Of course it is coaching and Gary Neville made to look like an idiot by Jamie Carra.
We are an awfully coached team
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Attacking talent that LVG had is light year behind what Ole has. At least were more solid under LVG and he had to play likes of Paddy Macnair.
Wicked stuff mate
The crown was numb I suppose. Couldn't believe what we watching. Credit to the singing section they kept singing. The Liverpool crowd had a field day. Christmas came early.
No I meant Van Gaal had us playing better with inferior players. Sorry I didn't word that very well.
Suppose this guy is a hipster too. What with his "woke" terms. What does he know about football? Ole ole. Wheel or something.
Ole gave out lot of sound bites when he started like pressing, 433, outworking the opposition etc. When reality hit all of those went out the window. Classic case of illusory superiority, overestimate his capability to implement things he talked about. Talk is cheap and many fans lapped it up.
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Think I remember that actually. ‘Patterns of play lolz. That’s a meme’. Oh turns out it isn’t now we see the dippers put five past us at old Trafford and everyone’s saying it.
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I’d agree. You can easily forget we used to play a bit of football at those bigger team grounds under him.
Simple question. Who in our team is supposed to track the opponents full backs when they bomb forward?
Robertson and TAA had all the freedom in the world today. I dont remember either being tackled or tracked by Greenwood or Rashford even once. The back 6 then get pulled out of shape.
Robertson and TAA had all the freedom in the world today. I dont remember either being tackled or tracked by Greenwood or Rashford even once. The back 6 then get pulled out of shape.
Not defending Ole but you seem to have forgotten LVGs time at MU.
We've won leagues with a mixture of some utter crap midfields.I didn’t say it would fix every issue, I’ve said the coaching can be questioned, just that the squad (no matter who the managers is) definitely needs a DM.
What’s the first signing you would like the next manager to make? DM. Obviously.
Give me a shout when the next manager is winning us the league with McFred pal
Liverpool just wiped the floor with us playing Henderson, Milner and Keita.
Give me a shout when you wake up and realise that exceptional managers make even imperfect things work, whereas crap ones instead highlight the weaknesses. A top manager would get a squad of midfielders including DVB, Fernandes, Fred, Pogba, McTominay, Matic doing a job that highlights their strengths, rather than highlights and exposes all their weaknesses.
No I didn’t. We were not scoring goals and it became progressively worse but we’re always quite solid. This despite having an inferior squad. We should have gone for a progress manager after LVG but we went for Mourinho.
Under LVG we had some great games away to big teams where we actually played football and not just countered
Sorry but there is nothing to even add to this thread. 90% fans have given their stamp on Ole going. More Newcastle fans were supporting Steve Bruce than Man Utd fans supporting Ole. Sorry but they should make this decision to move on quickly. We need to get a manager in who knows that there are tactics and positions. Ole was saying in the summer that there are midfielders and attackers, no specific positions. Sorry mate but Klopp has specific positions. And maybe that guy knows a bit more about football than Ole does.
Remind me who that manager was again? Let’s see what position the next manager addresses first shall we, revisit it then.
I forget you exist but you like to bump my old posts so I’ll wait to hear from you bud. Much love.
So to the people who were saying be positive after Atalanta and that the team will build on that win...
What did we build exactly?
What did we build exactly?
I love bumping utterly clueless posts yes.
That manager was one of, if not the best ever. Cause great managers make it work, you though have been banging the drum thinking Ole, given enough time can do the same, if only he gets Declan fecking Rice.
Of course we're likely to strengthen midfield next, whoever is manager, we've bought an entire back four and front line in the past 2.5 years so no shit there, but let's see if someone can make this group function before a transfer window, my bet is they can, by making the rest of the side more intelligent in their play, and by having much more defined roles and positions. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me to see a manager go 3-5-2 to make up for those deficiencies.
Plain as day to see this team is not being coached properly. You have to be pretty dense to still think otherwise.
I think this highlights a fundamental point: you don't build on results, you build on performances.
Ole what he said today. He is deluded if he thinks the coaches are brilliant and we are close to his vision so wont give up. Does he really believe that or is he that pig headed he cant admit when he is wrong. His lies are getting worse.
