Woodward is absolutely desperate for Ole to succeed, he knows it's his only remaining chance at redeeming his disastrous tenure at the club.
Ed Woodward has resigned from Manchester United | 2024: Returns to football
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Yeah but CEO of AJAX is a million miles from CEO of United.
Totally different roles regardless of same letters.
That's the point, VDS could never be CEO of United. DOF yes.
I know it's been a while since he announced resignation, but good fecking riddance.
I'm actually starting to feel sorry for the way we sacked Moyes and LVG after the dross we're being put through with Ole.
I'm actually starting to feel sorry for the way we sacked Moyes and LVG after the dross we're being put through with Ole.
How is it different? Obviously United moves more money around than Ajax, so it arguably is a bigger job, but how is it "totally different"? Keep in mind he started his career in Ajax' board as their director of marketing, not in any position related to the actual football team.
Woodward has repeatedly said that footballing decisions are taken after consulting with people like SAF and others (probably Fletcher too now).
I will only blame this guy for not overriding SAF or others at the club. You need a Hardman to make that call now and the time is now. Just do it.
I will only blame this guy for not overriding SAF or others at the club. You need a Hardman to make that call now and the time is now. Just do it.
It is a totally different job. The organisations are totally different. The mentality is totally different.
Ajax and Man Utd are two alien entities on this front.
VDS for sure would have a vital role with us, but it wouldn't be the CEO position of United.
You keep saying that, but HOW is it different in a way that prevents VDS from succeeding? I see the point regarding the organisation, but I understood that bringing VDS in should bring United closer to the Ajax way, so actually changing the organisation at least partially in a way like he knows it.
Regarding the mentality you are absolutely right. Working at United is the easiest job you can get, no standards, no expectations, no pressure. Working at Ajax is arguably harder than in Disneyland United, as at Ajax you are expected to win stuff.
You say that but i think he knows how damaging it would be to keep him and fail every metric set at the start of the season.
You wouldn't look silly if you actually looked up VDS’s role before posting
It’s not different it’s just a different scale
managing 100 people is little difference to managing 10. You still do the same things, you might just build a good support team
also VDS was also a graduate of marketing and did that role first at Ajax so he knows his way around
Well, no point in us continuing to disagree.
Point is, he will not be Ed's replacement.
Moyes and LVG produced worse football from better foundations. The best football we've played since SAF has been under Ole, although it's still been far short of our old standards.
Don't get me wrong, they deserved to be sacked as well.
But considering how badly the board's screwing up with Ole and how he's being given undeserved chance after chance, makes their prior decisions callous by comparison.
This is erroneous and logically inconsistent, to be fair. van der Sar has a master’s degree in Sports Brand Management, joined Ajax's board room as a Commercial Director and progressed to the Chief Executive position (replacing Dolf Collee), not someone who is/was directly involved in the day-to-day footballing operations/policies (that has primarily been the domain of Marc Overmars).
His remit for the past decade has been quite removed from a prospective Director of Football who is hands on with the sporting sector — what you're essentially suggesting is for someone like Soriano to do the job of Begiristain or Mintzlaff to do the job of Rangnick or Watzke to do the job of Zorc (which sounds rather convoluted). The principal difference between the Chief Executive of Ajax and the Chief Executive of United is magnitude, not the ‟role” as such — and regarding that, while Ajax is a smaller club than United in terms of financial imprint — it is still one of the true pillars of continental football and is associated with a fair bit of pressure, so he has received pretty good on-the-job training and could feasibly adjust to the demands of the Chief Executive position at a bigger club.
No,
You're missing the key point.
Ajax are a football club first and foremost and have a heritage of proving they care about that.
United are a Glazer ATM machine and they appoint the person who historically works for them and know's what is best for them.
This is why VDS could never be CEO of Man Utd and why they are completely different entities.
It is totally logical.
He gave Phil Jones a new contract. He's Oprah. You get a contract, you get a contract, everybody gets a contract.
The CEO is responsible for the overall performance of a company (making money). It does not really change his job where he has to send that money to. Ajax can reinvest everything they earn, United have to pay some dividends to the Glazers - so what? Does change nothing about the job of a CEO in general.
The only valid point I can accept is that the Glazers might only appoint a known yes-man they trust from working with before, not someone from the outside.
If only Woodward realised he'd go out on a high signing Rangnick up as interim manger, long-term DOF.
I hope he and the club are so tone-deaf that they bring him out on the pitch for a grand farewell when he finally fecks off.
I might be wrong about this, but didn't Gill come on the pitch all the time when he was in charge? Don't think Woody has been in front of the OT fans once...
I might be wrong about this, but didn't Gill come on the pitch all the time when he was in charge? Don't think Woody has been in front of the OT fans once...
Just get the entire trio - Overmars, VDS, Ten Hag, all of 'em. I fail to see why VDS would do a worse job than Woodie.
He's got United DNA after all!
Very different circumstances, Gill had the fans respect, Woodward is one of the most disliked people in United History no way they are bringing him on the pitch.
This, could it be that the Glazers master plan is to stick with Ole, McKenna, Carrick and Phelan Murtough etc because they want to get these guys in at the end of the season?…..hahahaha, sorry don’t answer that, it sounds ridiculous.
