I reckon he will get Spurs top 4 and 2 trophies. The ECL and the league cup.
As a Spurs fan are you excited by Conte?
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As a Spurs fan are you excited by Conte?
Option for an extra year though, no? So I’m predicting option taken when things are looking good during next season and then it’ll fall apart.
Nobody is saying Conte makes players walk on water or that Spurs will win the league.
You mention nobody in the spurs squad having any "real signs of getting to that level". Well the point was that Conte will raise the optimal level of the entire team. At the end of the day isn't one of the most prominent features of an elite manager the ability to maximize the sum talent of every player in order to create the best whole?
The same players you mentioned during his first stint at Juve (Bonucci, Chiellini etc) were a part of the team that finished mid-table the seasons prior. He turned the same into invincibles at his very first attempt. Literally, no other coach in the history of the Italian top flight has done it before or since. He did sign Pirlo from Milan but before he went on to have a renissance the prevaling thought from many at the was that Pirlo was already past his best. It was Conte who wished to add him to his team. He is credited with starting Juve's dominance but the path for success wasn't as cut and dry as it appears now.
At both Inter and Chelsea, he had a few world class players, and few just a ring below. He acheived the highest amount of domestic success with that. At Spurs currently, he has a few world class players (Kane, Son, perhaps Lloris) and a few just a ring below. We also have to operate under the assumption that he will be backed across the next two transfer windows at least.
I don't think Tottenham will win the league nor that he is neccesarily the best coach in the world but he's one of the 5 or 6 very best and under any circumstances securing a coach of his calibre for a club like Tottenham is a major coup I don't see how that could be argued otherwise.
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I agree with you. The Spurs squad isn't near Inters in terms of players ability. However, I'm not talking about winning the league. I'm not expecting Spurs to compete with City, Liverpool and Chelsea.
If you look at the teams Spurs will most likely be competing for that 4th place with, realistically it's just Arsenal and United.
You're an Arsenal fan so I'm sure I don't need to tell you about your problems with inconsistency, then we have United which is another inconsistent mess at the moment, yes, you can argue we have a far better squad than Tottenham which is true but we don't play like it and haven't ever played like it. We struggle to beat and break down mid table teams and get destroyed on the counter because of our tactics and formation.
I guess what I'm trying to say is Spurs don't need to suddenly go on a 12 game winning streak to finish top 4, they just have to become a solid unit and pick up points against the mid table/lower table teams and 4th will be all but theirs. That's something I can see Conte doing quite comfortably with that Spurs squad. Meanwhile Arsenal and United despite having better overall teams I still see them dropping points against any to every opposition.
He didn't leave in a way that he could regret tbh.
^ This.
Coming soon to a pub quiz near you - which manager was sacked from two different PL clubs in 11 games?
6 months of average results with this squad would not be panic though would it?
What I am trying to say is that it shouldn't take a 5-0 loss to Liverpool to realise the manager isnt the one.
Ambition is when you realise, Liverpool, City, Chelsea have top managers and you change yours before the season starts so we can compete with them.
That is what ambition is, what Spurs are doing is not ambition, they hired Nuno 3 months ago, are you trying to say they just became ambitious in that time?
That’s some appointment. He will not take any shit from Harry Kane either.
Watching all the reactions from the football world and its like they are deliberately wumming us.
Wish we're doing that with our managers, instead no, we splash 3 years contract after losing Europe League final.
I would say their ambitions are more than winning 5 games out of 10, so they've replaced their manager. They clearly aren't happy that the old manager could lose a game at home to a rival that they have ambitions to be as good as, or compete with.
My point is what does that say about our ambitions?
It took less than 20 games for the dressing room to turn on Nuno. I can't imagine they'd like Conte any more. I doubt the marriage will last beyond this season, in all honesty.
Spurs squad is better than people think imo. Conte could fight for the league with them in 2022, with some addition of quality.
Nah. He's a very good coach but Spurs don't have that potential. Conte isn't on par with Pep or Klopp, probably somewhere around Tuchel level or a tier below. Spurs don't have the financial potential or squad quality of any of those clubs though. United could compete because of our squad power and financial power combined with a top coach, but he's still not on par with Pep/Klopp.
What Spurs squad are you looking at?
I agree here with BR
In addition, Kane more than anyone knows the the potential, and lack there of at Spurs. This almost ensures that Kane will go in January.
