Would you take Conte at United?

[Korwas]

I posted this in another thread a few weeks ago, Goals For in Contes last 4 seasons as a manager compared to other managers in the same seasons.
Conte
16-17: 85
17-18: 62
19-20: 81
20-21: 89
Total GF: 317

Klopp
16-17: 78
17-18: 84
19-20: 85
20-21: 68
Total GF: 315

Pep
16-17: 80
17-18: 106
19-20: 102
20-21: 83
Total GF: 371

Simeone
16-17: 70
17-18: 58
19-20: 51
20-21: 67
Total GF: 247

Mourinho
16-17: 54
17-18: 68*
19-20: 61*
20-21: 68
Total GF: 251
*only coached half season, used team total for full season

Man United
16-17: 54
17-18: 68
19-20: 66
20-21: 73
Total GF: 261

People view Conte like he is a Simeone type when his teams actually score like Klopps.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

Sadly he’s the only good option after Zidane. You need someone who has trophies to back up his talk. Otherwise we’ll have another Moyes situation. How is Ronnie and Varane gonna respect a manager that’s never won a trophy. Also maybe that’s why we also might need a defensive manager. We concede a lot. Someone who knows how to defend as well as attack would be good.

 

[Barthez]

Absolutely not!

 

[Abraxas]

Absolutely not. A boring, highly egotistical but brilliant manager. If he doesn't get the results it becomes a Mourinho situation where there are no redeeming features to fall back on. Maybe he gets those results, maybe he doesn't, but it's not a gamble I like the look of. He's a Chelsea manager and not a Manchester United manager.

We should be looking for attacking managers, maybe a manager that would be taking a slight step up but has an exceptional track record to date. Somebody that will mesh with the club in terms of the youth players and become part of the furniture. To somebody like Conte we're just another club on the CV.

I don't know who these managers are but thankfully it's not my job to identify them. Appointing managers is not an easy task.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

I absolutely would. He's a winner. I'd prefer him over Zidane, who I still have doubts about, as absurd as that sounds.

 

[NWRed]

Yeah, what we need is a manager who throws his toys out of the pram when he doesn't get exactly what he wants. I don't recall us ever having a manager like that before, and even if we have I'm sure it definitely wasn't a fecking disaster.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Yeah, what we need is a manager who throws his toys out of the pram when he doesn't get exactly what he wants. I don't recall us ever having a manager like that before, and even if we have I'm sure it definitely wasn't a fecking disaster.

If winning trophies is a "disaster" then Ole's reign has been an absolute catastrophe. That second place finish, though. Amazing. Jose did that, too.

 

[lilcurt]

At this point I am literally ABO (anyone but Ole).

Conte wouldn't be my first choice but would still be many levels better than what we have now. I really like the Ajax manager and think he will be the next big thing for someone. If the club demanded an experienced winner, out of those available it's probably Zidane at the moment.

 

[FootyGirl88]

I think he's the only one that could go toe to toe with Pep, Klopp and Tuchel.

 

[Matt851]

Yeah, what we need is a manager who throws his toys out of the pram when he doesn't get exactly what he wants. I don't recall us ever having a manager like that before, and even if we have I'm sure it definitely wasn't a fecking disaster.

To be fair the biggest problem with mourinho is that he was clearly past his best by the point we hired him. The same cant be said of conte

 

[VP89]

I think he's the only one that could go toe to toe with Pep, Klopp and Tuchel.

Why do you feel Zidane or Ten Hag can't?

 

[FootyGirl88]

Why do you feel Zidane or Ten Hag can't?

Hmm not sure about Zidane, Ten Hag could but hes not available right now.

 

[Bebestation]

I know this is 100% wrong - but I'm not big fans of a manager that feels like they have to use a striker like Lukaku in their tactics.

 

[VP89]

Hmm not sure about Zidane, Ten Hag could but hes not available right now.

Zidane is more accomplished than Conte and doesn't burn bridges on his way out

 

[villain]

I'd only take him on a short-term caretaker role while we line up someone like Ten Hag.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I’d take neither him nor Zidane.

