I think they've downed tools on the board tbf.
"Up to 11 players now want to leave United after becoming disillusioned with life at the club."
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Maguire is a weak ass fecking captain who does not motivate on the pitch and has allowed cliques to form off it
Do Maguire feel intimidated by Ronaldo’s presence at the club? I always felt some players were in awe of Ronaldo and had always an obligation on the pitch to pass the ball to him instead of taking it on themselves. Sancho is certainly one of them I observed
Whoever it is that keeps leaking information to the media we need to get them out of the club.
Obviously there’s some truth in what the players are saying but this is not the way to react. And it’s not like they were working hard prior to Rangnick coming in.
Goldbridge and his followers banging the table for an immediate backroom clearout are left with egg on their face.
I’ve decided to take a break from following the club. It’s taking a toll on my mental health. And it’s not worth it on this lot.
Goldbridge and his followers banging the table for an immediate backroom clearout are left with egg on their face.
I’ve decided to take a break from following the club. It’s taking a toll on my mental health. And it’s not worth it on this lot.
I am curious about the source of these leaks. Whichever player is doing this, assuming that it is a player leak and not something entirely made up, and I don’t think it’s entirely made up because it’s very believable based on what we see on the field, do the players believe that the fans, the footballing public and such will take their side?
If so it’s a massive own goal because all I’ve seen anywhere, and quite rightly, is backlash against the players for their lazy underperformance.
If so it’s a massive own goal because all I’ve seen anywhere, and quite rightly, is backlash against the players for their lazy underperformance.
No need to apologise. You can't help it.... FFS
Bunch of fecking gimps our players honestly.
We need to instill some fear in this lot, start being more ruthless with culling the deadwood while rewarding those who not only put in the work, but continue to work once they've 'Made it'.
We need to instill some fear in this lot, start being more ruthless with culling the deadwood while rewarding those who not only put in the work, but continue to work once they've 'Made it'.
We've got so many players who want to leave and aren't playing that I imagine is where most of the noise is coming from
It is truly incredible to me when seeing this BS that we have threads calling out the manager after 5 games. We could have hired Paul Ince as manager and the lack of effort of this lot would still be the players fault. Theyre an absolute disgrace.
Hopefully RR will bring in somebody in January that I can get excited about. Here we come sixth place! This has been the most difficult period for me, post Fergie. I know I may take some slack, but at least our work rate was better under the previous managers, bar Ole.
Late '90s glory hunters mainly. Us older ones were never convinced
A shame they didn't repay him by trying a bit harder then, and not get tonked 0-5 at home by Liverpool.
I dare say you're right. Maybe they should take a bit more interest in their own professional world.
Really? Just because he said that players who don't want to play for the club can do one? I think most fans would support him there.
No it isn't. You seem to think it's a mass rebellion though. It's just as likely to be one or two disgruntled players making out that they are speaking for the majority so they come across as concerned statesmen rather than whining pricks. Probably the same ones that moaned about McKenna's "schoolmasterly" coaching.
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If body language and effort is any indication of the players mentality, the entire squad must be moaning. Not one of them has played like they deserve to be playing at Manchester United except Phil Jones in the last match.
I hope he continues to start until he's injured again. Which, may not be long but would be a clear message to the rest of these ass hats.
I hope he continues to start until he's injured again. Which, may not be long but would be a clear message to the rest of these ass hats.
I wish there were some newspapers dedicated to fans view only so that we tell the overpaid cnuts how much we doubt the ability of these whinging whining moaning bunch of wasters at this club. Won nothing the lot of them bar few but behave like god’s gift to humanity. Absolute bottlers who crap their pants in every big game now would decide every decision at the club . Made utd embarrassed on the pitch regularly and have no professional pride in them collectively and they, they talk about suitability and what’s good and what’s not for Manchester United. Bunch of crooks and cowards who are offended by everything and ashamed of nothing. The day we get rid of these rats who are leaking everything and not giving a feck about fans and the club would be the day manutd would get their DNA back.
