Also Lingard was loaned out during that season and Mata joined in January when we were already in the shit.
And Mike Phelan who left before Moyes joined.
"Up to 11 players now want to leave United after becoming disillusioned with life at the club."
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Lukaku comes out and says he wants to play at Inter, he doesn't get to play immediately. This should be the way deal with players that are not 100% committed. Please leave.
Apart from Ronaldo, Varane and De Gea, none of these players have won feck all apart from League cup and Fa Cup in 8 years yet they act like they are newly crowned CL and League champions or some shit. The ego in this group is disgusting. Get rid of half this squad.
Our midfield getting completely bossed by the likes of Wolves & West Ham and our fullbacks are completely atrocious. Our attack has also become criminally bad. Rashford, Martial, Lingard, these are all completely useless offensive players. Honestly seems like Rashford injury has permanently fecked him over. He's beyond useless.
Midfield is still the biggest problem. It was even ran through by fecking Norwich. When teams like West Ham and Wolves have a better midfield than Man United you know it's bad.
Our midfield getting completely bossed by the likes of Wolves & West Ham and our fullbacks are completely atrocious. Our attack has also become criminally bad. Rashford, Martial, Lingard, these are all completely useless offensive players. Honestly seems like Rashford injury has permanently fecked him over. He's beyond useless.
Midfield is still the biggest problem. It was even ran through by fecking Norwich. When teams like West Ham and Wolves have a better midfield than Man United you know it's bad.
And isn't this what Rangnick vision for all the RB club out there? Full of young, inexperienced, hungry footballer that still have so much to prove so they will for sure understand and more accepting of his philosophy. Maybe this is what the club needs, complete reset of state, so that no more of those nostalgia trip claiming past success.
If he needs to get rid half of the squad for the club to achieve success again then so be it, this season is a write-off anyway.
Everytime Shaw has had a bad spell and out of the team there have been leaks at United. He's also been called out by two different managers and his form in 7 seasons has been massively hit and miss. Shaw wouldn't be on my list of untouchables.
Who has been leaking all this news! Is there a chance they are made up? Its not too hard to come up with stuff like this right, look at our poor performance and put out some news of player unrest.
Anyway we are now at rock bottom, if they wanna leave, leave. I'm already looking forward to next season when all these 'unhappy' players leave. If they are still around next season, then I hope the new manager relegate all of them to the U23, might have a chance to win something for a change.
They should learn from Ronaldo and Varane for example, the number of coaches (good and bad, toxic and good vibes family style) that they played for is crazy but it has never stop them from trying their best and winning. Maybe that's the real reason why Ronaldo gets pick cos he gets along with what the manager wants than complaining all the time. And yes I know Ronaldo has been crap.
Anyway we are now at rock bottom, if they wanna leave, leave. I'm already looking forward to next season when all these 'unhappy' players leave. If they are still around next season, then I hope the new manager relegate all of them to the U23, might have a chance to win something for a change.
They should learn from Ronaldo and Varane for example, the number of coaches (good and bad, toxic and good vibes family style) that they played for is crazy but it has never stop them from trying their best and winning. Maybe that's the real reason why Ronaldo gets pick cos he gets along with what the manager wants than complaining all the time. And yes I know Ronaldo has been crap.
Jones and Pogba.
Matic and Cavani as well
If anything this is telling me that hiring Ralf was the right thing to do.
No wonder these players enjoyed playing under Ole. He let them act like the lazy primadonnas they are.
We need to rebuild around the winners and those with the right mentality.
I have a feeling this also stems from Ronaldo coming back. He is not going to be satisfied with the lack of ambition and effort from so many of our players.
Sell the lot of them.
No wonder these players enjoyed playing under Ole. He let them act like the lazy primadonnas they are.
We need to rebuild around the winners and those with the right mentality.
I have a feeling this also stems from Ronaldo coming back. He is not going to be satisfied with the lack of ambition and effort from so many of our players.
Sell the lot of them.
I mean people are pushing him to coach United but he would have no chance of doing well. Of course Pep would find it difficult but he wouldn’t come and if he did would probably want some player contracts cancelled before he’d sign.
