Ole Sack Watch

[Rhyme Animal]

Getting more and more convinced it's an old boys club these days. Keep the lads you know in jobs by all means necessary.

That’s exactly what Utd is now. I mean, what more do you need to see…?

 

[Rash Decision]

That’s exactly what Utd is now. I mean, what more do you need to see…?

They’ll disprove this notion that it’s an old boys’ club by hiring Rodgers. Just you wait and see.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Spot on. I get that people are desperate for success and/or Ole to be sacked, but if we did go ahead and bring abord Conte, would that mean we would win the league? Hes a good manager no doubt, but hes also up against two(or three) of the best managers on the planet, who all had a lot more time to refine their teams

How does hiring Conte go against the groundwork that has been laid?

 

[Bobcat]

There's no guarantees either way, but I think short term Conte is more likely to win than the alternatives on offer. This isn't like Mourinho, who looked like damaged goods when he left Chelsea. Conte won the league just last season, making it 5 league titles in his last 7 seasons as a club manager.

Also, even if Conte didnt win this season (an 8 point gap is hard to turn), he would go into next season warm. A new manager in the summer would go into next season as a new face and wouldn't be expected to realistically challenge, especially if we go with Ten Haag or Potter, or some other manager stepping up for the first time. Waiting til summer could mean we're then waiting til 2023-2024 for a tilt at the title.

But as history has shown Conte very rarely stays at one place for too long. If he failed to win it this season, and the next one, there is a very real probability he would have left us and we would be back to square one.

There is this weird idea around here that changing managers often is a sure way to success, but if you look at Liverpool and City they have been there 6/5 years, where as Contes longest tenure was the three years he spent at Juventus, where he enjoyed unrivaled domestic success.

 

[FootyGirl88]

That’s exactly what Utd is now. I mean, what more do you need to see…?

Roy Keane practically told us this a few years back. Its a damn shame.

 

[Roboc7]

Pretty much. This place bang on about how badly run we are, but are furious we aren't jumping at the chance to hire a manager who goes against a lot of the groundwork that has been laid over the last couple of seasons. It's hilariously daft, but to be expected on SadCafe.

There’s no groundwork, Ole has just spent a lot of money on individual players without any kind of sustainable plan. The next manager has to come in and correct this.

 

[Abhinav]

I preferred Ten Hag or Zidane over Conte so not really too concerned about us not getting him. What is concerning is the seeming lack of proactiveness from our board to convince these managers to join us now. If Spurs can convince Conte to join them, why can’t we with all our resources convince an out of job Zidane or an Ajax manager to join us? Lack of apathy from our board in contrast to the reaction from Spurs is infuriating.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I preferred Ten Hag or Zidane over Conte so not really too concerned about us not getting him. What is concerning is the seeming lack of proactiveness from our board to convince these managers to join us now. If Spurs can convince Conte to join them, why can’t we with all our resources convince an out of job Zidane or an Ajax manager to join us? Lack of apathy from our board in contrast to the reaction from Spurs is infuriating.

As per the reports Zidane isn't really interested so we can't be overly choosey. In our current position, to justify letting a top top manager, we have to have something great to show for it soon.

 

[Rash Decision]

As per the reports Zidane isn't really interested so we can't be overly choosey. In our current position, to justify letting a top top manager, we have to have something great to show for it soon.

That something great is likely Ole continuing next season with a shiny new DM and more waffle from the club about being delighted with his phenomenal success.

Or, Rodgers.

 

[Abhinav]

As per the reports Zidane isn't really interested so we can't be overly choosey. In our current position, to justify letting a top top manager, we have to have something great to show for it soon.

I agree with that. If we have decided not to make a move for Conte I desperately hope the club has something else planned. Talks of Rodgers or waiting for Pochetinho is disconcerting to say the least.

 

[red4ever 79]

I agree with that. If we have decided not to make a move for Conte I desperately hope the club has something else planned. Talks of Rodgers or waiting for Pochetinho is disconcerting to say the least.

You must be joking. We are talking about the most incompetent board and CEO in football. Our standard and expectations have dropped massively.

 

[Redfrog]

But as history has shown Conte very rarely stays at one place for too long. If he failed to win it this season, and the next one, there is a very real probability he would have left us and we would be back to square one.

There is this weird idea around here that changing managers often is a sure way to success, but if you look at Liverpool and City they have been there 6/5 years, where as Contes longest tenure was the three years he spent at Juventus, where he enjoyed unrivaled domestic success.

