Newcastle United now owned by the PIF | PL receives "legally binding assurances that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will not control NUFC" ;)

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Waiting for Neville to praise the Saudis and Newcastle, and then an hour later or so tweet how much of a sob Bojo is.

Journalists better be praising this, cuz we do know how MBS handles people who's journalism he dosen't like :)
 

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It might have been mentioned already but what do you think this could do for Newcastle as a city? The one thing I'm sympathetic about all this is how a takeover and increased interest in the football team might help improve aspects of the local area - firstly increased tourism but then through improvements to business and housing, etc.
 

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But City didn’t have the quality up against them that Newcastle have now. The year Pep agreed to join City they should have finished 5th if we didn’t bottle the West Ham game.
The standard has raised, in part due to City themselves, which means you have to be elite on and off the pitch to compete. It’s not just getting top 4 but going up against the best sides in Europe who look as if they can only get stronger themselves
Pellegrini finished 1, 2, 4. Pep is 3,1,1,2,1. Mancini was 5,3,1. So clear gradual progression

But yes it will be harder for Newcastle I agree. But that will just make things even tighter for us. You don't get to wait a year for Declan Rice or Sancho's price to drop any more.
 

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Be interesting to read the post war history of English football in 50 years time.....

The great Sir Matt Busby and the Busby Babes and the rebuild to conquer Europe
Bill Shankley turning Liverpool into a real force
Brian Clough taking Forest from the second tier to European champions (twice just in case anyone thought it was a fluke)
Graham Taylor taking Watford from fourth tier to Europe and a second place finish in top tier in six years
Howard Kendall and Everton overtaking their neighbours to win two titles but denied the chance to shine in Europe
SAF the greatest manager of all time
Wenger the professor bringing in sports science and the invincibles

and then........
Chelsea bought by stinking rich Roman Abramovich - started winning things
Man City bought by stinking rich Sheikh Mansour started winning things
Newcastle bought by stinking rich Saudi prince Mohammad bin Salman started winning things
Well said. You could either start from the botton and build success upon good decision making and intelligent investment (like Dortmund) or you could take the Chelsea, City, Newcastle route, intresting choices.
 

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If that's true, and the they're really looking for a ROI, then in all likelihood we won't be seeing fake inflated sponsorship deals from other PIF companies. Do you honestly think that won't happen?
They are looking for ROI. No doubt about that in my mind. PIF is not a single billionaire playing with money. It’s a fund meant to diversify Saudi and prepare it for the post oil age.

That being said, PIF may see it beneficial to have an inflated sponsorship deal to achieve better returns later, increase the club valuation and/or go around FFP.

What I’m saying is, any decision will be calculated with one goal in mind, better returns. Club success and promotion of Saudi do not (always) conflict with that goal. And when they do, I believe PIF will always choose money.

Of course PIF will also use the club to make Saudi and Saudi companies look better and more attractive to attract investments (which I personally hate as I mentioned in a previous post. I don’t think any state should use this sport to promote agendas (except maybe the UK since they own the league) but maybe I’m just a romantic)
 

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I hope the project ends in complete failure, and Newcastle fall right under the leagues and possibly go under

Surely all this Oil countries aren't going to get it 100% right every single time they purchase a club and think they can do what they want because of who they are and what they stand for
 

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Why do these sheikhs never buy Spanish clubs? I've always been curious. Does the league there forbid such a scenario?
already forgot Malaga and their unlucky loss to Dortmund 7-8 years ago? literally 2 minutes away from CL semifinal thanks to their Qatari owner. Getafe was also on its way to be sold to some business group from Dubai, but they went to court for some reason and it never happened.

more iconic clubs in England, I guess. Deportivo could be bought for cheap now, given they rot in third division.
 

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Newcastle United: UK blocks details of Premier League talks to protect Saudi relations

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58840820

The UK government is refusing to reveal what it told the Premier League about the Saudi-backed takeover of Newcastle United because it could "harm" relations with Saudi Arabia.

The government says it did not get involved in the deal, which has been criticised by human rights activists.
But the Foreign Office is known to have held meetings with the Premier League to discuss it.

