Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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Seems like the 2 people he is bringing is Chris Armas and Sascha Lens. Maybe 1 more? I guess we'll see, Jesse Marsch would be cherry on the cake I think
 

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Seems to love talking about tactics in press conference. And he does it like he's giving a lecture. Isn't that exposing our moves to our rivals or am I being dramatic
 

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Seems to love talking about tactics in press conference. And he does it like he's giving a lecture. Isn't that exposing our moves to our rivals or am I being dramatic
Yes :p It's not like Klopp and co doesn't know about pressing and Rangnick's ideas.
 

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Seems to love talking about tactics in press conference. And he does it like he's giving a lecture. Isn't that exposing our moves to our rivals or am I being dramatic
When it comes together, there is nothing you can do to stop it. Ask Klopp and Pep!
 

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There was an actual organized shape yesterday, brought tears to my eyes :lol:
mine too! It seems we were focused on the left somewhat. Not sure if it is intentional. Then again you need 5 to support Rashford and just 3 to feed the Goat, sounds about right..:-) .
 

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From what my MLS watching peers tell me, this guy was atrocious as a manager.
 

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Que? Where are those people being negative on Rangnick and defending Ole? Obviously I don't read everything on this forum, but I can't remember seeing a single statement like that.

As for Fred and McT, that's a double-edged sword here, isn't. On the one hand, he did get a lot of flak for playing them frequently and people saw that as a lack of ambition. a defensive mentality and an unjustified use of players who just weren't good enough to play so often. Well, the fact that both Carrick and Rangnick are using them as their first option, and to good effect, obviously says something about that criticism not being entirely on the mark. On the other hand, there's a reason why they've looked (largely) good in the last four games and like a disaster earlier in the season.
First loss and they'll be out in full force, we saw the same with every manager change.
 

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How the feck did he make such drastic changes in how the team play overall within one training season? I thought it was supposed to be years before we see anything.
Tuchel pulled the same trick with Chelsea - sorted their defence out with a single training session. His first game in charge ended in a draw, but Chelsea looked like a completely different team after a very short time on the training pitch. Good managers make a difference.
 

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Tuchel pulled the same trick with Chelsea - sorted their defence out with a single training session. His first game in charge ended in a draw, but Chelsea looked like a completely different team after a very short time on the training pitch. Good managers make a difference.
This. What a good coach can do. Ralf actually said that most his work in the next few weeks will be analytical. Just telling players how to do it, where they need to be.
 

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Tuchel pulled the same trick with Chelsea - sorted their defence out with a single training session. His first game in charge ended in a draw, but Chelsea looked like a completely different team after a very short time on the training pitch. Good managers make a difference.
Agree. If you lead a team you should know what you want the team to do and how they will perform it. So this concludes the saga of people who have been saying pattern of plays and tactics mean nothing (granted they were saying it in sarcasms when Ole was here) -- they have been talking bollocks.
 

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Who is Armas?
A midfielder in his MLS playing days, Armas featured in 264 matches for the LA Galaxy and Chicago Fire. He also earned 66 caps for the US men’s national team.

In July 2018, Armas was promoted to head coach of New York Red Bulls after former manager Jesse Marsch departed the club to join RB Leipzig as an assistant. Marsch eventually ended up as head coach of the Bundesliga side, until he was sacked on Sunday.

Armas was dismissed after two years in charge of the club, eventually joining Toronto FC. But he was sacked less than six months after his appointment, following a 7-1 defeat by D.C. United.

“When you saw the way our team conceded yesterday, we saw no way back,” president Bill Manning said in July, after Armas’ dismissal. “We are expecting this roster to play better than they are.”

What is Rangnick’s relationship with Armas?
Armas and Rangnick previously worked together at New York Red Bulls.

Rangnick was the head of sport and development for Red Bull’s clubs in New York and Brazil while Armas was head coach.
 

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Agree. If you lead a team you should know what you want the team to do and how they will perform it. So this concludes the saga of people who have been saying pattern of plays and tactics mean nothing (granted they were saying it in sarcasms when Ole was here) -- they have been talking bollocks.
I don't think anyone has ever actually said that.
 

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He apparently also added a sports psychologist to the team. His name is Sascha Lense
 

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I don't think anyone has ever actually said that.
Oh there were. Believe me. When we won, some were quick to put laughing emojis saying "but no pattern of play, no tactics" sarcastically. The must keep Ole at all cost brigade were something else.
 

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Agree. If you lead a team you should know what you want the team to do and how they will perform it. So this concludes the saga of people who have been saying pattern of plays and tactics mean nothing (granted they were saying it in sarcasms when Ole was here) -- they have been talking bollocks.
I feel like I can describe Ole's tactics. Stay compact, sit back and absorb pressure and don't try to pressure the attacking player. Try to play on the break on turnovers, otherwise hold the ball along the backline, with a midfielder dropping into defense to look to feed Bruno, who is looking for high risk passes to open the defense. It's seems similar to the way many teams played against us in the 10s.

I'd also argue there was a clear shift this season to *try* to play more attacking football, which was as disastrous for us as it was for Cardiff.