Yeah actually your right! I just remembered a certain manager finished 2nd in the league with this exact midfield last season
Bore off now lad, the result and poor form this season has put a pound in you and we can’t switch you off.
As an opposition fan here, not trolling, your problem isn't McFred its the players round them, defensively they do feck all. I watched the whole game and your full backs and Bruno don't press backwards they are left on their own.
Anyone with an ounce of sense can see the problem runs more deeper than a defensive midfielder, just as Scholes called it also.
This is what most people fail to understand. Playing well but go down and get a comeback win is one thing, and consistently playing badly and getting comebacks wins is sonething else.
Our current gameplan for every match is get the ball to Bruno and inshallah
Thank you.
Yet people wanna replace both with 1 DM and shoehorn Pogba/another attacking midfielder next to Fernandes. Its like they're playing FIFA.
What are two guys supposed to do against 3 midfielders and overlapping full backs rushing them from all sides.
I watched it and your full backs and Bruno press forward aimlessly, but going back they just stand there with McFred and your 2 CBs left.
I think he has to say that in front of the cameras.
not to claim to be ‘reading body language’ but he looked like he knew they were out of their depth when answering that question.
Like he knew he needs more help from more experienced coaches. That’s how I read his reaction to the question. Too late for that anyway.
Ah the second place trophy, on a massive 74 points, 7 less than Mourinho managed with the same midfield.Yeah actually your right! I just remembered a certain manager finished 2nd in the league with this exact midfield last season
We all knew that 2nd place was a red herring, Liverpool and Chelsea’s form showed us that, we simply capitalised in a season with crap home form and where we incredibly recovered from crap first half after crap first half after crap fiest half, completely unsustainable stuff.
It’s been that way for a long time, we don’t know how to press, it’s why under Ole we’ve always looked better as a pure counter attacking side. Now it seems every single team has wised up to that so we’re trying something that resembles school yard football, and whoever plays at CB and the two sitting midfielders especially are asked to do an impossible job.
Just pointing out that he ‘made it work’ to some extent with that midfield as I think you put it, but it’s been a topic for a long time. Nobody was happy with McFred even when we did well for spells.
I’m not even arguing for Ole here, you brought up the DM, my point is we need one regardless, which was my point in the first place and still is.
I agree totally its really odd as to why, they get so much shit.
There's a limit to what a manager can do. We saw that last season when Klopp lost his centrebacks. We saw it before he signed VVD and Allison.
But none of that excuses Ole. Like it's been said a million times, our midfield is crap and he's allowed it to be crap.
Liverpool's midfield isn't the greatest individually but the three at least mix well, they compliment each other. Then of course that midfield is made up for by the fullbacks mainly.
But why do the rest of the team seemingly get a by ball?
Can't blame McFred
We all know they are average, but the system is unbalanced and the team are positionally all over the place.
We all know they are average, but the system is unbalanced and the team are positionally all over the place.
I didnt think I would ever say this, but if hes still here in January I hope the glazers dont give him another shit load of money to fritter away. Keep it all for the next incumbent.
McTom & Fred are easy targets, as are Matic and Pogba.
You watch that game and its the wide men, Bruno and your full backs that were absent IMO of course.
Ole is out of his depth. It has been 3 years and he is finishing top 4 due to the expensive players he has. He might still finish 4th but let's not kid ourselves that Ole is the man to deliver the title. There are 3 world class coaches in Chelsea, City and Pools. I don't know why Utd decided to slash money for top players and forger about the importance of a competent coach. There is nothing implemented for the last 3 years, just a group of individual put to together hoping it is a recipe of success. How blind is the board and COE? Continue dreaming Ole can lead us to victory, To be honest, I wanted him out in the first year. Seeing so many better managers without a job where we could hire is such a shame especially Tuchel who is the mould of Klopp. Sad days ahead, such opportunity is rare to come back.
Our midfield really isn't that crap and it doesn't help when your manager is shifting your best passer out to the wing or has him sat on the bench today. Once upon a time SAF had Tom Cleverly holding his ground against Modric and Alonso vs Madrid. Henderson at Liverpool was deemed rubbish before Klopp came in. A manager worth his salt will squeeze much more out of this midfield.