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Maguire has been one of his worst decisions to be fair.The guy on the left I assume.
Maguire has been one of his worst decisions to be fair.The guy on the left I assume.
Really dislike him as a manager. Love the player. Hopefully this prolonged saga ends soon.Also, as a manager, a hypocrite who sets one standards for other managers then lowers the standards when it him in the same position
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BrutalAlso, as a manager, a hypocrite who sets one standards for other managers then lowers the standards when it him in the same position
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That is absolutely terrible. Lowered the standards to match his ability. Did him no favour buying 3 good players in the summer.Also, as a manager, a hypocrite who sets one standards for other managers then lowers the standards when it him in the same position
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Massive hypocrite. Cant wait till he leaves.Also, as a manager, a hypocrite who sets one standards for other managers then lowers the standards when it him in the same position
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I would've agreed until the derby game. Even after the Liverpool shambles. There's no excuse for going into a Manchester derby with white flags being waved from kick off. There was a bigger gap between us and City before their money than there is now and City always came into derbies ready to fight.Fans who remember his time as a player will always hold him high regard. The rest not so much.
Bloody Ole Ole Ole I love you.
I'm exactly on the same boat as you. The fact that he didn't set the team up to have a right go in the second half (being two goals down is hardly game over especially playing at home in a derby) changed my mind. His cowardly approach was pure selfishness on his part to keep the scoreline as respectable as possible, fully knowing that a drubbing would've effectively had him sacked right after the final whistle.I've always said that, to me, his failure as a manager wouldn't affect his legacy, but that derby game changed my mind.
I've never seen such a cowardly display in a Manchester derby. We actually went into the game waving white flags and had no intention to win. It was "just don't get battered". Even when City were shit and we were good, I can't remember them EVER coming into a derby like that. Back then, the difference was huge, but they always fought, whereas, today, we're supposed to be competing with them for trophies so the gap obviously isn't as big as it was back when they were fighting relegations.
At least against Liverpool we went in trying to win. We just got battered by a better team. The approach to the derby was a disgrace, though.
Tbh an equally accurate description is an injury prone squad player and up there with the worst managers we've ever had.A legend but an average manager.
Next.
When he said we're not talking about winning titles and we weren't title chasers is exactly when the wheels started to come off. If you look at out form since then, it's been up and down. That was March if I remember correctly. Go and look at our form since then. I think that's when he started to lose players, and supporters.Also, as a manager, a hypocrite who sets one standards for other managers then lowers the standards when it him in the same position
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To add to this, perhaps (and hopefully) the silver lining here is that the cub stop drowning themselves in nostalgia and hoping things work just because it did with Fergie.He'll always have his achievements as a player. Nothing will ever diminish that. He was phenomenal for us even if you take out that goal.
As a manager I don't think he's anywhere near the worst we've ever had, and he's done a fantastic job getting the squad up to a much higher quality. The obvious issue is that he is not good enough to get those players working anywhere near well enough together, so thank you and good luck but it's time now.
Unfortunately I think he has an absolutely unbreakable belief in himself, which is of course a good trait to have but is now preventing him from realising he's out of his depth.
Summed up perfectly. I'll remember that he came in during an extremely low and dark period for the club and lifted the mood, spirit and atmosphere. He served his purpose for a very short period, but was found to be severely lacking even before the original intended interim period was out. Should not have stayed in the position beyond the intended interim period.
- Turned around a very toxic environment
- Okay transfer record
- Played awful football for 3 years without winning anything
- Was a terrible manager outside of his interim period
Exactly. I remember last year when we were first for a bit he instantly went on the defensive and we started dropping points. People will say but Klopp underplayed his title chances even when they were 15 points clear, the point is Liverpool had become amongst the favourites and not getting complacent was what Klopp guarding against. Whereas last year United needed the motivation, they needed to believe they could win it.When he said we're not talking about winning titles and we weren't title chasers is exactly when the wheels started to come off. If you look at out form since then, it's been up and down. That was March if I remember correctly. Go and look at our form since then. I think that's when he started to lose players, and supporters.
Great summary.He'll always have his achievements as a player. Nothing will ever diminish that. He was phenomenal for us even if you take out that goal.
As a manager I don't think he's anywhere near the worst we've ever had, and he's done a fantastic job getting the squad up to a much higher quality. The obvious issue is that he is not good enough to get those players working anywhere near well enough together, so thank you and good luck but it's time now.
Unfortunately I think he has an absolutely unbreakable belief in himself, which is of course a good trait to have but is now preventing him from realising he's out of his depth.
BrilliantAlso, as a manager, a hypocrite who sets one standards for other managers then lowers the standards when it him in the same position
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There were rumours a year or two ago that the Glazers liked transfer saga’s to go on until the last few weeks of the transfer window to save on players wages.This all just highlights how slow, ponderous and hesitant the Glazers are. We all thought Moyes was the one who dithered over transfers but it is now clear it was them. Almost every transfer we made in the last 8 years was incredibly dragged out. The director of football role took years to happen.
As soon as Ronaldo, the commercial dream, is available they get it done in a day
He's right though, no-one now is talking about winning titles.Also, as a manager, a hypocrite who sets one standards for other managers then lowers the standards when it him in the same position
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If he stays the whole season and doesn’t make top 4 the club will suffer a massive setback. Loads of players are halfway out of the club and we have to hope the board are competent for once in appointing a proper replacement to cover the big gap between us and City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Nothing funny about it to be honest.His legacy as a player remains untarnished. In a few years from now his management stint will be laughed about. In the long run it will hurt his feelings more than it will the fan's feelings.
Not funny but getting sacked for a bad season, after having a couple of decent seasons, is forgivable. He is just a crappy manager, not a crappy person or crappy player.If he stays the whole season and doesn’t make top 4 the club will suffer a massive setback. Loads of players are halfway out of the club and we have to hope the board are competent for once in appointing a proper replacement to cover the big gap between us and City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Nothing funny about it to be honest.
His decent seasons need to come with a huge asterix stating that he was basically gifted top 4 with all the injuries and overhaul the top clubs all went through and spent the most during his stint.Not funny but getting sacked for a bad season, after having a couple of decent seasons, is forgivable. He is just a crappy manager, not a crappy person or player.
Juanfield, van Gaal's 1 pre-season, smashing City 4-2, Liverpool 3-0, Rashford's sudden breakthrough, winning the FA Cup under van Gaal doesnt compare to the memories we had under Ole? Bare in mind that Ole's tenure has spread over 4 seasons now nearing a 3 year reign.I’ll remember him as the best manager post Fergie if he leaves soon. If he continues to stay I will always defend those first few seasons as they matched expectations and he has delivered some wonderful memories that I just didn’t get under the other managers. Shame he’s now fallen short and the hyperbole is out but I think he can hold his head up high and say he’s a good manager, just not good enough for the very top.
We certainly had our moment under LVG.Juanfield, van Gaal's 1 pre-season, smashing City 4-2, Liverpool 3-0, Rashford's sudden breakthrough, winning the FA Cup under van Gaal doesnt compare to the memories we had under Ole? Bare in mind that Ole's tenure has spread over 4 seasons now nearing a 3 year reign.