I always want Manchester United to lose unless it can make Ole stay.
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Have you ever been closer to wanting us to lose?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Never wanted it honestly. I can dislike the manager or certain players' performances but I never want to see United losing, especially in a humiliating or stupid way.
I dunno about looding.
But i did quit my premier league tv channel during Jose era once.
I watch football to be entertained and this football we play is not very entertaining.
But i did quit my premier league tv channel during Jose era once.
I watch football to be entertained and this football we play is not very entertaining.
Losing by five clear goals at home to our biggest rival in the worst manner possible hasn't changed anything, so even the suggestion that Ole will get the sack if we lose today is unrealistic. The club hierarchy has shown that they're a bunch of utterly incompetent so and so by bottling it this week. We all may as well want us to win emphatically.
I have to admit, it’s grim, and a loss definitely would suck, but also you have to remember, we are in this grim situation because of the manager.. not that I want us to lose to Spurs.
Nah, not really. A heavy defeat tomorrow would be the end of Ole.
An insipid draw or win will be enough to keep the wolves at bay from the board perspective. A narrow defeat would probably be another stay of execution.
Basic common sense provided you hold the belief that the overall trend of results and performances are not going to improve under Ole, and that there's no way for him to turn it around long term.
It's the logical position if you take emotion out of it.
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What a stupid thread!!
I still want us to win. I don't think we gain anything from losing. Speaking to a colleague at work that thinks the opposite, she feels the board won't do anything about a manager who is clearly not good enough unless we lose games. It's a contradictory logic but not bizarre.
If manager wins games, shirely it means he's good enough.
If manager wins games, shirely it means he's good enough.
At this point I want Ole out. If its done by us losing so feck it. Sometimes a loss can be a win. We wouldn't have gone for SAF if Big Ron won the EPL. My only issue is if a loss would bring Ole down. I mean this guy had won nothing as manager, he had threw semi finals and a final in the bin, he had wasted a big chunk of money and he had lost against Liverpool 5-0 at home. Yet he's still at the job.
Absolutely hate to lose any game.
However, Utd are in a bizarre situation caused by the board. If a loss would guarantee the immediate dismissal of a manager who is under performing and holding back the club….
However, Utd are in a bizarre situation caused by the board. If a loss would guarantee the immediate dismissal of a manager who is under performing and holding back the club….
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Wanting us to lose is just plain dumb, bunch of idiots in here started that shit during LvG and defended with a for a greater good bullshit, i mean few years later, here we are again.
He won’t go unless games are lost so you can’t really want him to go and want us to win matches at the same time - it’s just a fallacy for people who don’t want to confront the reality of the situation.
Personally I’ve just reached a point of apathy where I just don’t care if we win or not. The way this club is run is so ridiculous it’s not worth getting emotional about. If he goes great but still don’t trust we will make the right appointment and if he stays I’ll just watch the calamity unfold without really investing in it.
Personally I’ve just reached a point of apathy where I just don’t care if we win or not. The way this club is run is so ridiculous it’s not worth getting emotional about. If he goes great but still don’t trust we will make the right appointment and if he stays I’ll just watch the calamity unfold without really investing in it.
I'd be happy for short term misery to a give long term happiness. If it takes losing a few games to change our fortunes longer term, count me in.
This is a stupid argument.
The aim of football is to win, regardless of who the players and the manager are.
If we win every one of the remaining games this season, you would no longer want Ole sacked.
The aim of football is to win, regardless of who the players and the manager are.
If we win every one of the remaining games this season, you would no longer want Ole sacked.
Still feel far better about us now than under Mourinho. That was miles worse for me. Massive cnut of a manager who also had a **** like following on here and played shocking football too. That Liverpool game last week was probably one of the worst games I’ve ever seen but I still don’t feel anywhere near as bad as under Jose towards the end.
I've never gotten why people find this notion so controversial. It's not like I'll paint my face white and sing Spurs songs. If I was at the stadium, I'd be supporting the team.
But at the end of the day, United need a new manager more than three points, and it was the same with Moyes, LVG and Mourinho near the end. With all four, I've had games that I deep down wanted us to lose because a win would seem pointless, just postponing the point where you could start to feel positive about United.
I honestly don't get why it causes such offense.
As for the thread: I think Ole should be relieved of his duties but was much more against LVG, Moyes and Mourinho near their respective ends.