Cliques form in any work place when people feel threatened. Ronaldo is probably thinking this is his last chance at a Champion's League club. Despite all the bullcrap CafTalk of him being fine to work with Ralf, it's basically looking like he's decided one of them has to go. He isn't wrong.
It's more likely to be the players who suit high press versus the ones who don't - Ronaldo, Maguire, AWB, De Gea, Pogba, Cavani, Rashford, Martial, Matic
We need a transfer window like when Sir Alex got rid of Hughes, Ince, and Kanchelskis. Just wake up tomorrow and find out we've sold Rashford, McTominay, and Maguire or something.
Its clear that the media love to "speculate" on our club to rile up fans & generate clicks.
Been happening for years, under different managers, with different squad players & coaching staff - the only constant are the journalists who profit off such news. Fergie famously kept his media connections at a minimum.
Now you've got hundreds of thousands of grown men willing to believe any & every gossip piece that comes out in a weird masochistic bond.
Been happening for years, under different managers, with different squad players & coaching staff - the only constant are the journalists who profit off such news. Fergie famously kept his media connections at a minimum.
Now you've got hundreds of thousands of grown men willing to believe any & every gossip piece that comes out in a weird masochistic bond.
If any of this true, then Ralf is doing his job.
They will know end of season who's the go and who staying. Getting ridiculous this balls, team of players for so long under performing but paid better than nearly every other club in England. Total farce, rears it head nearly every season with one manager or not.
Seems to me half the time the players just happy with easy and getting paid, and don't want to knuckle down.
If his methods are ruffling their feathers then he is doing his job.
Absolutely baffling they would be questioning his coaching like he's big Sam
They will know end of season who's the go and who staying. Getting ridiculous this balls, team of players for so long under performing but paid better than nearly every other club in England. Total farce, rears it head nearly every season with one manager or not.
Seems to me half the time the players just happy with easy and getting paid, and don't want to knuckle down.
If his methods are ruffling their feathers then he is doing his job.
Absolutely baffling they would be questioning his coaching like he's big Sam
exactly but everyone eating it up. Low hanging fruit for these "journalists"
State of the club though to be such easy fodder for them
I doubt any cliques are down to nationality-if there any it's those who are playing and those who are not.
These leaks confirm what many already suspected - our players are a bunch of clowns and a lot of them need moving on
I don’t think it should take 6 weeks to play to at least the standard they played under Michael Carrick. We’ll see in the long run and I hope I’m proven spectacularly wrong.
That’s a big part of the managers job to manage those situations. It’s not hard to pick an 11. The difficult part is in these details. If players won’t play the way he wants, pick somebody else.
Is it can't or won't?
If we have the finest set of youngsters in 50 years coming through together, brilliant.
If it’s won’t then pick somebody who will.
I mean Luke Shaw after the game said not all the players are together. It's not all made up bollocks.
Absolutely mate. The players don’t even know Ralf, he’s been there for a few weeks. When you have half the squad unhappy, that can’t be the players fault either, most people aren’t naturally problematic and will generally try their best.
This is a combination of 9 years of mismanagement suddenly coming home to roost on the boards doorstep. They can’t repair the leak with cellotape anymore, the pipe has burst. I hope we don’t finish outside top 4 but it’s not looking good right now, neither is our future as a top club. Let’s hope Ralf is backed to sort it out!
I haven't read through the thread, so I could be repeating what's already been said.
Get rid of everyone who's creating problem or wants to go.
This set of players have a lot of talent but the mentality is all wrong.
Jones isn't the answer obviously but what he does have is the determination to do his best. He put his head where many of our players wouldn't put their foot to win a free kick in the last match.
I don't care who it is, whether it's Bruno, rashford or Ronaldo (3 of my favourite players) if they're causing issues get rid.
Over January and the summer, we need to bring in grafters with the ability to pass a ball and bin the prima Donnas.