The BBC asked for details of these meetings under Freedom of Information.

The Foreign Office responded with a redacted copy of the agenda for one meeting, which took place on 14 May 2020, and a redacted copy of the minutes of another meeting on 10 June 2020.

Seems legit.
 

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At number 2 absolutely hell no. The atrocities the West has been involved in over the last 500 years is no way better than Saudi. Only difference is the west has become better at hiding what they do under different disguises.

Point 1 you are saying someone is embarrassing for celebrating the fact they will have money to finally spend on their club. As if you don't understand that and saying they are celebrating the bad things the Saudis do. That's ridiculous so I am gonna make a ridiculous point as that's exactly what you guys are doing. You sound ridiculous
I'm a bit drunk and misread this as "the atrocoties West Ham has.."

was totally confused for a bit there, was thinking fecking hell they aren't that bad
 

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City moved fecking heaven and earth to get Guardiola through their door. Going as far as hiring two of his Barca mates years before. They lucked out on that one but god help them what happens when Guardiola does leave. That’s probably their one main weakness in Citys approach is what happens post-Guardiola, after spending years trying to get his attention.

Newcastles new owners will probably be determined enough to do that thing too, but there’s no standout like there was in 2012. They’re going to have to take some risks.
 

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Hard to feel anything but hate for Newcastle. It really is hard to find a much worse owner than this. But at the same time - Newcastle-fans hate Ashley so much, so I understand that they don't care who their owners are.
 

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Mate, we all know every government is dirty, but the UK govt doesn't own a football team as a way of sportswashing.

If you really can't see the difference then there's something wrong with you. If we all start trying to do a historical 'eye for an eye' we'll all end up blind.

For me, personally, it's just another nail in the coffin for the game I grew up with. It's got nothing to do with Utd being a bit rubbish now, although the manner of the Glazer takeover and their subsequent leadership was certainly where my apathy took root. There are plenty of teams that have outside investment and show it doesn't need to be super rich nation state to do so, like Leicester and Aston Villa. They'd probably win more trophies if the likes of PSG, City, Chelsea hadn't thrust everything into hyperdrive.

Although it's certainly made things interesting in many respects, it's also brought a lot of questionable things into the game. Maybe they were already there? They're just highlighted more prominently now, I suppose.

I know the world changes, but it's about how much shit you're willing to swallow. I can't really ignore a lot of it anymore, so although I'll always support MUFC, I really find myself caring about football less and less. I only really watch matches, or more often the highlights these days. The rest of the stuff around it I just can't be fecked with.
I didn't say you can't criticise Saudis I said don't act like you have some sort of moral highground over Newcastle fans who are excited about their new situation.
 

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Get your facts and figures out about the wealth and economic growth that is outlier to other parts of the uk. Trotting out soundbites doesn't prove anything. Nobody is doubting that they'll pump money into the place, but most doubt that it justifies legitimises Saudi Arabia. I don't care too much about how this sounds but i really think you must be utterly clueless about Saudi and its role in the world. If you can't see how braindead fools waving Saudi flags in the name of their football club is a genuinely disgraceful act then i think you might be in a fantasy land.
Read my statements. I never said you can't criticise the Saudis I said don't be so tone death to call Newcastle fans embarrassing or try to hold the moral high ground because they are excited about improvements tot their club and city.
 

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I hope the project ends in complete failure, and Newcastle fall right under the leagues and possibly go under
Even if it did they wouldn't fall down the leagues.

The reward money for relegation alone will allow them to out compete most of the Championship and return pretty comfortably.
 

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Newcastle United: UK blocks details of Premier League talks to protect Saudi relations

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58840820

The UK government is refusing to reveal what it told the Premier League about the Saudi-backed takeover of Newcastle United because it could "harm" relations with Saudi Arabia.

The government says it did not get involved in the deal, which has been criticised by human rights activists.
But the Foreign Office is known to have held meetings with the Premier League to discuss it.

The BBC asked for details of these meetings under Freedom of Information.

