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Ed Woodward has resigned from Manchester United | 2024: Returns to football

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Ha. Fair enough. Ole has been, on the whole, pretty terrible. If you look at the money spent and how expectations have been lowered embarrassingly. But it's on Woodward and his cohorts spending too much on players, both in fees and wages. All of that could have been avoided at any stage post SAF by entrusting a DoF to oversee footballing matters.

I am just hoping for the popularisation of the narrative that United are a directionless club that desperately needs to entrust footballing people (with pedigree) for footballing matters. Including the next managerial hire.
The huge issue is for me nepotism at the club - appointing figures that are related to United rather on their professional acumen and actual qualities for the job. It's from top to bottom - Woodward to begin with - a yes man, Ole, coaching stuff, technical directors and all.

It's basically an outdated structure that needs a deep cleansing. We need fresh approach and even appoint some continental figures to bring us new direction and instill some kind of structure and philosophy. Otherwise we just change personnel doing nothing.

That and giving no time for mediocre figures to waste the time like Ole and Woodward. As soon as its clear they are not up for the job they should be axed on the spot. For Woodward that time was in Moyes first season at the job and for Ole basically after he was appointed as perm.
 

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Yeah, I've seen it. Bizarre.

But my question was to the substance of the tweet. So Woodward is leaving soon, and he doesn't want his last act to be sacking Ole. So far, fair enough. The manager's position is of too much importance to be a lame duck executive decision.

But then that's where I'm lost.

As far as I know, the new, incoming sporting executive is not an unknown, or outsider, is he? It's Arnold, no? Woodward's current right hand man? So why wouldn't they be able to coordinate between them?
Because they are clown and Glazer's puppet. They don't think the current situation will damage their pocket so they will stay in safe zone as long as Glazer doesn't push them to take action.
 

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Yeah, I've seen it. Bizarre.

But my question was to the substance of the tweet. So Woodward is leaving soon, and he doesn't want his last act to be sacking Ole. So far, fair enough. The manager's position is of too much importance to be a lame duck executive decision.

But then that's where I'm lost.

As far as I know, the new, incoming sporting executive is not an unknown, or outsider, is he? It's Arnold, no? Woodward's current right hand man? So why wouldn't they be able to coordinate between them?
Yeah, he's presenting it as if there's nothing that can be done. Which is obviously in bad faith. Woodward though is Chief Executive Chairman, if I recall, so not necessarily a sporting executive, as you put it. And since Ole was hired we've appointed a Football Director, in Murtough, so it's a test to see whether a Football Director is more than a frivolous advisory role PR exercise.

That one tweet yesterday saying Rangnick was interested will hopefully put more focus on the DoF issue, which is the #2 issue at the club IMV (after the ownership of course).

The huge issue is for me nepotism at the club - appointing figures that are related to United rather on their professional acumen and actual qualities for the job. It's from top to bottom - Woodward to begin with - a yes man, Ole, coaching stuff, technical directors and all.

It's basically an outdated structure that needs a deep cleansing. We need fresh approach and even appoint some continental figures to bring us new direction and instill some kind of structure and philosophy. Otherwise we just change personnel doing nothing.

That and giving no time for mediocre figures to waste the time like Ole and Woodward. As soon as its clear they are not up for the job they should be axed on the spot. For Woodward that time was in Moyes first season at the job and for Ole basically after he was appointed as perm.
Of course you'll have old boys wanting to sort out old boys, the issue though goes higher, as having those old boys is a nice shield from the real issue which is the ownership and the absolutely diabolical way they run the club. If any other non-United manager had presided over the exact same results, performances, recruitment, and rhetoric as Ole, the fans would have wanted him out way sooner. He's a very convenient appointment and that United DNA narrative has lasted for an amazing amount of time given the horrible football we've played mostly under Ole. Take Bruno out of the equation and this would have been non-stop diabolical football and results.

The hope is now that the next appointment has such independence and pedigree that the board is no longer unexposed.
 

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But is it still not known who will succeed him? I've read it's likely to be Arnold, is that just media speculation?

Bit weird that such a massive personnel matter would be in the dark?
 

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Yeah, I've seen it. Bizarre.

But my question was to the substance of the tweet. So Woodward is leaving soon, and he doesn't want his last act to be sacking Ole. So far, fair enough. The manager's position is of too much importance to be a lame duck executive decision.

But then that's where I'm lost.

As far as I know, the new, incoming sporting executive is not an unknown, or outsider, is he? It's Arnold, no? Woodward's current right hand man? So why wouldn't they be able to coordinate between them?
It's idiotic and I won't believe for a second this is the reason we are so hesitant to give him the sack.

It comes down to two reasons. Either this club really believes Ole is the man to turn this around and bring us trophies. God help us if that is the case.