The problem is we doesn’t seem to build something at all. Hell, Ole just bought in Sancho to go all attack and reverted to 5 at the back making his marquee signing a surplus to requirement. He doesn’t know what he is doing. We can all speak about long term plan but in reality it’s day by day struggles with Ole : the only plan is how to not get sacked next day.

Long terms plan are fine when you have one of the best managers in the world not someone who has no idea with a rookie coaching team. That’s just amateurish and excuses for failure.

In 3 years Ole has nothing to show for. Do you think it’s the case for Klopp. More time won’t change him in a world class manager.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Roy Keane practically told us this a few years back. Its a damn shame.

What did he say?

There’s no groundwork, Ole has just spent a lot of money on individual players without any kind of sustainable plan. The next manager has to come in and correct this.

This is such an understated truth.

I think there’s this obligation to credit OGS with *something*, and in the face of him achieving utterly nothing people have settled on ‘laying foundations’… this is nonsense, all he’s done is buy a massive, top heavy squad of individuals and nothing else.

OGS has implemented no style of football in the slightest and essentially manages ‘game to game’, he’s built nothing and laid no foundations whatsoever.

Anyone could’ve gone in there and spent half a billion on big name attackers.

LvG was also ‘laying foundations’ if you remember, though in his case he did actually have an actual philosophy of football that was implemented

 

[padzilla]

Hopefully Atalanta do the business tonight and bring us closer to the end of this sorry saga.

 

[SATA]

Hopefully Atalanta do the business tonight and bring us closer to the end of this sorry saga.

You want the team to lose tonight and not qualifying for the knockouts just to see Ole sacked? Okay.

 

[tenpoless]

You want the team to lose tonight and not qualifying for the knockouts just to see Ole sacked? Okay.

Hopefully it brings a story to ninja saga

 

[padzilla]

You want the team to lose tonight and not qualifying for the knockouts just to see Ole sacked? Okay.

Absolutely. I would tolerate short term pain for long term gain.

 

[Sviken]

At this point I'm convinced Ole won't get sacked no matter what happens. He's just the perfect patsy for the board to hide behind. Loss against Atalanta and City, job threatened, win against Watford, job steadied, repeat. Cue another 200 million spending spree next season to fight for top 4. Thrilling years await us, for sure.

 

[sewey89]

Absolutely. I would tolerate short term pain for long term gain.

Absolutely ridiculous

 

[Rightnr]

At this point, I don't really care what happens because you know a car crash is coming.

Not sure if it's been posted but Laurie Whitwell's article saying Conte doesn't work with our corporate structure is all you need to know about this company. If you want them to change, don't applaud, don't buy merch, don't buy the shirts.

 

[wolvored]

Just said on the United Stand that the Athletic have quoted the club basically saying Conte was too volatile for the conservativeship of the board!

 

[sewey89]

At this point I'm convinced Ole won't get sacked no matter what happens. He's just the perfect patsy for the board to hide behind. Loss against Atalanta and City, job threatened, win against Watford, job steadied, repeat. Cue another 200 million spending spree next season to fight for top 4. Thrilling years await us, for sure.

It was quite widely reported that his job was under serious discussion last week and if there was somebody who the board fancied available, then he’d have gone. Unless we go on a run similar to last season, I think he’ll do well to see out the season.

 

[Salford_Red83]

I don't believe this is true but if it is then the win against Spurs might have done more damage to our future than a loss against Liverpool. I can't believe that all it takes to impress senior figures at OT is just a single win against a side as poor as Spurs were under Nuno.

It's not like this hasn't happened before with them and Ole... remember that night in Paris?

 

[padzilla]

This is Manchester United an elite club managed by an incompetent jobsworth. He needs to go, the sooner that happens the better. Scraping past the easiest group in CL history isn't saying much.

 

[largelyworried]

But as history has shown Conte very rarely stays at one place for too long. If he failed to win it this season, and the next one, there is a very real probability he would have left us and we would be back to square one.

There is this weird idea around here that changing managers often is a sure way to success, but if you look at Liverpool and City they have been there 6/5 years, where as Contes longest tenure was the three years he spent at Juventus, where he enjoyed unrivaled domestic success.

