Foxbatt
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Of course it is coaching and Gary Neville made to look like an idiot by Jamie Carra.
Attacking talent that LVG had is light year behind what Ole has. At least were more solid under LVG and he had to play likes of Paddy Macnair.We were a much better team under Van Gaal than we are under Solskjaer. With inferior players too.
Wicked stuff mate
I have never felt this bad even during Jose's time. With Jose we knew that he wanted to get sacked in the end. This is much worse. This is delusional. I have been to OT many times but obviously never been at a game that we conceded so many goals.
How did the fans react?
The crown was numb I suppose. Couldn't believe what we watching. Credit to the singing section they kept singing. The Liverpool crowd had a field day. Christmas came early.How's the general reaction ? Is the crowd still supporting Ole ?
No I meant Van Gaal had us playing better with inferior players. Sorry I didn't word that very well.Attacking talent that LVG had is light year behind what Ole has. At least were more solid under LVG and he had to play likes of Paddy Macnair.
Suppose this guy is a hipster too. What with his "woke" terms. What does he know about football? Ole ole. Wheel or something.Tweet
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Ole gave out lot of sound bites when he started like pressing, 433, outworking the opposition etc. When reality hit all of those went out the window. Classic case of illusory superiority, overestimate his capability to implement things he talked about. Talk is cheap and many fans lapped it up.I remember one of Ole's first interviews when he took over talking about how unfit our players were and we didn't run enough and we couldn't run enough and that was going to change. What happened to that? Our players look as unfit as they've ever been.
Think I remember that actually. ‘Patterns of play lolz. That’s a meme’. Oh turns out it isn’t now we see the dippers put five past us at old Trafford and everyone’s saying it.Isn’t there a conversation between me and someone who says they were a coach or around teams or something and denied that patterns of play was a thing. Said it was a buzz phrase made up by the CAF or something and no club uses such terminology.
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I’d agree. You can easily forget we used to play a bit of football at those bigger team grounds under him.TBF I don't have as bad an opinion on that system as some on here do. The problem with LVG was his tiki-taka was a more horizontal approach, rather than a vertical approach, but if we continued down that route, when considering our managerial appointments etc. we'd have won some trophies by this stage and playing far better football. We needed to hire another progressive, possession based coach with a more modern outlook on the style, instead we sacked it completely and went with Mourinho then to Ole who are both pragmatic, counter attacking coaches.
At least with LVG, you could see what was being implemented and games like Juanfield where we went head to head with our rivals rather than sitting deep and hoping to counter seem like a pipe dream now.
Not defending Ole but you seem to have forgotten LVGs time at MU.Attacking talent that LVG had is light year behind what Ole has. At least were more solid under LVG and he had to play likes of Paddy Macnair.
We've won leagues with a mixture of some utter crap midfields.I didn’t say it would fix every issue, I’ve said the coaching can be questioned, just that the squad (no matter who the managers is) definitely needs a DM.
What’s the first signing you would like the next manager to make? DM. Obviously.
Give me a shout when the next manager is winning us the league with McFred pal
No I didn’t. We were not scoring goals and it became progressively worse but we’re always quite solid. This despite having an inferior squad. We should have gone for a progress manager after LVG but we went for Mourinho.Not defending Ole but you seem to have forgotten LVGs time at MU.
Remind me who that manager was again? Let’s see what position the next manager addresses first shall we, revisit it then.We've won leagues with a mixture of some utter crap midfields.
Liverpool just wiped the floor with us playing Henderson, Milner and Keita.
Give me a shout when you wake up and realise that exceptional managers make even imperfect things work, whereas crap ones instead highlight the weaknesses. A top manager would get a squad of midfielders including DVB, Fernandes, Fred, Pogba, McTominay, Matic doing a job that highlights their strengths, rather than highlights and exposes all their weaknesses.
I love bumping utterly clueless posts yes.Remind me who that manager was again? Let’s see what position the next manager addresses first shall we, revisit it then.
I forget you exist but you like to bump my old posts so I’ll wait to hear from you bud. Much love.
I think this highlights a fundamental point: you don't build on results, you build on performances.So to the people who were saying be positive after Atalanta and that the team will build on that win...
What did we build exactly?
Yeah actually your right! I just remembered a certain manager finished 2nd in the league with this exact midfield last seasonI love bumping utterly clueless posts yes.
That manager was one of, if not the best ever. Cause great managers make it work, you'll think Ole, given enough time can do the same, if only he gets Declan fecking Rice. Of course we're likely to strengthen midfield next, whoever is manager, we've bought an entire back four and front line in the past 2.5 years so no shit there, but let's see if someone can make this group function before a transfer window, my bet is they can, by making the rest of the side more intelligent in their play, having defined roles and positions.
