Rooney24
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It’s already tarnished. He’s the manager that oversaw a 0-5 against Liverpool. That’s it
Yep, Maradona is a God to Argentinians, nothing like Ole to Manchester United.Comparing the two is ridiculous.
Maradona is one of the best player ever and won by himself two world cups to his country.
Ole was a benchwarmer who scored coming from the bench…There was at least 5 players from that team that I consider more as legends then him : Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville, Stam, Schmeichel.
Any pay off will be paid by the club not the Glazers. The Glazer havent put in any thing since they took over all monies out have come from the club.I'm not sad about that. I think the saddest thing is that there is no obvious way out of this. The club is a mess. A whole lot of them need to go including Carrick etc. And Fletcher is technical director?! We are supposed to be an elite club, where are his credentials. No, the saddest thing is how we have fallen under Glazer ownership and how deep the hole we are in is.
Ole's status is the least of our worries right now. He has a legacy as a super sub and that's great - wonderful memories. But right now he is dramatically out of his depth. And he knows it. This should be a "mutual consent" kind of departure ASAP.
Maybe he is hanging in for the pay off. And why not I guess, it's the glazers money but he needs gone and I'm not bothered about his legacy, only the future of the club.
This is the sad thing. I love Ole the player - his legacy was always more nostalgic and 'happy' (he was pretty universally adored) because he was never a legend in the vein of Giggs, Scholes, Cantona i.e. world class, key players in winning teams - but there's already people pointing out he shouldn't be considered a legend anymore and a lot of personal insults like Smeagol creeping in which are just revolting.I'd say he's tarnishing his legacy across all generations, not just one
?Comparing the two is ridiculous.
Maradona is one of the best player ever and won by himself two world cups to his country.
Ole was a benchwarmer who scored coming from the bench…There was at least 5 players from that team that I consider more as legends then him : Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville, Stam, Schmeichel.
Lampard stayed for 18 months, got top 4 without spending any money, and promoted a bunch of youngsters who helped the team win the CL a few months later after his sacking. Pirlo isn't a Juve legend and only stayed for one season anyway when the club had no money.I really don't think so. A decent manager who raised spirits and ultimately wasn't good enough. A fine player for the club. Do you think Pirlo tarnished his legacy at Juventus or Lampard at Chelsea? Most people don't care about these things after 5 years. This is in the heat of the moment and it's a moment for objectivity.
This.I'd say he's tarnishing his legacy across all generations, not just one
In fairness, the reason Sourness is despised by a lot of their fans has nothing to do with his spell managing them!Is that Ole is going to be remembered by a generation of fans, maybe more, as the poster boy for ineptitude when he should be remembered as an absolute legend of a player for the club.
I spoke about this with a Liverpool supporting mate and he said that's how Graeme Souness is seen by most fans. If Ole was to leave in the coming weeks is his legacy ruined?
Apologies for starting another thread, I just thought it might be worth a separate discussion about at which point do club legends run out of currency in terms of good will with supporters.
Yes, that’s why I said at least. Don’t know how I forgot about Keane !!!Yep, Maradona is a God to Argentinians, nothing like Ole to Manchester United.
I would add Keane, Irwin, and Cole too as more important players and bigger legends than him from the same team.
Lampard wasn't sacked until January after Chelsea spent £210m and were heading for mid-table. But the idea of it ruining his player legacy would be rightly nonsense and he was worse than Ole.Lampard stayed for 18 months, got top 4 without spending any money, and promoted a bunch of youngsters who helped the team win the CL a few months later after his sacking. Pirlo isn't a Juve legend and only stayed for one season anyway when the club had no money.
On Redissue, the anti-Semitism is glaringly obvious. That's what I see here, when I see this insistence to refer to the Glazers as subhuman. I'm flagging this.The saddest thing about our current situation is the fact that there are no massive organised demonstrations to get the Glazers out. You can't have a club run by cash monkeys whose expectations are just to finish top 4 and then seriously wonder why all we do is finish top 4 and are not winning stuff.
But remember that vitriol is towards the manager Ole nor the player. You just need to distinguish that when you're reading itUsually I'd agree but when I read all the vitriol towards Solskjaer on here the last few months. I'm honestly not so sure anymore.
Didn’t Pirlo win a cup? He’s also more of an AC legend so not sure he’s relevant here. Lampard had the transfer ban and is also a much bigger name for Chelsea in terms of being right up there on the legends list. It would be like Keane or Robson for us. Lampard was also sacked as soon as they lost faith so his time is viewed favourably, basically helped them through a tough patch, brought through some youngsters and they played entertaining but increasingly leaky football. Ole is well past that point.I really don't think so. A decent manager who raised spirits and ultimately wasn't good enough. A fine player for the club. Do you think Pirlo tarnished his legacy at Juventus or Lampard at Chelsea? Most people don't care about these things after 5 years. This is in the heat of the moment and it's a moment for objectivity.
Is that the greatest moment? I dunno, I think the 68 final ranks higher personally, seeing what had happened to the club 10 years earlier.I don't think the Souness comparison holds up to be honest. Because while he was a brilliant footballer (much better than Ole was for example) in a quite brilliant team, he hasn't got his name all over the greatest moment in his clubs history. Nobody will ever take that away from Ole, it is impossible to talk about the greatest single moment in our history without mentioning him.
He knows himself he is on borrowed time. Actually stolen time. I don’t hate him. You can’t hate someone for trying his best, loving United but is ultimately too under qualified for the job. The blame really goes to the board. They should have amputated this stinking festering stump of a situation even before the 5-0 drubbing by Liverpool.I’m not worried for his status at United. He stepped in when United needed him. He did a descent job until September and stays as long as the club need him or want him to stay.
His heart is at United and I don’t think he cares much about himself and his own manager future I don’t think he wants to be a manager for another club anyway.
Why should he leave if the club doesn’t have any alternative? He does what is best for the club (loyalty) and he off course leave without drama when the club is ready to replace him.
But isn't that not really Ole's fault if they don't sack him? I think Ole has kept his integrity and didn't slag off the club's football heritage or make it all about him like when Mourinho was sacked.Didn’t Pirlo win a cup? He’s also more of an AC legend so not sure he’s relevant here. Lampard had the transfer ban and is also a much bigger name for Chelsea in terms of being right up there on the legends list. It would be like Keane or Robson for us. Lampard was also sacked as soon as they lost faith so his time is viewed favourably, basically helped them through a tough patch, brought through some youngsters and they played entertaining but increasingly leaky football. Ole is well past that point.
Ole is a legend but not because he was the best, it’s more for his loyalty combined with 99. It’s a shame people are revising his legacy but it will continue until he leaves.
I agree with you. He’s a legend to me always.I used to wear this T-Shirt to all the time
His legend as a player defies convention, it's not about talent or stats. I want him to leave but he will always be a United legend.
On the bright side, Ole will always be remembered as the person who was able to persuade United, Liverpool and City fans to chant his song. At this point he's bigger then Manchester United.
In retrospect, he wasn't that good to begin with.Was he THAT bad the past 2 seasons?
I understand that reflection is not something you do when youre angry, but really, nothing good happened the last 2 seasons prior to this one?