While I'm here, I'd like to mention that I've never forgotten an article I read about how painful it is to run as much as players do these days. And this was actually from when Evans was still with us and running wasn't as important as it is now. Evans in particular said he'd be laid up in bed the next day after games, and that over a career the toll was heavy for players.

Its asking a lot, to ask someone to do that to their body, to push them to work so hard they hurt themselves, essentially. I don't think Ole was up for that, I think the players aren't going to push themselves that hard for someone who doesn't demand it and hold them accountable. I think it's a big part of why he was so popular in the dressing room, allowing them to play at a more "humane" pace.
 

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I don't think Rangnick is going to pick coaches he doesn't think are up to the challenge. He's on limited time, he'll only bring in people he believes will help him get his ideas across quickly
 

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Its not really. If you actually think about it in a footballing way, it makes sense.

However bad McTominay is as a player, which I agree with you that he is a poor player, you have to look at our squad. Yes, if we had a better player in that position, I'd agree that McT shouldn't start. We don;t have that player, we can't think Donny is that player when we have seen Ole, Carrick and now Ralf play Scotty instead of Donny.

Ideally, we need another Fred with better composure in that position, the way we want to play with 4 attackers and 2 full backs, we dont need anything special in midfield.
Donny has shown more in the few games he has played than McT has for the entire season (in the same position). Obviously he has deserved his chance. Obviously Ole and Carrick would both persist with Scott over Donny... they were both part of the same coaching setup. And we know that Ole was never a hands on coach. It's too early to say that Rangnick would prefer DVB or McTominay more since he's been in charge for a single game. We'll have to wait and see. But nothing will convince me that McTominay deserve to start over DVB until I see with my own eyes that DVB isn't playing any better. Also, another Fred in McTominay's position is the last thing we need. We need a holding midfielder that can dictate the tempo and control the game. I don't think Donny is precisely that, but he'd surely be a massive upgrade over McTominay in that department

I agree with the basic point that McTominay lacks the quality (and in part, which is worse, some of the basic traits required for that position) to be a frequent starter in the midfield. But there are more than a few things in your description above that you could pick at as being way over the top. To say for example that he doesn't utilize his physical advantages in any way whatsoever is plainly just silly. His passing is not dreadful, it's mediocre. And he's not a "nothing" footballer. He just doesn't do many important things well enough.
He hardly does. Kante is so small yet he dominates his opponents. McTominay could hardly ever get the ball away without fouling. Even someone like Fred who is extremely small, all things considered, is way more capable of taking the ball than McT. So if you mean that he does utilize his physical advantages to great effect, you'd be wrong. And as far as his passng goes, we saw this last night when Dalot was completely open and he missed an extremely easy pass and then tried to blame Dalot. His passing is absolutely dreadful at this level, not mediocre. Fred has mediocre passing.
 

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When people said SAF appointed 'losers' as his coaches, those 'losers' became 'losers' after they left or before they came to work with SAF?

I feel like there is a huge difference with when they became 'losers'.
 

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When people said SAF appointed 'losers' as his coaches, those 'losers' became 'losers' after they left or before they came to work with SAF?

I feel like there is a huge difference with when they became 'losers'.
None of them were losers, not being a good manager doesn't mean that you are not a good assistant manager/positional coach.
 

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why aren't we just hiring Pep as a first team coach? that seems realistic. we'll get klopp in too, to train set pieces. there might even be a spot open for rinus michels. pretty poor stuff from the manager ignoring these great coaches.
 

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why aren't we just hiring Pep as a first team coach? that seems realistic. we'll get klopp in too, to train set pieces. there might even be a spot open for rinus michels. pretty poor stuff from the manager ignoring these great coaches.
SAF may be old but he ain't too old to place some cones, on the training pitch.
 

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None of them were losers, not being a good manager doesn't mean that you are not a good assistant manager/positional coach.
Does not mean they can be a good assistant manager/positional coach either. A good assistant manager not being a good manager makes more sense than a bad manager being a good assistant to me.

I like to be on a safer side with their records.
 

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Does not mean they can be a good assistant manager/positional coach either. A good assistant manager not being a good manager makes more sense than a bad manager being a good assistant to me.

I like to be on a safer side with their records.
These guys were assistant managers in the RB system, Rangnick know them as assistants. It's not something that he is about to discover.
 

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These guys were assistant managers in the RB system, Rangnick know them as assistants. It's not something that he is about to discover.
Hope we don't get to discover here why they failed at their previous job then.
 

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If he ends up bringing so many assistants then he might stay on for another year if results are good
 

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Which job did they fail at as assistant coaches? They haven’t fared to well as managers but that’s completely different.
I don't have my mind set on that they will fail here.

I am just questioning people who said they will be fine. How would they even be sure? They can't be.

But what I find positive with this is that they are all into attacking and pressing stuff and I am all for it even if it does not turn out very well. Beats playing 7 defenders and still lose.

Just tempering my expectation a bit here.
 

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If he ends up bringing so many assistants then he might stay on for another year if results are good
There is also the possibility of building a staff, Lens is a pyschologist that anyone could benefit from while anyone else could be one of the coach that the next manager will keep for continuity. It's not that common for managers to start with a completely new staff, so do it but many don't. If you bring quality coaches there is a chance that they stay an example is Klopp current assistant manager Lijnders
 
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