Next time, a modern, progressive manager with incredible proven coaching skills. I think we should be keeping a really close eye on Potter this season. Ten Hag (mentioned above) is another.

If we’re not getting that, keep Ole.

 

[Fts 74]

Ten hag or someone like Potter for me.

I understand the reservations about appointing someone like Potter after the moyes debacle but he was on a hiding to nothing after Fergie and Everton hardly played good football.Potter's Brighton look very well drilled why can't he transfer that to better players?I suppose the biggest difficulty he might have is getting the players onside as he isn't a "big name".

Knowing the way we operate though, we'll probably go after the big name like zidane.

 

[VivaRonaldo85]

Three of the top four managers are German. Klopp, Tuchel & Nagelsman. Any good young managers in Germany in this mould coming through? If I was United, I’d be all over that Bundesliga scouting managers and coaches.

For instant improvement, Conte would be good but he’s in the Mourinho camp of causing disruption if he doesn’t get his own way. Something niggling at me about him. I’d go for Zidane if we needed a proven winner with a big reputation tomorrow.

 

[Josep Dowling]

I know this is 100% wrong - but I'm not big fans of a manager that feels like they have to use a striker like Lukaku in their tactics.

He made Lukaku into a beast of a player and we have Ronaldo as a CF?

 

[Chicharo]

I'd rather Moyes came back than that cnut

Why? Let's face it, we don't have Becks, Scholes, Keano nor Giggs....
After all these years, I don't care if we play an "ugly football" I only care about the trophies

 

[izak]

Conte is even more volatile than Jose and seems to fall out with everyone just as quick. It would be a bizarre appointment after Ole and I dont think theres a chance we would entertain it.
Also if you have a siege mentality manager like Conte/Jose you need the fan base etc 100% behind them for it to work because they will act the maggot at times and fall out with their own players.
A lot of our fanbase despised Jose from the off to the extent that winning under Jose wouldnt count in their eyes. Im not sure Conte would be much more popular and its very hard to succeed in those circumstances.
We will go for someone who will take Oles team to the next level not rip it all up.
A big no to Conte

It won't be!! Hand him an 18 months deal with a clause of wining either one of the Big trophies and watch him work his magic, his relentless drive to win would take over him and push this Group of talent into League or UCL glory come May, He's the surest bet we can have right now, by the the end of this current season we can review his position base on his Achievements.

Our problem is we want the next Sir Alex, they can never be no one like him, we should stop giving managers long term contracts, their Jobs should be made plan and simple "come in and deliver"!! Now that we've got a DOF we can sign players with or without a managers discussion and hire or fire coaches base on results.

 

[reelworld]

This same logic got us LVG and Jose. Better pay Roma and get Jose back I think. Conte hasn't won a single CL yet and Jose won two.

Ridiculous logic.
We shouldn't hire a competent and winning manager because we got butthurt by a couple of winning managers past their best?
This is how we stay in mediocrity.

 

[EtH]

Ridiculous logic.
We shouldn't hire a competent and winning manager because we got butthurt by a couple of winning managers past their best?
This is how we stay in mediocrity.

-------Ronaldo-Cavani
----------------Bruno
Shaw----Fred-McT------AWB
-Magurie-Varane-Lindelof
-----------------DDG
Bench: Greenwood Rashford Sancho
-
Yeah. Looks mint, mate.

 

[kthanksbye]

I posted this in another thread a few weeks ago, Goals For in Contes last 4 seasons as a manager compared to other managers in the same seasons.
Conte
16-17: 85
17-18: 62
19-20: 81
20-21: 89
Total GF: 317

Klopp
16-17: 78
17-18: 84
19-20: 85
20-21: 68
Total GF: 315

Pep
16-17: 80
17-18: 106
19-20: 102
20-21: 83
Total GF: 371

Simeone
16-17: 70
17-18: 58
19-20: 51
20-21: 67
Total GF: 247

Mourinho
16-17: 54
17-18: 68*
19-20: 61*
20-21: 68
Total GF: 251
*only coached half season, used team total for full season

Man United
16-17: 54
17-18: 68
19-20: 66
20-21: 73
Total GF: 261

People view Conte like he is a Simeone type when his teams actually score like Klopps.