But at the end of the day, United need a new manager more than three points, and it was the same with Moyes, LVG and Mourinho near the end. With all four, I've had games that I deep down wanted us to lose because a win would seem pointless, just postponing the point where you could start to feel positive about United.
I honestly don't get why it causes such offense.
As for the thread: I think Ole should be relieved of his duties but was much more against LVG, Moyes and Mourinho near their respective ends.
Seriously doubt that The Glazers have give him one full week of training and the result against Spurs to hang onto his job. The whole, wanting us to lose to change the manager narrative is utterly bonkers to me.
Personally, would prefer us to win AND change the manager.
Personally, would prefer us to win AND change the manager.
Same. Keeping him on much much bigger lost for the club.
I could never want us to lose (i.e. support the opposition) but today I’m genuinely not fussed if we win, lose or draw. I literally couldn’t care less what the scoreline is because it won’t change a thing. We seen that this week. Same shite, different day and just plod along as usual.
Win and for me it just papers over the cracks.
Draw and that probably just seems like the best we can hope for during these times.
Lose and is anyone genuinely surprised if we do?
Win and for me it just papers over the cracks.
Draw and that probably just seems like the best we can hope for during these times.
Lose and is anyone genuinely surprised if we do?
It's really not a difficult concept to understand. If you take Chelsea as an example and you go back in time to Lampard's final game. If he wins he stays for the season, if he loses he gets sacked and they bring in Tuchel. As a Chelsea fan which do you want?
Wanting us to lose is despicable. Come 5:30 I‘ll be fully behind the team as always, cheering us on. We need the 3 points
I have never wanted us to lose. But I felt the upside of losing, to put it that way, much more strongly under Mourinho than now. I wanted him out - unequivocally and unreservedly, and not just in a sadly-it-did-not-work-out sort of way. Because I fundamentally loathe and despise his approach to football, and pretty much everything else about him. Seeing him in the manager's chair at United was just torture. But, it was still United.
Now, I think OGS has run the course and that he won't be able to fix this. I understand the impatience for resolution. But if we get another walloping today, is that really good? The way I see it, we have problems that need fixing, no matter who the manager is. People get drawn into this idea that the problems are the manager's fault, and so they will disappear as soon as there's someone else in the chair. It's not that simple, I think. We need to start making progress on solving them, whoever is in the chair. If we continue to plumb the depths, it starts hurting things like basic confidence and squad cohesion, which will affect the successor's starting point too.
There's no one lined up - we'd be going into the Atalanta game, and probably City too, with Carrick or Phelan. Because there'd be no other option. At worst, we make a hasty commitment to a new permanent boss not because it's the right choice, but because we're in a hard place. This would not be good. On balance, the best outcome would be for the present lot to eke out results for a bit. I get that people fear that would mean Ole continues in the job, but I don't think that will happen even if he can halt the slide. Unless he can do so spectacularly, and send us off on a 15 game winning streak or something like that. And if he can do that and maintain that kind of form through the season, then maybe he shouldn't be fired after all. it must be said though that at this stage, that feels like science fiction.
Ultimately it's self-defeating and topsy-turvy to want bad results because that would mean the manager gets fired. It's the other way around - you want the manager fired because the results are bad.
Now, I think OGS has run the course and that he won't be able to fix this. I understand the impatience for resolution. But if we get another walloping today, is that really good? The way I see it, we have problems that need fixing, no matter who the manager is. People get drawn into this idea that the problems are the manager's fault, and so they will disappear as soon as there's someone else in the chair. It's not that simple, I think. We need to start making progress on solving them, whoever is in the chair. If we continue to plumb the depths, it starts hurting things like basic confidence and squad cohesion, which will affect the successor's starting point too.
There's no one lined up - we'd be going into the Atalanta game, and probably City too, with Carrick or Phelan. Because there'd be no other option. At worst, we make a hasty commitment to a new permanent boss not because it's the right choice, but because we're in a hard place. This would not be good. On balance, the best outcome would be for the present lot to eke out results for a bit. I get that people fear that would mean Ole continues in the job, but I don't think that will happen even if he can halt the slide. Unless he can do so spectacularly, and send us off on a 15 game winning streak or something like that. And if he can do that and maintain that kind of form through the season, then maybe he shouldn't be fired after all. it must be said though that at this stage, that feels like science fiction.
Ultimately it's self-defeating and topsy-turvy to want bad results because that would mean the manager gets fired. It's the other way around - you want the manager fired because the results are bad.
