What’s the solution to things Gary Neville thinks is wrong

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

So Gary Neville gave an explanation of the multitude of things that thinks is wrong although best summed up with his “odd bunch” he goes into more detail

1) Performances not good enough.
2) Great players but no plan or tactics and rely on individual moments.
3) Shabby as a unit and poor in and out of possession
4) Can’t press like most teams do
5) Can’t keep the ball
6) Pulled apart by teams that are organised and have a methodology

That’s very interesting to me, because G Neville has said that he won’t call out Ole. But when you look at every issue he’s said. It pretty much comes down to management and coaching.

 

[Andrew7582]

What’s the solution to things Gary Neville thinks is wrong

Better manager.

 

[Jacob]

So Gary Neville gave an explanation of the multitude of things that thinks is wrong although best summed up with his “odd bunch” he goes into more detail

1) Performances not good enough - New manager
2) Great players but no plan or tactics and rely on individual moments - New manager
3) Shabby as a unit and poor in and out of possession - New manager
4) Can’t press like most teams do - New manager
5) Can’t keep the ball - New manager
6) Pulled apart by teams that are organised and have a methodology - New manager

That’s very interesting to me, because G Neville has said that he won’t call out Ole. But when you look at every issue he’s said. It pretty much comes down to management and coaching.

New manager

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Another manager.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

The solution is what Garry Neville does all the time. Sack the manager.

 

[Giggsy13]

New manager, FFS.

 

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

I think it's clear now - to even the most stubborn - that it's probably a good thing in football to hire qualified managers with modern tactical ideas.

5th time lucky hopefully.

 

[Andycoleno9]

New manager

 

[GazTheLegend]

The solution is what Garry Neville does all the time. Sack the manager.

Yup. All this "we give people time at United" while he sacks Salford managers every week. Richie Wellens got four MONTHS.

 

[RUCK4444]

A DM would improve a lot of the issues, but most will want a new manager.

 

[Paxi]

A new manager. All those issues are down to coaching or lack there of.

I mean it’s obvious to see.

Neville also said that Ole might prefer to have the squad he had last season — it’s utterly bizarre, these excuses.

 

[Stacks]

So Gary Neville gave an explanation of the multitude of things that thinks is wrong although best summed up with his “odd bunch” he goes into more detail

1) Performances not good enough.
2) Great players but no plan or tactics and rely on individual moments.
3) Shabby as a unit and poor in and out of possession
4) Can’t press like most teams do
5) Can’t keep the ball
6) Pulled apart by teams that are organised and have a methodology

That’s very interesting to me, because G Neville has said that he won’t call out Ole. But when you look at every issue he’s said. It pretty much comes down to management and coaching.

Gary Neville is a very sly man

 

[Stacks]

A DM would improve a lot of the issues, but most will want a new manager.

Just like a CB, RW *insert other positions* there is always a new saviour

 

[choccy77]

Better manager.

Phil Neville

 

[choccy77]

A DM would improve a lot of the issues, but most will want a new manager.

Well DM does stand for Decent Manager

 

[Skills]

Well DM does stand for Decent Manager

 

[RUCK4444]

Not really, I’ve been particular about the DM for some time and I believe if woukd have been far more beneficial than the signings we made in the summer.

 

[RUCK4444]

Well DM does stand for Decent Manager

I’ll give ya that one.

 

[USREDEVIL]

Actually i wouldnt give Gary that much credit (taking a invisible shot at ole). When i heard him really was putting it on the players saying that they need to both work harder and be better than the other teams. He says city chelsea and pool players do but United players do not. I'm pretty sure he's taking a shot at Pogba and the like.

 

[DON’T PANIC ™]

As others have said in other threads, we could sign Keane or Robson and it wouldn’t make any difference. The team clearly has no system/tactics and this is down to the coaching. Some of our coaches have been in place since LVG. This is the problem.

 

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

Well DM does stand for Decent Manager

Hahaha… that’s a good one

 

[shamans]

Neville is a fraud. He will never call for sacking of a manager he claims, but it's okay to throw players careers under the bus?

 

[Hugh Jass]

New manager.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

A DM would improve a lot of the issues, but most will want a new manager.

A DM would do very little, we’re a mess all over the pitch, our ”press” is utterly horrendous, we’re like schoolkids with some of our decision making.

The idea one player in one position improves a lot of these issues is utter codswallop, we know this because we’ve seen Bernardo at CM for City, Giggs there for us, Lahm there for Bayern. Plenty of pros can fill gaps in functioning teams and setups. We’re so far from a one man fix it’s untrue.

 

[Guapa]

New manager

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Well DM does stand for Decent Manager

 

[arnie_ni]

A new manager. All those issues are down to coaching or lack there of.

I mean it’s obvious to see.

Neville also said that Ole might prefer to have the squad he had last season — it’s utterly bizarre, these excuses.

Because he knew how to get the best out of them. I took it to mean he's out of his depth with this squad of attacking talent that he has no idea how to get the best out of. He hinted at it quite a bit

 

[izec]

A DM would do very little, we’re a mess all over the pitch, our ”press” is utterly horrendous, we’re like schoolkids with some of our decision making.