Thanks for posting this, I've been lurking in this thread since a couple of weeks and the number of times I've seen people say that he plays "boring football" or isn't the "right guy to be manutd manager" (whatever the hell that means), it's clear that none of them have watched his teams play on a regular basis.

Then there's this thing about him complaining when he does not get what he wants, isn't that a good thing, he will call the board out when they're not giving him what he needs.

Obviously the board should first meet with him and listen to what he wants for the next window and the window after that, how is he going to transition when Ronaldo and Cavani leave, how he is going to deal with the Pogba situation, what future does he see for our youngsters, and how is he going to fix our central midfield and defense, what players is he looking at, we hire him only when the board him can come to an agreement.

As far as his football is concerned, he likes to be in control of games with our without the ball, he plays a back 3/5 which will give us good width, he also plays with 2 strikers and a #10 with two CMs, the wingback have the freedom to join attacks, so it's not like he will be defending with 6 players. His teams actually create enough chances, enough for his teams to win league titles.

He's certainly not at the level of Pep or Klopp, but maybe this manutd squad with a couple of additions is what he needs to make that jump. The back 5 still works great if a manager can make his players play it.

 

[Rajma]

Thanks for posting this, I've been lurking in this thread since a couple of weeks and the number of times I've seen people say that he plays "boring football" or isn't the "right guy to be manutd manager" (whatever the hell that means), it's clear that none of them have watched his teams play on a regular basis.

Then there's this thing about him complaining when he does not get what he wants, isn't that a good thing, he will call the board out when they're not giving him what he needs.

Obviously the board should first meet with him and listen to what he wants for the next window and the window after that, how is he going to transition when Ronaldo and Cavani leave, how he is going to deal with the Pogba situation, what future does he see for our youngsters, and how is he going to fix our central midfield and defense, what players is he looking at, we hire him only when the board him can come to an agreement.

As far as his football is concerned, he likes to be in control of games with our without the ball, he plays a back 3/5 which will give us good width, he also plays with 2 strikers and a #10 with two CMs, the wingback have the freedom to join attacks, so it's not like he will be defending with 6 players. His teams actually create enough chances, enough for his teams to win league titles.

He's certainly not at the level of Pep or Klopp, but maybe this manutd squad with a couple of additions is what he needs to make that jump. The back 5 still works great if a manager can make his players play it.

League-wise he clearly is on par with both of them, he run away with EPL with them being in it as well. He’s too a training ground coach and nothing like Jose, Zidane, or Ole for that matter. Those who compare him to Jose, generally, lack football knowledge outside of ManUtd.

 

[kthanksbye]

League-wise he clearly is on par with both of them, he run away with EPL with them being in it as well. He’s too a training ground coach and nothing like Jose, Zidane, or Ole for that matter. Those who compare him to Jose, generally, lack football knowledge outside of ManUtd.

That's right, he does like his players to have total clarity on how they will be playing. He also makes good adjustments and subs during the game.

 

[el3mel]

Thanks for posting this, I've been lurking in this thread since a couple of weeks and the number of times I've seen people say that he plays "boring football" or isn't the "right guy to be manutd manager" (whatever the hell that means), it's clear that none of them have watched his teams play on a regular basis.

Then there's this thing about him complaining when he does not get what he wants, isn't that a good thing, he will call the board out when they're not giving him what he needs.

Obviously the board should first meet with him and listen to what he wants for the next window and the window after that, how is he going to transition when Ronaldo and Cavani leave, how he is going to deal with the Pogba situation, what future does he see for our youngsters, and how is he going to fix our central midfield and defense, what players is he looking at, we hire him only when the board him can come to an agreement.

As far as his football is concerned, he likes to be in control of games with our without the ball, he plays a back 3/5 which will give us good width, he also plays with 2 strikers and a #10 with two CMs, the wingback have the freedom to join attacks, so it's not like he will be defending with 6 players. His teams actually create enough chances, enough for his teams to win league titles.