I think that’s where United are at now. It’s not about getting a coach in for THIS squad it needs to be more radical, which could mean paying massive contracts off, demoting big players to the under 23s or wherever so that they are forced out.
Woodward obviously has to be the first out the door. He started the hoarding of failing players to “retain their value”. Has there been one case in 8 years where that has any positive outcome? I would say the inability to sell/get rid of failing players has been United’s number issue for the last 8 years (though you could say there are plenty more contenders).
Hope they leave as soon as possible. I offer to bring my car all the way from Birmingham to drive them to Manchester airport.
I think if you took a knife to the squad and tomorrow cut Maguire, Shaw, McTominay, Ronaldo, Henderson, Martial, Pogba, Lingard and brought in a DM or two our results and performances would not get worse (providing the squad doesn't get decimated by injuries/covid). I'd rather just cut most of the ones wanting out already and a few of the British underachievers and start from there.
I can easily see 11 players who won't be here next season:
Mata, Matic, Bailly, Henderson, Cavani, Pogba, Lingard, VDB, Jones, Martial and maybe Dalot.
Assuming we revert back to a 451/433, we will need 2 cms, backup keeper and a striker.
GK: DDG, Heaton, New
RB: AWB and Laird
CB: Maguire, Varanne, VNL and Tuanzebe
LB: Shaw and Telles
CM/AM: Bruno, McT, Hannibal, Fred and 2 new players.
WF: Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho and Amad or Elanga
ST: Ronaldo, New
-----------------DDG-----------------
AWB-Varane-Maguire-Shaw
-----------New-New---------------
Sancho--Bruno--Rashford
------------Ronaldo---------------
Doesn't look too bad but we will need to make sure that we get the right manager in and get 2 top cms.
Mata, Matic, Bailly, Henderson, Cavani, Pogba, Lingard, VDB, Jones, Martial and maybe Dalot.
Assuming we revert back to a 451/433, we will need 2 cms, backup keeper and a striker.
GK: DDG, Heaton, New
RB: AWB and Laird
CB: Maguire, Varanne, VNL and Tuanzebe
LB: Shaw and Telles
CM/AM: Bruno, McT, Hannibal, Fred and 2 new players.
WF: Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho and Amad or Elanga
ST: Ronaldo, New
-----------------DDG-----------------
AWB-Varane-Maguire-Shaw
-----------New-New---------------
Sancho--Bruno--Rashford
------------Ronaldo---------------
Doesn't look too bad but we will need to make sure that we get the right manager in and get 2 top cms.
And nor should he be. He's been crap this season also
That's the thing, I will perhaps fault him for completely changing the way we try and play when he's only had 6 days to really instil it, and those six days have all been far apart. Carrick and McKenna would actually have been useful during this period, fully briefing him on the inabilities of the squad and perhaps he would have been able to slowly introduce his methods. You could see during the Wolves game he saw the 4-2-2 wasn't working so reverted back to a 3 at the back to make us more solid.
If there isn't a noticeable difference in how we play by the time we play Burnley on the 8th of February. Then yes I'll be very worried. But my optimistic side thinks we will see stepped improvement in each of the next three games. This month should give him a lot more time of solid and consistent training with the squad.
hysteria i guess, i have been the same at times the last few weeks. it really is mind boggling how bad we have been. the only explanations are that ralf isn't actually good, some convoluted conspiracy about various high paid players downing tools, or that ralf wants to implement a style that takes a huge amount of training to execute, and is very open and weak in the mean time. think we are all praying it is the last. i personally doubt it is some wierd revolt over simply a tactical issue on the pitch which may or may not improve.
Well he is the second interim manager we’ve had this season. And he’s done worse than the first. My comment more stems from the two year consultancy role to be honest. I know he isn’t actually going to go and neither are 11 players.
You would need a minibus.
He hasn't done worse though.
It amazes me that some of you lot expected instant title winning form. We were left in crisis ffs.
He can make 11 trips.
Up to 11 trips
Get a transit van and chuck them in the back.