This is going to be interesting during the transfer window as Conte's wish-list comes in contention with Levy's shrewd business tactics.
Spurs don't have terribly difficult fixtures over the next month, but once they come up against some of the tough fixtures, Tottingham fans will be ripping the wheels off the bus.
Personally, I'm sick of Sky Sports covering Conte like he's the second coming of Christ
I'm surprised he's gone there really. They aren't going to win the league or the Champions League. Not only that, they may not even get into the Champions League, never mind thinking about winning it. He could get them into 5th and MAYBE and FA Cup along the way, which would be great for Spurs, but not sure if it's necessarily great for Conte.
I guess beggars can't be choosers and there isn't a great deal of choice out there at the moment in terms of available clubs, but not sure what constitutes success for him.
I guess beggars can't be choosers and there isn't a great deal of choice out there at the moment in terms of available clubs, but not sure what constitutes success for him.
I agree. But the problem is, even if he gets them top 4(which I think will be overachieving with the Spurs squad), that means its us who lose out on CL.
Not good.
I mean it has been clear since Jose days what our ambition is, top 4.
The time we finish second and sign Fred and Dalot, this board is not ambitious, its nothing new.
They won't fight for title but they will easily get top 4 and build from there. Remember we told that Klopp won't take dippers to CL with an average squad ? Having a talented established manager makes a huge difference.
They will improve dramatically. Top4 contenders.
Excited yes, interested to see what players react and what don't, yes. I just pray Levy doesn't feck it up with his meddling, Conte has clearly been made promises if this turns sour Levy has no where to hide. The rest of this season will basically be a preseason for next year. He will bring some excitement and passion we haven't had since Poch which is what the clubs needs.
Franck Kessie would be an awesome start to the new year.
So if Spurs dont finish above United, they have had a bad season in your metric cause the manager makes the bigger difference?
Ofcourse yes, give a window and judge them again end of season. See if they have improved ? You don't need 3 years and 6 windows to see if someone is making progress.
Conte is comfortably ahead of Tuchel. One CL crown doesn't match all that Conte has achieved. Tuchel has been great at Chelsea and is writing his own story but as of now he's not in that bracket as far stature goes.
Mark my words and shame me when I'm wrong end of the season. Conte will beat Arteta and Ole to top 4.
I want some of what you're smoking
I wouldn't throw stones in that glass house of a username.
In what way is he comfortably ahead though? Tuchel has won the Champions League amongst other trophies. You can’t be comfortably ahead of Tuchel without getting your hands on one, not for me anyway.
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Organisation of the squad you already have will make a huge difference and thats before you make a signing. This has all the markings of what happened at Chelsea when Tuchel came. Obviously not him winning the CL but im expecting Spurs to break in to the top 4, win a domestic cup and win the Europa Conference.
So he's been promised a £150m transfer kitty according to reports. Does Levy still think he'll get that much for Kane, or what has he tricked Conte into accepting?
Certainly wouldn't say no.
Sure, that makes no sense. Its one cup ffs. Di Matteo 》Simeone then?
Tuchel is an excellent manger but he doesn't have many other relevant trophies other than the CL. Maybe the Pl this year we'll see. Conte has built something special at Juve, beaten Klopp and Pep to the Pl and then won Inters first league after aeons. All brilliant achievements over many years.
Probably the latter, Levy will give him 50-60m in Jan hoping that he can get top 4 from that and revitalise Kane, which will give him the summer kitty. If Spurs doesn’t get CL and Kane continues to be crap and staying put them Conte will probably walk himself out.
No point in tricking him on a 18month contract really, Conte holds all the cards, he is doing us a favour not the other way round.
They'll be competing with Newcastle's billions in January for players.
The Champions League is more than just a cup, don’t be so ridiculous. His record in the Champions League is massively better than Conte’s he got to the final with PSG and won it with Chelsea, whilst Conte went out in the group stage with Inter. He’s won league titles, but so has Tuchel, Who has been able to have international and domestic success, something Conte has failed to replicate.Sure, that makes no sense. Its one cup ffs. Di Matteo 》Simeone then?
Tuchel is an excellent manger but he doesn't have many other relevant trophies other than the CL. Maybe the Pl this year we'll see. Conte has built something special at Juve, beaten Klopp and Pep to the Pl and then won Inters first league after aeons. All brilliant achievements over many years.