The Foreign Office responded with a redacted copy of the agenda for one meeting, which took place on 14 May 2020, and a redacted copy of the minutes of another meeting on 10 June 2020.

Seems legit.
It's a hilarious amount of hypocrisy in the ether considering the history of arms deals between the two countries. Like if the Government can take billions for arms, and the league allow the deal, then don't be 'disappointed' with the fans for celebrating the end of Ashley.
 

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Well many of us are guilty of not knowing the full supply chain history, factory of origin and their working practices for everything we purchase but I am sure there are very few of us who execute journalists and homosexuals, imprison people for protesting, use torture as a punishment and discriminate against women, although to be fair to them it isn't all bad, in June 2021, Saudi Arabia started allowing women to live alone without permission from a male guardian....whoopee
So your going to claim you don't know that the majority of the technology you play with day to day is made in child labour factories? Wow
 

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Not 6-months ago, the footballing media, led by Sky Sports, were decrying foreign ownership causing 'grassroots' values and fans to be abandoned.

Not heard a squeak out of them yet about this...

And herein lies my issue. In a sense, I am quite happy for Newcastle fans. I can understand why they are buzzing about this, why wouldn't they be? Previously they had nothing to look forward too, now all of a sudden, it's highly likely that within 4/5 seasons, they will be competing for top domestic and European trophies.

However, how are Sunderland fans feeling right now? Or Middlesbrough fans? Or Derby fans, West Ham fans, Forest fans...

Ultimately, it looks like if you're not already at the top table, your chance of grabbing a seat relies solely on you being bought by a foreign investment fund. Tell me that doesn't take something away from the game as a whole.
Many good points - I kind of understand Newcastle-fans. But at the same time - it is another nail in the coffin of football. Reaching top-4 was hard before - now you will have yet another wealthy club throwing around money. I really feel for Leicester - doing everything right, but now they could be overrun by the biggest joke of a club in the last 25 years. You look at the 100 biggest transfer flops of the P.L - and I guarantee Newcastle have between 10-15 of the players. And then you look at the 100 best signings of the Premier League and they might have 2 or 3.
 

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If a country is still dealing with something the West did to them 500 years ago that's on the country, not the West. We were busy cleaning up after a civil war and chopping our Queens' heads off in 1521. The world was a totally different place.

Unless you are French. We had plenty of scraps with them back then.
What are you on about? The UK still has huge presence in Africa and owns alot of the natural land that produces money in the country. To this very day the UK steals from Africa
 

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City moved fecking heaven and earth to get Guardiola through their door. Going as far as hiring two of his Barca mates years before. They lucked out on that one but god help them what happens when Guardiola does leave. That’s probably their one main weakness in Citys approach is what happens post-Guardiola, after spending years trying to get his attention.

Newcastles new owners will probably be determined enough to do that thing too, but there’s no standout like there was in 2012. They’re going to have to take some risks.
Wouldn't surprise me to see them target Simeone. Depending on your perspective, he's one of the big 4 serial winners around at the moment (alongside Guardiola, Klopp and Tuchel).

Unlike some of the traditional big clubs, Newcastle will care more about results than exciting football (at least in the short term). Abramovic arguably did the same thing when he appointed Mourinho in 2004. Simeone is the only 'gettable' manager who can guarantee that.
 

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So your going to claim you don't know that the majority of the technology you play with day to day is made in child labour factories? Wow
Congratulations. You are todays champion in the International Whataboutery games.

You’ve also opened my eyes. Here I was hating on MBS for chopping up journalists, killing dissidents, bombing starving Yemenis, funding extremism throughout the Middle East and also in western countries, and having an abhorrent human rights record in his country….

Then I remembered that I have an iPhone which is essentially the same thing.
 

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And if people were dancing in the streets or writing grovelling open letters to Apple, because they got a new iphone, they'd be mocked as well.
Why is the moral onus on Geordies and not the League or the Government. The British Taxpayer and the Saudis have a long cosy mutually beneficial relationship.
 

