If I bother with next year's thread, I think I'm going to have to use it for the first time.
It is a bloody 'disaster'. Some maybe wanted sports entertainment, but I wanted to watch good sport. Its what keeps me glued to the season rather than just reading results on BBC Sports page. I also casually follow WWE and I get a plenty dose of dramatic sports entertainment and 'spectacles' there.First, it's not a "disaster". Second, it's supposed to be a spectacle (not at the expense of integrity of the event of course) else why does any professional sports even exist.
Masi said that all teams had earlier discussed and decided that they didn't want to end races under SC where it was possible to avoid it. It was possible to have a racing lap but Masi absolutely botched it by not letting the lapped cars unlap themselves one lap earlier. The feck up started there.
I agree that it should have been all cars a lap earlier. Same result but none of this outpour of emotion which we are seeing now. It actually broke some of the posters it seems
It’s better than no evidence at all, which is what the guy I was quoting gaveImagine arguing Youtube popularity
Eagerly awaiting what lunatic metric will be wheeled out next to justify this farceImagine arguing Youtube popularity
My word, the level this can be dragged down to will never cease to amaze me. I know who the santi award this year goes to now!
I started using it for the first time yesterday after thinking I wouldn't need to. I can see me getting a bit trigger happy with it from now on
Yep. Imagine how sad your life must be that you’ve nothing else to do except bring straw man arguments to a racing sport thread… on a football forum… for a team you don’t even support… which is based in another country from the team you support? He probably gets a huge thrill from it, and yeah, he does manage to rile some people up, so potentially considered a success, but when the dust settles… the poor lads real world hasn’t changed. Or perhaps he just can’t stand it that his champion, deserving or not, will always have that cloud over his first championship.
ironic as that's all I see you doing about Baku, Istanbul and Silverstone
Once again missing the point, astonishing.Eagerly awaiting what lunatic metric will be wheeled out next to justify this farce
Once again missing the point. Amazing, it’s like I’m talking to brick walls here.ironic as that's all I see you doing about Baku, Istanbul and Silverstone
I can't speak for everyone everywhere. But I do know that German speaking motorsport forums are pretty much unified in thinking it was a joke. But then of course Mercedes also have a connection to German... unlike, say, Red Bull.
I’m quite confident change will happen. Not the result and perhaps not in the public eye. But I think there is a good chance things change.I started using it for the first time yesterday after thinking I wouldn't need to. I can see me getting a bit trigger happy with it from now on
It is interesting to see where F1 goes from here. It feels like it's all just going to be swept under the carpet though and not mentioned again
Presumably you are a grown adult. Just a little reminder.It’s better than no evidence at all, which is what the guy I was quoting gave
Amazing how many people miss this basic point.
That's precisely where it goes. Mercs have already got a big deal from this no doubt, it won't be announced they are dropping the case properly until it all dies down and talk of next season has begun.I started using it for the first time yesterday after thinking I wouldn't need to. I can see me getting a bit trigger happy with it from now on
It is interesting to see where F1 goes from here. It feels like it's all just going to be swept under the carpet though and not mentioned again
Comparing those other incidents is nothing comparable at all. Both drivers could have earnt more points through the season - obviously nobody had a perfect year.
Oh it would be so so sweet for the true golden team of F1 to return and get all the favourable decisions vs Max. Let’s go Le Clerc!
Max lost 70 points from bad luck and still beat Lewis. Not too worried about a guy who has just lost to Sainz.
Your analogy is fundamentally flawed because it’s nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to paint Max as a constant victim this season. Why not make your point without presenting your opinion as an underlying statement of fact.
Neither did Charlie Whiting. He sat alone in his office during races.
Unfortunately the answer to that was made clear with Brawn's comments. He could have indicated at that point they will review the rules and make sure that future championships are at least consistently overseen, but they've obviously decided that ratings are the most important metric. He didn't even have to throw Masi under a bus if it was well worded.
