still not enough end product, true, but that part of it too was improved.