It’s a superficial summary with no knowledge of how many actual days training there was. Ignores any training between the Arsenal game and Palace game, assumes they all have the day off the day after a game and also ignores all reports of doing double sessions. I’m not going to argue that he’s had a perfect opportunity but 6 days training just won’t be true. Regardless of that, we’re a tactical mess.
Good to see some people calling Rashford out in this thread as an underperformer and overpaid. The guy has been living off past performances for some time now. He makes twice as much as Mane ffs but with half the effort/output on the pitch.
Its really sad to see with some members of the squad because the talent is definitely there but the drive and hunger is non-existent.
Its really sad to see with some members of the squad because the talent is definitely there but the drive and hunger is non-existent.
Right now the only clique I'd approve of is the proven winners within our squad calling out the dross to play better.
God forbid you have actual CL, EPL or other league winners telling you to do better and up your game so you go crying to a paper.
If that's the case then out you go and good riddance, you're playing for Manchester United, if you aren't up to scratch then the door is open, sick of these babies crying because they have to work hard for the badge.
God forbid you have actual CL, EPL or other league winners telling you to do better and up your game so you go crying to a paper.
If that's the case then out you go and good riddance, you're playing for Manchester United, if you aren't up to scratch then the door is open, sick of these babies crying because they have to work hard for the badge.
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He has though. We’ve scored one goal more in twice as many games. In considerably easier fixtures and bar thirty minutes against Palace we’ve looked a much worse side.
It amazes me that some of you lot think we can’t expect better performances and results against Newcastle, Norwich, Palace, Burnley, Young Boys and Wolves. We’ve been complete trash for all but 30 minutes of those games.
Good riddance to the majority of them.
I'm not saying he is a shit coach, but I can only judge him on what I see in front of me.Not even a month her, in a busy period, interrupted by covid and they haven't adapted to the new style yet ... shit coach
I am not saying he will come good especially if they players seem to work against him but he is only here for 6 month to build the foundation and give directions for the future.
He may not have the best coaching credentials but what he build with Salzburg is incredible and he definitely has a vision.
Its to early to make a fair assessment which is why I haven't actually called him a shit coach or started a Ralf out campaign, but its not been the most convincing start so far.
The thing is, I don't know whether you are implying this is Pogba or Lingard which makes it even worse.
Are we supposed to sympathise with them? It has become patently obvious the players are a bunch of deluded, entitled babies with bloated egos. The board aren't helping in having helped allowed this culture to emerge, but these cnuts need booing and reminding they're nothing without performances.
Them two don't strike me as two moaners.
This is an absolute mess.
Even the most drastic thing you can really do (change manager) hasn't done anything. Half the squad seem to be fecking babies, leaking shit every week and we've been playing like shit for the better part of the last 8 years.
The board are incompetent, the manager is anyone's guess at the moment and the players are sulking whinge bags with no desire.
I know people say Utd fans can't say they've suffered because of the success we've had but it's all relative. It's depressing watching that shit every week and hoping for improvement only to be served more crap. If I missed the next few games I wouldn't exactly be disappointed.
Even the most drastic thing you can really do (change manager) hasn't done anything. Half the squad seem to be fecking babies, leaking shit every week and we've been playing like shit for the better part of the last 8 years.
The board are incompetent, the manager is anyone's guess at the moment and the players are sulking whinge bags with no desire.
I know people say Utd fans can't say they've suffered because of the success we've had but it's all relative. It's depressing watching that shit every week and hoping for improvement only to be served more crap. If I missed the next few games I wouldn't exactly be disappointed.
It's almost like the club was hit by covid and the players are getting found out for being far below the necessary fitness required for Rangnick's liking.
Effort may be less but output hasn’t been less for two and half years. Rashford has more goals and assists in that period than Mane has. Mane continues to live off his 18/19 form.
Overpaid and underworked for far too long.
Output is not only goals and assists.
United are so unfortunate to be the only team hampered by Covid. None of those are excuses for frankly bizarre tactics, team selections and substitutions.
Seeing as you're in a giving spirit, and would be in Manchester anyway, could you pick me up some Greggs pasties after you've dropped them off?
What were you referring to then? Because Mane has been shit for two years.
The deadwood wants to leave? Good riddance. This January, asap, and then promote the youngsters.