He's certainly not at the level of Pep or Klopp, but maybe this manutd squad with a couple of additions is what he needs to make that jump. The back 5 still works great if a manager can make his players play it.

The majority of opinions about Conte here seem to be some myths invented by people whom either didn't watch his teams at all or are just inventing things out of his mind.

 

[Rajma]

That's right, he does like his players to have total clarity on how they will be playing. He also makes good adjustments and subs during the game.

I do agree though that when approaching him all these questions that you have listed down must be asked of him. In general, our squad is very top heavy, it would be interesting to hear from him how he sees it fit with respect to his approach.

 

[Rajiztar]

I don't know why many man Utd fans didn't want him in first place. He has his demands from your board but at the same time your board also has their demands from him.

Very adaptive coach Conte is. He want his teams to win titles. That too now. Not want to have vision of ten year team building without trophies. Yes he has highest level of competitions in pep and klopp. But he did it before with them in the league with chelsea and also won fa cup again against them.

If he felt Ronaldo will be bad for team he will not hesitate to bench him but difference is he will win matches without him. If he think Ronaldo is good enough then he will make him more super man and he will compensate his lack of energy from others.Thats what great managers do and he will do that again.

His ability to extract from average players is second to none. Moses,young were vital part in his teams winning leagues said about it.His work in training is mostly pattern of play rather than tactical instruction.

For example if he don't have option other than mcfred then he will make them work by analysing how better they can be.Where they can struggle he will train them individually For their weakness but also minimise their weakness from team work of others around them. That's why I rate him highly.

If some think he is defensive coach then so be it but he will outscore all your teams in past with the players you have now.

 

[kthanksbye]

The majority of opinions about Conte here seem to be some myths invented by people whom either didn't watch his teams at all or are just inventing things out of his mind.

There's also this romanticism about him not being a manager who can stay with us for 15 years.

 

[Rajma]

I don't know why many man Utd fans didn't want him in first place. He has his demands from your board but at the same time your board also has their demands from him.

Very adaptive coach Conte is. He want his teams to win titles. That too now. Not want to have vision of ten year team building without trophies. Yes he has highest level of competitions in pep and klopp. But he did it before with them in the league with chelsea and also won fa cup again against them.

If he felt Ronaldo will be bad for team he will not hesitate to bench him but difference is he will win matches without him. If he think Ronaldo is good enough then he will make him more super man and he will compensate his lack of energy from others.Thats what great managers do and he will do that again.

His ability to extract from average players is second to none. Moses,young were vital part in his teams winning leagues said about it.His work in training is mostly pattern of play rather than tactical instruction.

If some think he is defensive coach then so be it but he will outscore all your teams in past with the players you have now.

I can’t believe that people are turning an eye on genuinely the only world class manager currently available out there. It’s all more baffling when you take into account that we’re being managed by a total novice. Watch us finally go for another non-entity like Southgate next year (because Conte will be employed by that time) after scrapping into top 4 this season with Ole and another disastrous start next year. We’re reactive club from top to bottom, unfortunately I don’t see this changing with such attitude from the fans as we’re the only ones who can pile up the pressure on board decisions.

 

[VP89]

I'd actually take Thomas Frank at this rate, because clearly the requirement is extremely low in the first place for Ole to be given a chance.

 

[Rajiztar]

I can’t believe that people are turning an eye on genuinely the only world class manager currently available out there. It’s all more baffling when you take into account that we’re being managed by a total novice. Watch us finally go for another non-entity like Southgate next year (because Conte will be employed by that time) after scrapping into top 4 this season with Ole and another disastrous start next year. We’re reactive club from top to bottom, unfortunately I don’t see this changing with such attitude from the fans as we’re the only ones who can pile up the pressure on board decisions.

I watched Fred s video yesterday yet ole didn't move from his seat to shout at him. If that's Conte he will slap him at first instance of his clueless movement of hide behind opponents.

That's on ole to make players to move for benefit of the team. Fred will always play that way if he instructed not to. I was shocked to see that video and ole do nothing until he was subbed.