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And if people were dancing in the streets or writing grovelling open letters to Apple, because they got a new iphone, they'd be mocked as well.
People literally do all of that for new apple products. Just type in Apple launch of any product and you have Apple fans celebrating. We have threads on this forum where people argue over Apple stuff.
 

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Why is the moral onus on Geordies and not the League or the Government. The British Taxpayer and the Saudis have a long cosy mutually beneficial relationship.
Moral onus is not on them, but you’d expect some self respect and self awareness. Maybe not I guess.
 

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Moral onus is not on them, but you’d expect some self respect and self awareness. Maybe not I guess.
Yeah some football fans don't excel there, and that's not news. Also what about the self awareness of the British taxpayer who is put out by their celebrations? The relationship is decades long and has been questioned by lots of people. If you're ok with arms deals then the dancing of Geoprdies is nowt.
 

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Why is the moral onus on Geordies and not the League or the Government. The British Taxpayer and the Saudis have a long cosy mutually beneficial relationship.

We all know the Premier League and the Government have zero morals, nobody expects anything different.

I'm genuinely surprised to see the level of boot licking from some of the Newcastle United fans.
 

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But that cognitive dissonance is the common default for most of us in this part of the world. I'm not defending it.
To be honest I don't have an issue with anyone here it's the same dissonance I get in the threads about race where people struggle when you hold a mirror to their face. I just find it silly that people are somehow trying to hold the moral highground over Newcastle fans as if the Newcastle fans have any able to control the Saudi government and are not just excited that they have some excitement in their city and team again. Just sounds bitter or at worse hypocritical or tone death.
 

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To be honest I don't have an issue with anyone here it's the same dissonance I get in the threads about race where people struggle when you hold a mirror to their face. I just find it silly that people are somehow trying to hold the moral highground over Newcastle fans as if the Newcastle fans have any able to control the Saudi government and are not just excited that they have some excitement in their city and team again. Just sounds bitter or at worse hypocritical or tone death.
I agree with you. What I'm saying is I'm not surprised.
 

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We all know the Premier League and the Government have zero morals, nobody expects anything different.
It's also about the taxpayer. I'm not sure being quiet over an arms deal is any less morally outrageous than celebrating the purchase of a football club.
 

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I didn't say you can't criticise Saudis I said don't act like you have some sort of moral highground over Newcastle fans who are excited about their new situation.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to criticise Newcastle fans, to be honest. I'd be excited to get rid of the Glazers, but not for something worse.

Also, I'm sure many of those Newcastle fans would have spent years slagging off other clubs that spend a lot of money, and criticised the other petro clubs for 'ruining' football. No one is going to be clean of hypocrisy in this one.

And no fan base deserves a club that wins trophies, I hate it when people say that or sympathise with Newcastle supporters. It's bollocks. I know Ashley is a bastard, but Newcastle are still in the EPL, they're actually doing fine. They're not going through administration like Derby, an actual great club with history.
 

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Newcastle are still favourites to get relegated - 3 points from 7 matches and there could be a negative reaction from players uncertain about their future at the club with a manager who will already be considering his next role but anticipating a nice pay off. He will obviously be gone in the next week.

Norwich look completely doomed but Brentford are flying near the top and the closest to Newcastle are Burnley, Southampton and Leeds all used to scrapping their way for points or already proven in the division. Watford must be one of the favourites for the drop but I don't see an obvious 3rd relegation candidate apart from Newcastle.

If they are already adrift in the bottom 3 by Xmas - who's going to "join the project" despite a substantial payrise and be prepared to fight for the club ?
 

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I just find it silly that people are somehow trying to hold the moral highground over Newcastle fans as if the Newcastle fans have any able to control the Saudi government and are not just excited that they have some excitement in their city and team again. Just sounds bitter or at worse hypocritical or tone death.
They deserve to be pointed at, laughed and riduculed after those scenes yesterday. Call that however you like.
 

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What are you on about? The UK still has huge presence in Africa and owns alot of the natural land that produces money in the country. To this very day the UK steals from Africa
You're a few hundred years off there.

In the 1500s Europeans were still learning to find Africa let alone colonise it. That happened in the last 200 years.