The only long term managers are successful ones. No manager at a big club will stay in their job if they don't win, the pressure to sack them is too much. Pep isn't still manager at City because of a long term plan. He's the manager because he started winning quickly and kept winning. If he'd failed to win the title 3 seasons in a row, he'd be gone, same as anyone else. Ole has just about managed 2 & a half seasons before fans started giving up on him en masse, which given his legend status, tells me that's the absolute maximum anyone can expect before the fans want him out. I suspect any other new manager has to start winning stuff, or at least seriously competing at the top of the table, within 2 years at the most.

So when it comes to choosing a manager, the first decision has to be - are they a viable competitor to Pep, Klopp and Tuchel in the next two seasons? Because if they're not, then it doesn't matter how long term their plan is, they won't be around to see it happen.

Once we shortlist managers that have a realistic chance of beating Pep and co, we then choose from them according to other criteria - style, longevity, link to fans, etc. But success is a prerequisite.

 

[sewey89]

Just said on the United Stand that the Athletic have quoted the club basically saying Conte was too volatile for the conservativeship of the board!

He left his last 2 jobs after falling out with the club and text his star striker at Chelsea telling him he was gone. He wins a few trophies, sure, but he does it in a very volatile way. Our board are on the stand for a lot of things, being wary and ultimately steering clear of conte isn’t one of those for me

 

[sewey89]

This is Manchester United an elite club managed by an incompetent jobsworth. He needs to go, the sooner that happens the better. Scraping past the easiest group in CL history isn't saying much.

You’re embarrassing yourself at this point

 

[padzilla]

You’re embarrassing yourself at this point

Ha ha... says the Ole fanboy who probably wanked himself into a coma at beating a hapless Spurs.

 

[Sviken]

It was quite widely reported that his job was under serious discussion last week and if there was somebody who the board fancied available, then he’d have gone. Unless we go on a run similar to last season, I think he’ll do well to see out the season.

"Considering and Monitoring FC". Give me a break with this crap. And what does 'board fancied' even mean? Another puppet like Ole who's just happy to be here? Every top manager is demanding. If the board expects to get a world class manager, then they better get used to it because you won't find wet flannels at this level of football.

 

[sewey89]

Ha ha... says the Ole fanboy who probably wanked himself into a coma at beating a hapless Spurs.

Pathetic. I’m not an ‘Ole fanboy’. I’ve said quite openly that I don’t feel he’s the right man for the job, I’m just not irate that somebody else who I feel isn’t right for the job (and would be far more damaging long term) has accepted a job elsewhere.

The desire to see your own team lose is something I can never ever get behind

 

[padzilla]

"Considering and Monitoring FC". Give me a break with this crap. And what does 'board fancied' even mean? Another puppet like Ole who's just happy to be here? Every top manager is demanding. If the board expects to get a world class manager, then they better get used to it because you won't find wet flannels at this level of football.

Manchester United should not be scraping the bottom of the sales section of who is out of work or employed by a minnow who will be easily obtained for their next manager.
There are many managers who could be obtained if the club really wanted them and then paid a severance package to their employer.

 

[padzilla]

Pathetic. I’m not an ‘Ole fanboy’. I’ve said quite openly that I don’t feel he’s the right man for the job, I’m just not irate that somebody else who I feel isn’t right for the job (and would be far more damaging long term) has accepted a job elsewhere.

The desire to see your own team lose is something I can never ever get behind

That's exactly what advocating keeping Ole in charge is though ultimately.

 

[sewey89]

"Considering and Monitoring FC". Give me a break with this crap. And what does 'board fancied' even mean? Another puppet like Ole who's just happy to be here? Every top manager is demanding. If the board expects to get a world class manager, then they better get used to it because you won't find wet flannels at this level of football.

Not every top manager is as volatile as Antonio Conte. Look at how his last 2 jobs ended. The board are looking long term when avoiding Conte, I feel it’s the right decision. I may be proved wrong, I may be proved right. I just believe that there is such a desire to get rid of Ole from a lot of people on here that they’re ignoring the glaring cons in apponting Conte

 

[Sviken]

Manchester United should not be scraping the bottom of the sales section of who is out of work or employed by a minnow who will be easily obtained for their next manager.
There are many managers who could be obtained if the club really wanted them and then paid a severance package to their employer.

On what planet do you live in, man? Conte is top 5 in managers. We're also a joke of a club, I'm sorry but it's true. Klopp rejected us, Zidane rejected us, Guardiola rejected us. We're not as "big" as you think we are, not anymore that is.

