I believe that fighting to regain the nearly £100m that leaves our club every year because of the Glazers, IS supporting the team.
Protest at Old Trafford
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Given what City might do with the Kane transfer and the lack of any sign of financial commitment from the Americans, the protests shouldn't be wound down. To accept the status quo is to accept the silver medal as an actual achievement.
I am not sure what the expectation of the protestors is? The Glazers selling the club (who to and will they be any better) or a fans voice on the board and more investment in the team and infrastrucutre.
Glazer's sell club. Fans get 51% share.
Other 49% belong to Conor McGregor, Pitbull, Elon Musk, David Beckham, Gary Neville, Norwegian Oil Fund, Alex Ferguson, Gianni Atenkemopo.
Yes, its a comforting thought that cancelling your subscription won't effect anything... really?
Something like 50% of all EPL sales around the world are about United's games, the only time in all its existence the PL TV sales dropped were the season United finished seventh under Moyes.
Ever ask yourself why such as the Glazers even considered buying into Football clubs, instead of their normal property developments? Its all about TV rights, its why Netflix, Amazon and Disney+ etc are all queuing up to get in on the act, its why they want a super league! Sponsors flock to the big name clubs because with them they have WW TV exposure.
The PL was set up, not to improve football, but to make money and its has been exceptionally successful that is why clubs fight 'tooth and nail' to stay in it, why the top clubs now want to 'pull up the drawbridge' and go down the road of a SL or enhanced PL model i.e. no downside because no relegation. This is not rocket science.
Unless the law changes on ownership, or there is a mass cancellation of TV football live broadcasts contracts, then the Glazers and their ilk will continue to inhabit Professional football, search for more 'cash cows' and all the protests in the streets, outside grounds, etc. will be worthless and hit only the participants, not the owners.
Keep your TV contracts my friend and keep the Glazers smiling... benignly of course!
Stop being a houlier than thou attitude. It's annoying really.
People are showing you the problem in real life, yet instead of addressing in a debate you go on about being sanctimonious in keeping subscription.
50percent is about united? So why dont you UK fans start boycotting? Let's see those 50 percent drop in sky subs then you can mock us foreign fans
And watch United, like all the non-UK fans do, on streams that can stop for a second here and there?
Too much of an ask mate.
Sorry if I am sounding sanctimonious, not intending to be so, but whether you like it or not it is the TV contracts with SKY/BT and others WW that keep such as the Glazers involved in football, and its not just fans abroad, its here in the UK. Fans have (forcibly if you like) had to 'boycott' the games this year, in 'real life', but not on TV; the 'show must go on' and all games have been shown on TV even with, heaven for bid, 'empty' stadiums on show and on TV and around the world, either way the sponsor's have still had their brands displayed to a WW audience.
You will have noticed how pundits and others have continually bemoaned the absence of fans, the atmosphere in the grounds etc. however the PL has still been completed, well almost, the FA Cup competition and in a week or so the UEFA competitions, all with the absence of real fans, but not TV cameras!
I see danger here! An old boss of mine use to tell people who (regularly) had time off work, " don't be away too long, we might find we can do with out you". Is there a danger here of that happening? "No, no, of course not fans are everything" we hear people cry.... but real live fans or fans watching on telly, having their beer and food delivered at half-time, sitting in the warmth and comfort, no fighting to get to the toilets, 'pause' buttons so they don't miss the action...etc, etc.
I can hear people now shouting 'he's an idiot' it will never happen... I hope you are right and I am entering my dotage!
Yes, the ultimate goal of the greedy Glazers is to get a closed franchise league like the American pro sports. Then they can having losing seasons while not fearing relegation and still make tons of money because the TV contract is split between the 20 teams.
This is what alot of American owners do. Maybe once every 15 years they will throw a carrot to the fans and actually field a championship team but then they can have 14 years of losing or mediocrity and make money hand over fist because it's a closed guild. It becomes a non competitive communist system among the elite.
Then once the fans are onto this game and complain, the American owner will demand that the city and fans pay for a new stadium and give them tax breaks or threaten to move the team to another city. This is exactly what Stan Kroenke did to his own home state when he moved his Saint Louis Rams to Los Angels about 3 years ago. Now St. Louis has no team, and the fans are angry but Kroneke could care less because the team is miles away.
Gawd help us
So what's happening with the protests today?
I think MUST have asked everyone to twirl a scarf in the ground.
Expect the Glazers to sell up by 10pm.
*Disclaimer, I know MUST can't really call for anything else.
Green and Gold I hope...
I wonder how they're going to filter match going and none match going people around the stadium.
You can pick up green and gold ones from the MUST office from 3.30pm today I believe.
What liberties do peaceful protests infringe on?
Strange opinion, because quite the opposite is true.
Totally agree.
Unbelievably, that sounds worse than the Glazers.
Blocking buses, blocking highways, attempting to get games postponed. That isn’t a strange opinion it’s a fact.
The fans have 51% control so I don't see how that's worse than the Glazers. It's no different than Lebron owning 4% of of Liverpool through FSG but better since you still have fan control.
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So there was no protest at OT yesterday?
Nope. How depressing
That yesterday was like a dream for the Glazers. Nothing outside the ground and a few people with signs inside the ground shouting from a safe distance.
This will all be forgotten about in 6 weeks unless the transfer market starts to go badly.
There should have been calls for a boycott yesterday but all the high profile groups were to scared of supposed division.
Aside from the protest against Liverpool, we have become far too passive in recent years. No wonder why they probably thought they could get away with the Super League idea.
