Jose Mourinho | Sacked by Roma

[Pintu]

Does anyone know how much Roma are actually paying him?

In Italy, they report after-tax wages. He is making 7 M € after tax. It is double what Roma was paying Fonseca. With Conte (and his 11M after tax) gone, Mourinho might be the highest earner in the league alongside Allegri. But Roma's overall wage bill is much lower this year. About 40 M less than the season before, and the team is not weaker.

Abraham earns half the wages Dzeko had. Most of their deadwood and the expensive players have been sold or moved out (Pastore, Nzonzi, Florenzi, Pedro, Pau Lopez, Kluivert.) and replaced with useful players on normal wages and most with decent resale value if need be.

It would cost them 10,5 M net, almost 20 M gross to fire him. They can afford to sack him, but I don't think he is in danger as of yet. A top 4 finish was always gonna be a very difficult one for the first season. They still haven't given him the midfielder he's been asking for since joining.

Which players? I mean he didn't rate Smalling much in the end at Man. United yet he's starting every week now, are all the other Roma CBs injured?

Even though Samlling is no prime Chiellini, he is still a good defender for Roma's standards. It is not like they can afford Koulibaly or Skrinjar.

Yesterday they had 3 very important players (2 of them defenders) missing in Mancini, Karsdorp and Zaniolo. 18 year old kid Afena-Gyan played instead of Zaniolo and Karsdorp was replaced as right-back by Maitland-Niles, for his first ever football game in Italy.

This collapse is tough but the defeat to Milan's reserve on Thursday is actually much worse. Roma had a much better side available on the day and they somehow botteled it.

 

[Nordmore]

Can't blame them when few people who watched ManUtd week in week out also thought Jose did nothing wrong and till this day whenever we lose couple of games in a row, they bring how great Jose was and how we would have won the league if he was backed.

That's some serious delusional shit I must say.

Football has evolved a lot in the last 20 years and Mourinho flatly refuse or simply doesn't know how to adapt. The guy is well finished at the top club level.

However imo he may still have something left for a national side. His football despite ugly might be actually pretty good in a tournament I think.

 

[DWelbz19]

He would say that there are no expectations and Roma were lucky to lose only by 1

Got a feeling we won’t see that ‘fan’ post for a while

 

[2 man midfield]

Genuinely wonder where he’ll go next. It’ll probably be some obscure national team like Iran or something. Who would be daft enough to employ him?

 

[Idxomer]

Current season vs last season after 21 games

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And he's the most backed manager in the league.

 

[André Dominguez]

Current season vs last season after 21 games

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I think it would be more fair to compare with 2019/20. At 2020/21 since the takeover of new owners they immediatly let clear that Fonseca would not be Roma's manager next season and basically and the players stopped doing the extra mile for him (it's not easy to motivate players when they know you are a dead man walking, a bit similar situation as we are with Ralf IMO).

Roma in 2019/20 had 38 points at Round 20, and the previous manager didn't had neither the transfer money or the emergency loans Roma are getting this January to cover the injuries.

 

[FootballHQ]

Genuinely wonder where he’ll go next. It’ll probably be some obscure national team like Iran or something. Who would be daft enough to employ him?

If Portugal lose to Italy in world cup play offs then Santos era is finished so I do think that feels like the right time for him to become Portugal manager and his tactics nowadays suit tournament football more than 50 game seasons.

 

[Neil_Buchanan]

I have never seen a manager so eager to throw his own players under the bus. I don’t remember him being this way earlier in his career or was just that because he was winning everything?

 

[Lay]

I have never seen a manager so eager to throw his own players under the bus. I don’t remember him being this way earlier in his career or was just that because he was winning everything?

He always picked on certain players. Joe Cole at Chelsea, Quaresma at Inter (maybe others but memory is failing me) Iker at Real Madrid, Matic and the medical staff at Chelsea part 2

 

[Dancfc]

I have never seen a manager so eager to throw his own players under the bus. I don’t remember him being this way earlier in his career

He was, even one of his loyal followers wasn't immune.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-359740/Carvalho-needs-IQ-test-hits-Mourinho.html

 

[WeePat]

He was, even one of his loyal followers wasn't immune.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-359740/Carvalho-needs-IQ-test-hits-Mourinho.html

totally forgot about that lack of IQ attack on Carvalho. He could get away with stuff like that back then, at the height of his peak.