Not every top manager is as volatile as Antonio Conte. Look at how his last 2 jobs ended. The board are looking long term when avoiding Conte, I feel it’s the right decision. I may be proved wrong, I may be proved right. I just believe that there is such a desire to get rid of Ole from a lot of people on here that they’re ignoring the glaring cons in apponting Conte

Oh so you'd refuse Tuchel? Or Zidane? Or Guardiola? Because they are the absolute same to Conte. Yeah, sure, you can go for Poch, he'd be happy to be here. But he is not a world class manager and he is never going to take us to that next level with this competition we have in the PL. But fine - Ole at the wheel yay.

 

[Rightnr]

He left his last 2 jobs after falling out with the club and text his star striker at Chelsea telling him he was gone. He wins a few trophies, sure, but he does it in a very volatile way. Our board are on the stand for a lot of things, being wary and ultimately steering clear of conte isn’t one of those for me

Absolutely ridiculous.

Wins a few trophies? How many leagues have we won in the last 10 years since SAF left? We've barely won a cup here or there.

This fanbase is seriously going to send this club to the doldrums within the next 10 years and it would be completely deserved.

People deserve their politicians and the fans of United deserve this shit ownership because they tolerate being treated like money sacks and the club like a treasury for wealthy snakes from the US.

 

[largelyworried]

Manchester United should not be scraping the bottom of the sales section of who is out of work or employed by a minnow who will be easily obtained for their next manager.
There are many managers who could be obtained if the club really wanted them and then paid a severance package to their employer.

Conte has won the league 5 times out of his last 7 league campaigns. Bottom of the barrel he is not.

 

[padzilla]

On what planet do you live in, man? Conte is top 5 in managers. We're also a joke of a club, I'm sorry but it's true. Klopp rejected us, Zidane rejected us, Guardiola rejected us. We're not as "big" as you think we are, not anymore that is.

Oh so you'd refuse Tuchel? Or Zidane? Or Guardiola? Because they are the absolute same to Conte. Yeah, sure, you can go for Poch, he'd be happy to be here. But he is not a world class manager and he is never going to take us to that next level with this competition we have in the PL. But fine - Ole at the wheel yay.

Apologies I didn't mean Conte wasn't up to the task, it was a criticism of us only ever being linked with out of work managers. If Conte didn't impress the board because Ole Smithers licks their arses, there are literally dozens of other managers who would jump at the chance to manage us but we're not interested or connected with, because they're not out of work. There isn't a manager in the PL, La Liga, Bundesliga or Serie A who would be worse than Ole.

 

[AltiUn]

He left his last 2 jobs after falling out with the club and text his star striker at Chelsea telling him he was gone. He wins a few trophies, sure, but he does it in a very volatile way. Our board are on the stand for a lot of things, being wary and ultimately steering clear of conte isn’t one of those for me

Not sure we're really in a position to be turning our nose up at someone who wins trophies though.

 

[Withnail]

But as history has shown Conte very rarely stays at one place for too long. If he failed to win it this season, and the next one, there is a very real probability he would have left us and we would be back to square one.

There is this weird idea around here that changing managers often is a sure way to success, but if you look at Liverpool and City they have been there 6/5 years, where as Contes longest tenure was the three years he spent at Juventus, where he enjoyed unrivaled domestic success.

I was reading an interview recently with a journalist who covers Serie A.

He made the point that while Conte has fallen out with owners or left as his best players were sold out from under him he generally leaves clubs in a good position and they all seem to continue to be successful after he leaves.

He also pointed out that Bonucci praises him very highly and puts a lot of store in the mentality he instilled in the team. He says this has stayed with them and contributed to their continued success.

The other point is the most appts are short term these days (2/3 years) anyway. I would have had no issue with him coming in for 2/3 years, instilling that kind of mentality and you'd have to think with his record he'd have improve things such that we'd be challenging.

 

[the_cliff]

People on this forum would rather have a 'long term' plan than win trophies. The dream of the next 'Fergie' is worth more than Silverware why do you think we're the new Liverpool ? We hire old players because they were successful players even though they have 0 experience, our fans are stuck in the past, and our management spend half the time reminding us of where we were and telling us not to worry we'll be back there soon. Well it's worked out well so far. Here's to the next 10 years of no league because we want to turn down a proven winner because we want to take a chance on a non proven manager because we want a long term manager.

We've seen it happen to Liverpool before our very eyes and are making the exact same mistakes over and over.