He’ll get more than a wet Willy if they did that.
At least when he's gone we're replacing him with his understudy and best mate, should be a marked difference in their approaches.
Yeah, thats the point i'm (poorly) making - Woody has been here for nearly 10 years and hasn't been able to come on the pitch once due to how absurdly shit he is at his job.
I think there's actually something in the stories that Woodward doesn't want his last big decision before he leaves to be sacking Solskjaer.
I don’t know why. It’d actually be one of the only positive things he’s done for the club.
I think it would be hard to top what Woodward has done in terms of expanding the commercial side of the club, so in that respect VDS could very easily do a worse job and that may impact our transfer budget.
In terms of managing the football side of the business, I think you could pretty much hire any bank manager in the country give him a budget and transfermarkt.co.uk/ and they would have done as well as Woodward in terms squad building and managerial appointments its been that level of amateurish since he took over.
Clearly what we have needed since the moment Fergie and Gill left is some one to manage the commercial side of the club and someone to manage the football side of things. VDS would be a great choice to manage the football side of things.
One can dream. 3 competent personnel to come in to solve our football structure for long term.
1) VDS to replace the incompetent Ed/Arnold. VDS is actual football people with economic background to handle commercial side of things.
2) Overmars to replace Murtough. Overmars has proven himself at Ajax's structure with both youth and first team, signing quality players, player development and appointment of managers.
3) Ten Hag to replace the Molde Manager. Ten Hag has proven style of play, play attacking football, proven in Europe with Ajax, believe in youth, improve players and etc.
1) VDS to replace the incompetent Ed/Arnold. VDS is actual football people with economic background to handle commercial side of things.
2) Overmars to replace Murtough. Overmars has proven himself at Ajax's structure with both youth and first team, signing quality players, player development and appointment of managers.
3) Ten Hag to replace the Molde Manager. Ten Hag has proven style of play, play attacking football, proven in Europe with Ajax, believe in youth, improve players and etc.
Should have two top roles both reporting to ownership independently of one another - CEO for the business/commercial side and say a COO for the football/personnel side, with a DOF directly below the COO. Problem likely being the Glazers want one yes man to do all their work and monitoring. Thus, they could have a CEO hold this role simply as the top liaison and assign a CBO and COO for the other two spots. It's a proper feck thanks to greedy shitwads owning draining the club.
Not again with this nonsense. Woodie has absolutely done the bare minimum on the commercial side. From commercially the richest club in the world, we're down to 4th or 5th position now. You can put a donkey in the CEO position and the club would rake in commercials all over. That's not down to the "genius" of Woodward, it's more down to the fact that the club is absolutely massive way before Glazers even inherited it. Perez is someone who you can say has done wonders on the commercial side for Madrid, we haven't had nothing - not in the commercial side, nor in the football side. I remember as a kid - Man United were everywhere. Beckham was an absolute icon. Probably the most famous person in the world or at least in the top 5. United as a club was like the pinnacle of football. What do we have now? Nothing. We're an absolute joke everywhere, considered as such by everyone.
So no, Woodie has done nothing on the commercial side. He's failed miserably absolutely everywhere. You can put me as a CEO and the club will still get record breaking deals. The ability to coast on past success. That's called football 'eritage.
Because he just have an extension to the guy and now he'd be firing him. It would show that he has absolutely no clue what hes doing. So, he's trying to ride it out and hoping desperately he doesn't have to fire him. But I think we've gone past that stage now. The fans are properly pissed and players like Ronaldo are strong enough to asm for him to be fired.
Unless you know what he is doing at Ajax on a day to day, Id say you don't know that. He is not anything like a DOF either so that also makes zero sense
No he wasn't, it was always 2022.He was supposed to be gone in the summer but he's still here. Dignity.
VDS’ degree is in marketing, and he was Ajax’s Marketing Director prior to moving up to CEO.
Ed is just a bean counter with corporate finance experience (just like me
).So actually Edwin might be able to do a better job of the commercial stuff.
Whilst I was wrong about it being the summer, it was "end of 2021", not 2022.
I disagree, yes United was massive he took over, but year on year he has expanded the portfolio of commercial clients despite the lack of success on the pitch. It would have been very easy for commercial revenue to drop with the lack of success, it hasn't taken the impact it could off. Everyone has taken the mick out of United for constantly announcing random things like noodle partners every other week, but that strategy of going crazy with the sponsorship deals and trying to find every penny you can in that area is something I think we as a club has done better than any club in the world in the last decade. Personally, I think you have to give a huge chunk of that down to Woodward.
Of course, we will never know how much was Woodward, how much would have happened anyway. Personally think he has had a lot to do with that side of things and the Glazers have seen that and that's why he hasn't been fired for the appaling running of the football side of things. But of course, we can't prove it one way or another. For me, my opinion of Woodward is I think he is likely a great businessman, who doesn't know the first thing about overseeing the football side of a club and has never wanted to admit it and relinquish power in order to get help in that department.
I also think Perez was great at creating headlines, but he nearly bankrupt Madrid a few times so he is hardly the yardstick. Also didn't he sell Makélélé to finance the Beckham deal? Which has widely been criticized as one of the stupid sales in football history, so swings and roundabouts.