Anyone with an ounce of sense can see the problem runs more deeper than a defensive midfielder, just as Scholes called it also.As an opposition fan here, not trolling, your problem isn't McFred its the players round them, defensively they do feck all. I watched the whole game and your full backs and Bruno don't press backwards they are left on their own.
This is what most people fail to understand. Playing well but go down and get a comeback win is one thing, and consistently playing badly and getting comebacks wins is sonething else.I think this highlights a fundamental point: you don't build on results, you build on performances.
Thank you.As an opposition fan here, not trolling, your problem isn't McFred its the players round them, defensively they do feck all. I watched the whole game and your full backs and Bruno don't press backwards they are left on their own.
I watched it and your full backs and Bruno press forward aimlessly, but going back they just stand there with McFred and your 2 CBs left.Anyone with an ounce of sense can see the problem runs more deeper than a defensive midfielder, just as Scholes called it also.
I think he has to say that in front of the cameras.Ole what he said today. He is deluded if he thinks the coaches are brilliant and we are close to his vision so wont give up. Does he really believe that or is he that pig headed he cant admit when he is wrong. His lies are getting worse.
Ah the second place trophy, on a massive 74 points, 7 less than Mourinho managed with the same midfield.Yeah actually your right! I just remembered a certain manager finished 2nd in the league with this exact midfield last season
It’s been that way for a long time, we don’t know how to press, it’s why under Ole we’ve always looked better as a pure counter attacking side. Now it seems every single team has wised up to that so we’re trying something that resembles school yard football, and whoever plays at CB and the two sitting midfielders especially are asked to do an impossible job.I watched it and your full backs and Bruno press forward aimlessly, but going back they just stand there with McFred and your 2 CBs left.
Just pointing out that he ‘made it work’ to some extent with that midfield as I think you put it, but it’s been a topic for a long time. Nobody was happy with McFred even when we did well for spells.Ah the second place trophy, on a massive 74 points, 7 less than Mourinho managed with the same midfield.
We all knew that 2nd place was a red herring, Liverpool and Chelsea’s form showed us that, we simply capitalised in a season with crap home form and where we incredibly recovered from crap first half after crap first half after crap fiest half, completely unsustainable stuff.
I agree totally its really odd as to why, they get so much shit.Thank you.
Yet people wanna replace both with 1 DM and shoehorn Pogba/another attacking midfielder next to Fernandes. Its like they're playing FIFA.
What are two guys supposed to do against 3 midfielders and overlapping full backs rushing them from all sides.
There's a limit to what a manager can do. We saw that last season when Klopp lost his centrebacks. We saw it before he signed VVD and Allison.We've won leagues with a mixture of some utter crap midfields.
Liverpool just wiped the floor with us playing Henderson, Milner and Keita.
Give me a shout when you wake up and realise that exceptional managers make even imperfect things work, whereas crap ones instead highlight the weaknesses. A top manager would get a squad of midfielders including DVB, Fernandes, Fred, Pogba, McTominay, Matic doing a job that highlights their strengths, rather than highlights and exposes all their weaknesses.
But why do the rest of the team seemingly get a by ball?It’s been that way for a long time, we don’t know how to press, it’s why under Ole we’ve always looked better as a pure counter attacking side. Now it seems every single team has wised up to that so we’re trying something that resembles school yard football, and whoever plays at CB and the two sitting midfielders especially are asked to do an impossible job.
McTom & Fred are easy targets, as are Matic and Pogba.But why do the rest of the team seemingly get a by ball?
You watch that game and its the wide men, Bruno and your full backs that were absent IMO of course.McTom & Fred are easy targets, as are Matic and Pogba.
Our midfield really isn't that crap and it doesn't help when your manager is shifting your best passer out to the wing or has him sat on the bench today. Once upon a time SAF had Tom Cleverly holding his ground against Modric and Alonso vs Madrid. Henderson at Liverpool was deemed rubbish before Klopp came in. A manager worth his salt will squeeze much more out of this midfield.There's a limit to what a manager can do. We saw that last season when Klopp lost his centrebacks. We saw it before he signed VVD and Allison.
But none of that excuses Ole. Like it's been said a million times, our midfield is crap and he's allowed it to be crap.
Liverpool's midfield isn't the greatest individually but the three at least mix well, they compliment each other. Then of course that midfield is made up for by the fullbacks mainly.