 

[sullydnl]

I posted this in another thread a few weeks ago, Goals For in Contes last 4 seasons as a manager compared to other managers in the same seasons.
Conte
16-17: 85
17-18: 62
19-20: 81
20-21: 89
Total GF: 317

Klopp
16-17: 78
17-18: 84
19-20: 85
20-21: 68
Total GF: 315

Pep
16-17: 80
17-18: 106
19-20: 102
20-21: 83
Total GF: 371

Simeone
16-17: 70
17-18: 58
19-20: 51
20-21: 67
Total GF: 247

Mourinho
16-17: 54
17-18: 68*
19-20: 61*
20-21: 68
Total GF: 251
*only coached half season, used team total for full season

Man United
16-17: 54
17-18: 68
19-20: 66
20-21: 73
Total GF: 261

People view Conte like he is a Simeone type when his teams actually score like Klopps.

I remember when people were posting the goals tallies of Mourinho teams to show he wasn't innately defensive too. "It's a myth, his Madrid team scored a record-breaking 121 goals, how can he be defensive?"

Then he came and the type of football he played was exactly what the doubters thought it would be.

We've all seen Conte teams play. They might have reached the goal tallies of Klopp teams in the past, but they sure as shit don't play like Klopp teams.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

I watched Fred s video yesterday yet ole didn't move from his seat to shout at him. If that's Conte he will slap him at first instance of his clueless movement of hide behind opponents.

That's on ole to make players to move for benefit of the team. Fred will always play that way if he instructed not to. I was shocked to see that video and ole do nothing until he was subbed.

This is what I don't understand. Why does Fred always press no matter the situation he's in. Its exposed us a lot more times than its helped us. Why does Ole always allow him to press blindly. Fans will complain but ball hogging from Pogba and Maguire or Rashfords selfishness but why does Ole not instruct them to stop doing that when its clearly affecting our game

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

I feel our squad is not really suited for Conte right now. It would have worked better after Mourinho left.
I think we need a more attractive style.

 

[Ixion]

I'll take anyone that will fix the centre of midfield. It's only been a problem for 8 years.

 

[elmo]

I remember when people were posting the goals tallies of Mourinho teams to show he wasn't innately defensive too. "It's a myth, his Madrid team scored a record-breaking 121 goals, how can he be defensive?"

Then he came and the type of football he played was exactly what the doubters thought it would be.

We've all seen Conte teams play. They might have reached the goal tallies of Klopp teams in the past, but they sure as shit don't play like Klopp teams.

Ok, so Conte's team which scores more than Ole's is negative football, so what does that make Ole's football?

 

[Rajiztar]

This is what I don't understand. Why does Fred always press no matter the situation he's in. Its exposed us a lot more times than its helped us. Why does Ole always allow him to press blindly. Fans will complain but ball hogging from Pogba and Maguire or Rashfords selfishness but why does Ole not instruct them to stop doing that when its clearly affecting our game

I think its on ole and coaching staffs. How good or bad the players as individuals it's team game. Coaches can make them good or bad unit with their work.

Some times ole and team analysed opponents and play accordingly and team looked world beaters. But if opponents came up with varied plans he struggled. And he didn't know what to do at those times.

 

[EtH]

I remember when people were posting the goals tallies of Mourinho teams to show he wasn't innately defensive too. "It's a myth, his Madrid team scored a record-breaking 121 goals, how can he be defensive?"

Then he came and the type of football he played was exactly what the doubters thought it would be.

We've all seen Conte teams play. They might have reached the goal tallies of Klopp teams in the past, but they sure as shit don't play like Klopp teams.

Spot on. Hazard made that Chelsea side decent to watch at times but overall it wasn’t entertaining unless you class Costa’s shithousery as entertainment.

His Inter side was absolute shite to watch and not even remotely a top side. And his record in Europe is also horrendous for a supposedly world class manager.

Never mind that we’d end up lining up like this…

-------Ronaldo-Cavani
----------------Bruno
Shaw----Fred-McT------AWB
-Magurie-Varane-Lindelof
-----------------DDG
Bench: Greenwood Rashford Sancho

No fecking thank you.