Or they really struggle to find someone else to step in. Which begs the question why we waited until Spus got Conte and why we aren't looking for a pure interim solution until we get things sorted in the summer. Peole are (again) putting their nose up on someone like Rangnick but if he was available I see no reason why we wouldn't try him as an interim solution. Yes he's mostly acted as a DoF the last years but he's an advocate of modern, progressive football that a manager like Ten Haag could work with if we snap him up in the summer. He could do some important ground work here until we find a long term solution and who knows maybe we'd keep him as a DoF.

But no. It seems we are completely out of ideas and hope things will get better by themselves.
 

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The loss of David Gill signalled the start of a indifferent period for United. OK, we won the FA Cup and Europa League and a Charity Shield I’d you count that, but those are slim pickings for a club of United‘s stature. Contracts have been allowed to expire, players have held the club to ransom over wages, we have sanctioned the likes of Sanchez and Falcao draining the club of money for little return. Signed Pogba after the media frenzy that we should sign him. We now need a professional football orientated CEO that does put the owners first. That won’t happen I suspect. I don’t see Edwin as that man just yet. I can’t offer any suggestions other than Simon Jordan or Purslow at Villa.
 

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Imagine being able to be rich enough to hire a whole PR team but still make your reputation worse. That's how pathetic and bad he is with anything to do with football
 

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This absolute snivelling cnut of a man is still managing to wreck the club even after handing in his resignation I see.

Imagine having so much self-importance that you think you need to hang around for 8 months after you resign to hand things over... Because you're so fecking amazing that the club couldn't bare to move on without you instantly.

Nobody in the history of our club has done more damage to the club then this baffoon... No one.
 

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This absolute snivelling cnut of a man is still managing to wreck the club even after handing in his resignation I see.

Imagine having so much self-importance that you think you need to hang around for 8 months after you resign to hand things over... Because you're so fecking amazing that the club couldn't bare to move on without you instantly.

Nobody in the history of our club has done more damage to the club then this baffoon... No one.
Will likely go down as one of the worst figures in club history. I know it's harsh to judge based on Woodward, but I suspect his mate, Arnold, will be the exact same if he gets the job.

He's took one of the greatest clubs in football history, appointed shite manager after shite manager, greenlit spending for nearly a billion and has 3 minor trophies to show for it. One of the worst football CEOs in living memory, although I'm sure the Glazer's love him due to the commercial side of the game which has earned them a pretty penny.
 

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At the end of the day Ed showed more dignity resigning than Solsjkaer, who is clinging to his job for his dear life.
Did he feck. I don't count saying "I'm leaving (in a year)" as resigning. More like "I'll be spending the next 12 months looking for a new job during my working hours while the place goes to shit."
 

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I don't agree with everything you say but I generally consider you reasonable. I am surprised you think there's even a glimmer of a chance we hire someone who knows football.

We are first and foremost a corporate entity making money. No way a football man will be allowed in at the top.
 

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I don't agree with everything you say but I generally consider you reasonable. I am surprised you think there's even a glimmer of a chance we hire someone who knows football.

We are first and foremost a corporate entity making money. No way a football man will be allowed in at the top.
Surely a successful football team attract better financial returns?

A football man can be in charge of footballing affairs and the money man can be the marketing and financial authority.
 

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I don't agree with everything you say but I generally consider you reasonable. I am surprised you think there's even a glimmer of a chance we hire someone who knows football.

We are first and foremost a corporate entity making money. No way a football man will be allowed in at the top.
I don’t see why the 2 can’t be separated. The football side and the financial side.
A good football team would surely attract more investment and sponsors

but you’re right probably too logical
 

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A man who sacked a manager 20 minutes after he’d lifted the FA cup is reportedly concerned about the impact sacking a manager who’s helped get us in some relegation form would have on the club.

He’s an absolute clown :houllier::lol:
 

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But is it still not known who will succeed him? I've read it's likely to be Arnold, is that just media speculation?

Bit weird that such a massive personnel matter would be in the dark?
Arnold is expected to replace him as chief executive. Reports seem to suggest that he won't be taking the executive vice-chairman title though.
 

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If I were Ed, I'd sack Ole tonight and leave the club on a high. I don't know if he has enough say in the United board to make such important decisions just weeks before his tenure ends.

He'd otherwise forever be regarded by supporters as one of the worst things to happen to modern-day, post-SAF United. Not that he would care, but nonetheless.
A man who sacked a manager 20 minutes after he’d lifted the FA cup is reportedly concerned about the impact sacking a manager who’s helped get us in some relegation form would have on the club.

He’s an absolute clown :houllier::lol:
This. The media should be ALL OVER this specific angle. It’s fecking laughable.
 