The idea one player in one position improves a lot of these issues is utter codswallop, we know this because we’ve seen Bernardo at CM for City, Giggs there for us, Lahm there for Bayern. Plenty of pros can fill gaps in functioning teams and setups. We’re so far from a one man fix it’s untrue.

it is complete delusion. Prime Keane would look average in our setup. No matter which player comes in, he will get pushed down by the team and setup and his level will drop quickly. Something we saw regularly.
A great midfielder helps, as our system is obviously based on individual skill, but we would still fall apart and be nowhere near where we should be. We are not talking about small margins, but basics in football that eleven players cant get right on the pitch on a weekly basis.

Not to forget that the manager would run him into the ground and play him half fit.

 

[bonothom]

Why even listen to Neville when he was an absolute shambles at Valencia in his only stint in a managerial role. No wonder he's backing his mate Ole, Neville knows absolute zero about managing a football team or the only thing he does know is how to manage a team badly.

 

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

A DM would do very little, we’re a mess all over the pitch, our ”press” is utterly horrendous, we’re like schoolkids with some of our decision making.

The idea one player in one position improves a lot of these issues is utter codswallop, we know this because we’ve seen Bernardo at CM for City, Giggs there for us, Lahm there for Bayern. Plenty of pros can fill gaps in functioning teams and setups. We’re so far from a one man fix it’s untrue.

Exactly. While it’s obvious that Fred & McTominnay are not good enough, those that say a CDM will turn everything around and turn us into title challengers are deluded. The players in every other position are not playing as a team.

 

[MasterCode]

When I look at how the opposition counters us on the break when we attempt to tackle their low block, our midfield looks so fecking open.

It reminds me so much of Liverpool last season when their defence couldn't carry their attack. Their attack would try and they we would get countered so bad, I mean we did it to them. Trent looked awful and (to be fair to them at times they were playing Henderson CB) they just looked so wide and open.

The thing is we have actual CBs, problem is they need their hands held by a McFred. Otherwise we look just as open as Liverpool did with make shift ones last season, or Man City a couple of seasons ago before they played Fernandino CB.

But the most telling thing is that Brendan Rodgers Maguires former team, chose to set a pressing trap for him. Not AWB for obvious reasons, not Matic who needs a lot of touches on the ball, not even Lindeloff who is not very physical. Leicesters pressing trap was set for Maguire, they knew exactly what they sold us, some people still think we sold Smalling for a ball playing CB.

I respect a CB who can be last man without his hand being held (even if its not tidy like a vidic) than one who runs into midfield when he has a double pivot cover. Only to pass left or right.

Either bench Maguire or move him to the right hand side, and give him cover in a Matic or Scott or whatever. Pogba is not going to cover for him he is going to float and Maguire needs cover and he definitely can't be last man.

Varane has been last man for his entire Madrid career, all La Liga teams did against them was try and counter them he's used to it.

 

[mariachi-19]

It’s quite simple. The solution is either a new manager or finding a decent tactical coach to support ole in his role.

If ole had a querioz or or a Rene supporting him, we wouldn’t be having these problems. His current issue is relying on back room staff that aren’t working or aren’t good enough to execute what he wants in terms of the types of player he has brought in. Essentially, ole is trying to be the director of football which is fine, but the people underneath him need to be better. Unfortunately that falls on him and if they aren’t looking intensely right now to find that person, he’s a dead man walking.

it should have happened after young boys.

 

[Plant0x84]

Time. The answer is time. Let CR7 settle in the team, and the team get used to him. Let’s get Marcus and Jadon back up to speed. Let’s get Harry and Rafa fit and firing together. It takes time for players to learn each other’s game and become a cohesive unit.

 

[Paxi]

Because he knew how to get the best out of them. I took it to mean he's out of his depth with this squad of attacking talent that he has no idea how to get the best out of. He hinted at it quite a bit

That’s what I thought he meant as well. It’s not something that I wanted to hear. Hardly encouraging.

 

[Paxi]

Gary Neville is a very sly man

Sly eyes like demon.

 

[choccy77]

I think United may need to setup like this

De Gea
AWB
Shaw
Varane
Clown 1,2 or 3

Play Matic or Fred or Mc Tom deep to stop all those easy breaks take pressure from CD

Bruno in Middle in Scholes role spraying passes out wide / playing forwards through middle

Rashford / Pogba On left

Greenwood / Sancho right

Lingard dropping in behind

Ronaldo / Cavani

 

[hobbers]

Better manager.

 

[Eyepopper]

Can someone do the obvious and ask Gary what he'd do if Salford were having these issues?

 

[United Hobbit]

Better manager, not one who's taken the team as far as he can

 

[The Brown Bull]

As others have said in other threads, we could sign Keane or Robson and it wouldn’t make any difference. The team clearly has no system/tactics and this is down to the coaching. Some of our coaches have been in place since LVG. This is the problem.

Exactly.Our midfield is not the problem , it’s part of the problem.Any midfield pair are going to struggle when you have a huge amount of space in front of and behind them.
Throw in players who are great attackers but just don’t do the hard work like Ronaldo , Bruno & Pogba and even prime Keane /Robson will struggle.Then you have Maguire staying too deep because he’s slow and leaving loads of space behind our midfield.
That’s why we get McFred so much, they have energy.