Get rid of everyone who's creating problem or wants to go.
This set of players have a lot of talent but the mentality is all wrong.
Jones isn't the answer obviously but what he does have is the determination to do his best. He put his head where many of our players wouldn't put their foot to win a free kick in the last match.
I don't care who it is, whether it's Bruno, rashford or Ronaldo (3 of my favourite players) if they're causing issues get rid.
Over January and the summer, we need to bring in grafters with the ability to pass a ball and bin the prima Donnas.
Yes. Very much so.
I am all in favour of him dropping those who don't give full commitment and picking players who are hungry and will at least give everything.
If the leaked stories are only half true neither Klopp nor Pepp will get this team performing. Both coaches demand 110% effort and theirv teams are well known for their hard and relentless work ethic.
I believe United is missing a core of senior players who will identify the foul apples in the squad. At Bayern you have Neuer, Müller, Lewandowski and Kimmich (before also Alaba and Boateng) who are 100% committed to the club and want outmost success. If some players don't give it all, they will take care of the issue.
Just what happened with Sané when he joined last year. In the first 6 months his body language on the pitch didn't look good and when he lost a ball he was often seen just standing and complaining. Look at the player today. He is one the absolute top performers this season, always chasing after a ball he lost and winning many important tackles. A complete changed player.
Surely their had to be also given credit to Nagelsmann to let me play on the left and giving him more freedom to move to the center but the change of attitude and body language needs to come from within the team.
All great teams have such a core of players who ensure everybody is absolutely given the best. Liverpool with Henderson, VVD, Millner and Wynaldum. Real Madrid with Ronaldo, Ramos, Modric and Benzema.
I don't see such a core at United.
We simply parked the bus under Carrick. There was nothing amazing about the performances under him
I think you’re probably making a wise move there. I’m having trouble caring any more. Good luck mate.
I’m sure we won’t notice if any of these so called professionals moves on as their performances have been akin to over paid primadonnas for months now….the lot of them can do one….I left OT after the goal the other night - I was so depressed with what I’ve seen from this bunch and their efforts against wolves were shocking. And before you climb aboard and accuse me of glory hunting I was in OT with 20000 hardy soles back in 1988 when we had just gone another season watching poor football - but at least those guys tried and were not being paid life changing amounts of money each week for sweet FA. Roll on May and a break from following these imposters in ‘our’ red shirts….
Ok who's going to get rid of Ronaldo?
Get all these feckers out of the club. Every last one of them. Oppressive? Are you kidding me.
I don’t believe it has anything to do with nationality. I mean for example are Rashford and Maguire really friends? They probably get on alright but on international duty it’s Sancho and Rashford while Maguire is always with Stones, Kane, Rice, etc.
Shaw probably gets on with both Maguire and Rashford.
Greenwood probably doesn’t care about stuff like that and may occasionally knock on Rashford’s and Sancho’s door.
AWB gets on with AWB.
Same with Donny.
Ronaldo, Bruno and their little brother Dalot.
Fred and?? McT?
Cavani and?
Pogba is currently not playing but gets on well with the academy lads
I think it’s rather players who are playing vs those who are not.
But the problem with that is lets say its the ones not playing, Henderson, Donny, Lingard, Telles, Dalot, Martial, Baily, Pogba....they dont wield any power at the club. If they're unhappy it can't exactly spill over into the pitch when most barely play, yet there are plenty that are playing and look unhappy and play terribly.
People don’t want to hear it but I really believe Ronaldo being undroppable is a huge issue. Greenwood has to come off or be on the bench instead. Cavani might also not be happy about the other old striker being undroppable. Players might also not be happy with Bruno playing for Ronaldo. They might also not like the system RR is playing … but that doesn’t necessarily mean that there are cliques. Just players with different opinions based on their own current status in the team.
I mean the class of 92 were one of the biggest cliques we had - but it never had a bad influence on the team or performances.