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Surely a successful football team attract better financial returns?

A football man can be in charge of footballing affairs and the money man can be the marketing and financial authority.
I don’t see why the 2 can’t be separated. The football side and the financial side.
A good football team would surely attract more investment and sponsors

but you’re right probably too logical

I fully agree with everything here but like a lot of other corporates, decisions are not made based on logic.

The main conclusion from the recent events is that it's a highly political, you scratch my back, I'll scratch your back work place.

Having said all that, the silver lining from the recent shambles is that it might force change at a time when we're actually making changes. There was talk about Arnold not being in charge of football matters, so there might be a small window of opportunity to get things right once and for all.
 

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A man who sacked a manager 20 minutes after he’d lifted the FA cup is reportedly concerned about the impact sacking a manager who’s helped get us in some relegation form would have on the club.

He’s an absolute clown :houllier::lol:
Yup but at least then he had actual option in hand ready to take the job. This time sacking Ole will force him to start actually start doing something in order to hire replacement and this is when problems begin.
 

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I fully agree with everything here but like a lot of other corporates, decisions are not made based on logic.

The main conclusion from the recent events is that it's a highly political, you scratch my back, I'll scratch your back work place.

Having said all that, the silver lining from the recent shambles is that it might force change at a time when we're actually making changes. There was talk about Arnold not being in charge of football matters, so there might be a small window of opportunity to get things right once and for all.
Yeah it was said in the Athletic article that he's expected to leave most of the footballing matters to the football side. Murtough and Fletcher haven't even got going yet as directors because Woodward is still front and centre of everything. That's likely changing once Arnold steps in.
 

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I hope the press start narrowing in on the owners with the adequate ridicule.
Don’t think it will be news to Ed that many will blame him for appointing and persevering with an unqualified manager. Appointing the most anti United manager in Mou as well.
 

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Arnold is expected to replace him as chief executive. Reports seem to suggest that he won't be taking the executive vice-chairman title though.
But the chief executive is the one running the whole of the football club on a daily basis, isn't he?

So if it's Arnold, there's no reason why the impending transition should paralyse or confuse decision-making, as Neville seems to be claiming. These two are already working together, after all, with Arnold being Woodward's right-hand man.

Or are you suggesting there will be another figure brought in who then will be Arnold's boss somehow?

Also, the club appointed a DoF and technical director this year, so all those thinking a Rangnick appointment would somehow be feasible or realistic are wrong. Because even if the club decides to change the manager and his coaching team, they're surely not going to change all other people in leading roles with him?
 

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Really wish we could force all these cnuts out of the club - Woodward, Arnold and all their merry band of Glazer accounting stooges that don't have a modicum of footballing knowledge amongst them.
 

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If he kicks this Ole can down the road then that's the cherry on a shit filled cake that he's served up here. 90% of United supporters want this, at least make one good decision before you go.

I feel like we need to turn the heat up on this fecker before he'll act.
 

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Yeah, I've seen it. Bizarre.

But my question was to the substance of the tweet. So Woodward is leaving soon, and he doesn't want his last act to be sacking Ole. So far, fair enough. The manager's position is of too much importance to be a lame duck executive decision.
how is it fair enough? :lol: Putting his reputation before the clubs downfall, its comepletely fitting of his character
 

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I hope the press start narrowing in on the owners with the adequate ridicule.
Gary Neville is full of shit. Woodward's replacement is his carbon copy, so it's not really a big event and besides both Ed and Richard Arnold just do what Glazers want. Nobody cares how Ed feels leaving, that is such childish take.
 

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I saw this thread pop up again and my heart slipped a beat, then I remembered he announced this ages ago :lol:
 

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But the chief executive is the one running the whole of the football club on a daily basis, isn't he?

So if it's Arnold, there's no reason why the impending transition should paralyse or confuse decision-making, as Neville seems to be claiming. These two are already working together, after all, with Arnold being Woodward's right-hand man.

Or are you suggesting there will be another figure brought in who then will be Arnold's boss somehow?

Also, the club appointed a DoF and technical director this year, so all those thinking a Rangnick appointment would somehow be feasible or realistic are wrong. Because even if the club decides to change the manager and his coaching team, they're surely not going to change all other people in leading roles with him?
It's a bit of a mess tbh. I get the impression that the Glazers really don't want Woodward to go. Arnold is apparently going to leave most of the footballing matters to the football side. Murtough and Fletcher will gain more power once Woodward leaves.
 

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You also have David Gill hovering in the background and apparently becoming more present around the club.
 

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how is it fair enough? :lol: Putting his reputation before the clubs downfall, its comepletely fitting of his character
It's a decision heavily impacting a future he's no longer involved in. If anything the incoming sporting CEO should be making it together with Woodward.