Did you get to that part and stop reading the rest of my post?
Where I literally said I think and hope Masi is removed, and also that unless the next person is a super star like Charlie, they also could fail…?At that point it isn’t sport anymore - it’s just entertainment. In professional sport you don’t ever break rules to create drama. In boxing if someone is KOd in the first round you don’t wait an hour and go again so the fans and TV viewers get their full money worth. In football if a CL final is being won 6-0 you don’t just suddenly red card 3 players from their team. In rugby you don’t suddenly make tries worth 15 points to bring a game closer if one team is winning. In Tennis you don’t extend the match if someone has won in 3 sets (or 2). I could go on and on and on. Sport will always have contentious judgement calls, which will always be debated by fans of all sides. But sport never has a flagrant breach of rules and a change of protocol which impact competitor decisions and treat competitors differently (Sainz and Max for example).
I think people watching F1 for the first time think it stinks because they do not understand safety cars, and that resetting the field is a part of F1. The 3-0 up comments etc . That’s just plain bad luck for Lewis and deploying the safety car and resetting the field was absolutely the correct thing to do.
For someone that's watched it for over 20 years, seems weird that you've probably forgotten this comment by Masi at the Nurburgring last year.
I will wait for the next steps to confirm but in that light, watching Lewis vs Max fans or Lewis vs Schumacher fans just makes it less serious and more hilarious in the future.
Max is the biggest chancer and most dangerous driver in F1. He has taken unnecessary risks for years and one day will cause someone harm with his erratic driving.
You speak for most people do you? Thought not.
I think you're being far too kind - you don't need to be a superstar to follow the rules, especially rules that you're already on the record for having used and understood. No amount of support and data is going to make a difference when you've got a glorified random number generator* making the decisions.
Yeah, just pointing out it's no excuse.Did you get to that part and stop reading the rest of my post?
I agree with you the first part. The way I see it, the only thing that should've been done differently, is that the lapped cars (all of them) should've been allowed to overtake a lap earlier, when the no overtaking message was sent out. Going by the team radios it seems quite a lot were expecting it at the stage too. Sainz especially went on about wanting lapped cars to go. If all the lapped cars had overtaken at that point, which was roughly the same part of the track, the safety car would probably have to go for another lap and the race would still have re-started at the same point in the race, and you'd expect the outcome to be the same.
Charlie did to be fair, Herbie Blash (his right hand man) was essentially was race director for the first two laps of every Grand Prix as Charlie was always starting the race from the gantry. I don't know if Masi has a team, but certainly needs to delegate some of the responsibility out there.
I agree for sure. And I’m not absolving him of blame at all. He should still have made the right calls - and I’ve said that throughout this thread because he has the no. 1 race director job in motor sport, to get that role you need to have competence beyond your typical person.
The lap before, there was a truck on the road removing Latifi’s car. So no, they could not have let them go a lap earlier.
Unfortunately the Verstappen fans on here (and most I've met) are pretty good reflections of the man himself - spoiled, unsporting hypocrites who believe he's the only one who should be allowed to race 'hard'. Come to think of it, that's pretty much Red Bull as well.
I feel that too. You could see that with Sky's coverage of the situation. They give it coverage to say they've discussed but they also know their bosses need them to protect the image of the sport and switch the focus to Max. Crofty was even defending Masi.I started using it for the first time yesterday after thinking I wouldn't need to. I can see me getting a bit trigger happy with it from now on
It is interesting to see where F1 goes from here. It feels like it's all just going to be swept under the carpet though and not mentioned again
Yet more bullsh1t.
The starter job is now a separate function. Once that door was closed, Whiting was undisturbed for the duration of the race and nobody would dare pressure him the way Horner and Wolff do. Help or no help, I think Masi lacks the standing in the sport and changing his mind on the lapped cars proved that. His decisions no longer have any weight because everybody will know he can be pressured to change them.
Where have you got that information from?
There's a third party app that reinstates likes/dislikes.