Some people don't like it
It's been proven time and time again that boycotts will not achieve anything apart from split the fanbase, and that actually is the ideal scenario for the Glazers
And there was more than 'a few people with signs' - peaceful protest is the best way forward
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/glazers-out-man-utd-fans-old-trafford-protest-b935892.html
We tried protests in the ground in 2010 and they failed.
I'm not calling for violent protests, I'm not even necessarily calling for a boycott of season tickets next season.
A boycott of 1 (one) game where we had nothing to play for at a stupid kick off time was ideal. More of an impact than banners and scarves inside the ground.
Going forward, the famous season ticket waiting list is non existent and pre Covid, most games were on general sale with many empty seats.
Being scared of division is daft. It just means nobody does anything and any momentum we gained against the Glazers disappears.
First off, the protests have not been peaceful and thus turned public opinion against United. Secondly, the Glazers don’t give a monkeys about protests as long as the revenue stream isn’t disrupted. Third, if anyone cancels their season ticket, there are thousands waiting to take it. The point has been made in the media and to the Glazers. Stop the mass protests outside the ground and continue inside with the green and gold. If anyone thinks the Glazers are going to gift 50% +1 to the fans, they are deluded. The club isn’t for sale and if it was, nobody would buy it if they thought any decision they made would be met with violent protests. I dislike the Glazers as much as anyone, but if you look at it from their side what would you do? Stay in Florida, rake in the money and ignore the protests. The only people affected by the protests are the players and it’s showing on the pitch. They are being asked to choose between their employer or the fans or Gary Neville.
Its only people whining about protests who mention club being given away and other nonsense scenarios that no one actually is expecting or asking for.
The Glazers have had years of taking the piss and probably can’t believe their luck, not competed for 8 years and had more opposition to their ownership when we were winning.
Most likely outcome is club will spend some money in short term to try and appease people so all those complaining and still hung up on violence when majority of fans are peaceful will get what they want, a new signing.
Anyone can buy share in the market and if accumulate > 51%, the club is yours. Be my guest.
Its not about being scared of division - the point is that a mass boycott will simply never happen as our fanbase is too big (even with just 10k tickets, nevermind 70k) so its pointless to even go down that route as it just ends up with infighting. I saw posts yesterday from United fans insulting those who went to the game which is idiotic and ultimately counterproductive.
Also its not true that most games had empty seats - Old Trafford is still a sell out for pretty much every single league game
As for impact - huge awareness has already been acheived with the large protests at both Scouse matches, front page news on a global level. As a result, The government are now conducting a review of football governance and for the first time in years Joel Glazer has officially communicated with the fans. of course its all just talk so far and there is still a long way to go until we see real change but this is already a step in the right direction and there was still plenty of media coverage of the protests inside the ground yesterday
Well done yesterday. In the US, NBCSN showed all the GO placards and green and yellow supports and Glazer's Out banners on TV. ESPN also mentioned the anti Glazer movement at the game. This is all very embarrassing to the Glazers and helps damage the Glazer brand.
Just got this email from the Government. The wheels are moving.
Roll on to 14 June.
It won’t happen. Without meaning to get political but people who think a Tory govt will impose restrictions on private business or legislate for 50+1 will be better off spending their time trying to get out of all the time shares their level of gullibility suggests they have
Just got an email from the 'The Petitions team, UK Government and Parliament'.
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Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Enforce the “50+1” Rule for professional football club ownership in the UK”.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/583310
The debate is scheduled for 14 June 2021.
Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.
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Just to note this was the original petition and not the one Neville, Carragher, fans channels etc... have done.
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Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Enforce the “50+1” Rule for professional football club ownership in the UK”.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/583310
The debate is scheduled for 14 June 2021.
Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.
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Just to note this was the original petition and not the one Neville, Carragher, fans channels etc... have done.
This is good news, it represents some sort of breakthrough; however not sure a 'Government regulator' is what is required, as they have to be unbiased and look at both sides.
In truth and in fact we want them to only look at one side, to run football clubs the way we say, (the "we decide when you play phrase" didn't help with this aspect) where 'shareholder fans' and 'shareholder investors' are in fact two different things and therefore it will be hence forth difficult in future to be both!
OK... perhaps the above is stretching it a bit, but be careful what you wish for with government interference.
Regardless of the Glazers, United is a rich club and is/was often accused of using that 'might', in the past, certainly to its advantage (and I don't mean the amount of penalties awarded) especially in the transfer market. A leveling of the playing field is what 'regulation' is meant to achieve, but are we sure that is exactly what we want?
Anyway, I agree this is a move in the right direction at least a debate in Parliament should shed some light, but still warn about being careful what you wish for, this is not something we would want to undertake to influence, on just 'a wing and a prayer'.
Remember the UEFA FFP rules look good on paper but in practice became a bit 'iffy'.
This has already come to an end. Rather than the actual football, the money has once again taken its place as the most important factor. We have the English captain prostituting himself on TV, and Neville acting as the pimp. I would expect the ESL 12 to go after the Saudi billions by the end of the next season. Sad.
So, TRA and MUST are currently promoting This
I’m not sure what kind of response this will get on here but I’m embarrassed to see that two extremely influential groups of United fans are genuinely happy to raise funds for people who are accused of committing criminals offences.
I’m not sure what kind of response this will get on here but I’m embarrassed to see that two extremely influential groups of United fans are genuinely happy to raise funds for people who are accused of committing criminals offences.
Can we donate money to lock them up?
I’d be more than happy to donate, they weren’t afraid to let the club know how they felt whilst we were just sat doing nothing in our armchairs. More power to the real fans.
Does this include the wanker trashing all the camera equipment to "protest"?
then donate. That is literally the point of it.
Out of interest, and I’m presuming that there is one, where do you draw the line at providing funds to support people who have committed criminal offences?