People these post threads seemingly convinced a defeat in the next game will grant their wish of Ole being sacked. A 5-0 home defeat to Liverpool didn't guarantee that, but maybe the next one will or the one after that...
I’m hoping for a win from an undeniably poor performance, a la Villarreal or Wolves. Feels like the only way that we can somehow keep the league season alive but also keep up the Ole out momentum.
No, because the thought is almost as stupid as wanting us to get relegated to remove the owners.
Call me old school, but I never want the team to lose! You support the team at all costs
So you think staying with an even shitter coach for a couple more games or the entire season, risking falling further from top 4 and the CL early is worth it. Fair enough.
No tbh. While I want him gone, we actually do need points on the board. He likely/hopefully won't survive the run until the end of November either way. I would hate to see us miles off top four when someone else comes in. Even if he survives the next 3, there's absolutely no way our form will improve to any discernible level, so he's a dead man walking.
People were convinced Liverpool handing us a spanking would see him sacked, yet here we are. Ths problem is, he should be gone, but the fact he's not, just shows that the Board are going to do anything to justify his continued employment.
People were convinced Liverpool handing us a spanking would see him sacked, yet here we are. Ths problem is, he should be gone, but the fact he's not, just shows that the Board are going to do anything to justify his continued employment.
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If we win, the board will think we're on the right track. I'm surprised at how many who doesn't see how dangerous it is if we win. I've said for over two years that Ole is a poor coach and has gotten abuse from people who don't know football. If we lose this, a new manager (maybe Conte) can come in and we can save this season. With that said, I will cheer if United scores, and I will probably sit on my couch screaming when Maguire falls over, but my rational side knows that we must lose this game for us as a club to move forward.
If a loss means Solskjaer gone I'm all for it. No pain no gain
Given the higher manager turnover we're seeing post-SAF, it means you must spend a good portion of games every year or every other year wanting United to lose.
That seems extremely strange and makes supporting a team some kind of endurance challenge.
I would suspect you've gotten disagreement, if not abuse, also from a good few people who know quite a lot about football.
That is exactly what is reported in the media though. Ole has been given three games max. There is a very high chance Ole will be gone if we lose to Spurs (by a couple goals margin)
Ole has turned the club into one giant meme. We're a laughing stock in the footballing world yet people wouldn't accept a defeat if it means getting rid of him? 90% have voted for him to be sacked. The only way that's going to happen is if we lose games so unless people think Ole is somehow going to miraculously turn it around it's a bit hypocritical calling out posters for thinking a loss can actually be a win.
Anyone who thought Ole is good enough after watching us for two years doesn't know football. It's that easy, sorry to say. We have and had so many basic faults in our football regarding pressing, buildup, patterns of play, and so on. But everyone just kept screaming about better players, which don't save him, which some of us knew all along. if we take Potter for example. It's possible he won't be a world-class manager who can manage top teams, but the fundamentals are there. He develops players, he develops his football, he has a clear style. But with ole, I'm just shocked because he is such a poor coach. Now when Steve Bruce is gone he is arguably the worst football coach in the league. I do recognize that he does other stuff quite well, such as building a good group of players and so on but simply as a coach he and his stab is the worst we've had during my lifetime and after three years in the job, and spending £200m on four new defenders, he still can't set up a defense.
I always want Utd to win but I have come to the point where I barely feel disappointed if we lose because losing has become normal in the past few years. I just expect it.
And I never felt like that in the 90's and 2000's. Never. Even when we were losing in a game.
And I never felt like that in the 90's and 2000's. Never. Even when we were losing in a game.
We can drop a game or two more and if we get a proper manager who can organize us properly we can get back on track again. There is absolutely no benefit from us winning under Ole anymore and it's a hard thing to say that it's come to this point but it's the truth. The Glazers will honestly think he's a manager with substance if we get anything from the next few games.
I dont want to lose but the board is so fecking incompetent they are forcing people to want it. Ole should have been sacked by now and a couple more losses will for sure put the final nail in the coffin
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Ive never once wanted United to lose.
Ive just said I have never come closer to it because this manager unlike his predecessors is barely a coach in the first place. He has negligable coaching pedigree. Also unlike his predecessors he has a squad thats capable of big things here and now, and it's an immense waste to see it potentially squandered just because we won a game that could buy him 2 more months.
I blame that on the board's ineptitude.
I feel dirty. I want us to win but I wouldn’t mind us losing.
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