 

[andersj]

He always picked on certain players. Joe Coke at Chelsea, Quaresma at Inter (maybe others but memory is failing me) Iker at Real Madrid, Matic and the medical staff at Chelsea part 2

Even Arjen Robben, I think.

Right now his point per game is 1,76. Worse than any other coach at Roma since 2013 (Zeman). Worse than Fonesca, Ranieri, Di Fransesco, Spalleti, Garcia and Andreazzoli. And when he leave Roma, I’m confident that will still be the case.

Because he is a really poor coach. Maybe the best we have had at Man Utd post Ferguson. But still, not good at all. And it was very obvious when we hired him. Not his fault, but hiring him was so stupid! (That being said, I think he had 80 % «approval» in here.)

 

[Dancfc]

totally forgot about that lack of IQ attack on Carvalho. He could get away with stuff like that back then, at the height of his peak.

I use to use that as a defense to him doing it constantly to our squad when he returned

How naive I was back then. Atleast I can hold onto the fact with us was his first proper meltdown (Madrid sort off but he still finished 2nd and made UCL semi despite everything going on) and we have the history with him. Fans of his club's after us doing it is bizarre, it's like us appointing Wenger right now and trying to convince ourselves he's not going to be stubborn as feck anymore and we won't get smashed in every big away game.

 

[Siezard]

He always picked on certain players. Joe Cole at Chelsea, Quaresma at Inter (maybe others but memory is failing me) Iker at Real Madrid, Matic and the medical staff at Chelsea part 2

If he picked on Matic, why did he sign Matic at Man Utd?

 

[2 man midfield]

If he picked on Matic, why did he sign Matic at Man Utd?

Conte picked on him even more

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Never got over teams being able to negate a low block. Even if you gave him a billion, he couldn't build a team that wins nowadays.

 

[ZolaWasMagic]

Love him, best manager i have seen at the Bridge. I think his 04-06 sides would have beaten this City team, or itd have been mighty close. But his day has been and gone. Getting to the point not many big clubs will touch him now. Newcastle might be next, though

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

What winds me up most is that people talk about the two trophies won under his tenure like he masterminded them. Does no one remember the teams we played (and struggled against), needing a wonder FK from a young Rashford to beat those Spanish giants Celta Vigo and relying on a ridiculous performance from Zlatan to beat Southampton in the League Cup final.

It's not like the team battered teams and convincingly won the games was it.

 

[ZolaWasMagic]

Genuinely wonder where he’ll go next. It’ll probably be some obscure national team like Iran or something. Who would be daft enough to employ him?

newcastle. Howe wont be there long and if he keeps them up and Roma sack Jose, it'll be possible. Id guess Portugal national team too. Porto again eventually. The elite clubs are done with him i reckon

 

[Dancfc]

Love him, best manager i have seen at the Bridge. But his day has been and gone. Getting to the point not many big clubs will touch him now. Newcastle might be next, though

When I truly think about what has happened to him it's so so odd.

How can someone who was so good become this bad? I genuinely cannot identify a single feature in his present day self from his first spell here. At United he was still clinging onto a good home record but that's totally gone now in his last two jobs.

 

[AshRK]

I use to use that as a defense to him doing it constantly to our squad when he returned

How naive I was back then. Atleast I can hold onto the fact with us was his first proper meltdown (Madrid sort off but he still finished 2nd and made UCL semi despite everything going on) and we have the history with him. Fans of his club's after us doing it is bizarre, it's like us appointing Wenger right now and trying to convince ourselves he's not going to be stubborn as feck anymore and we won't get smashed in every big away game.

He never chose to evolve. He still enjoys playing like underdog and winning and hence he always fondly talks about his Inter loss of 1-0 against Barca or Chelsea beating Pool 2-0 at anfield , the gerrard slip. People say Pep overthinks and complicates, well Jose is no different. His CL loss to PSG when he was managing chelsea when playing against 10 men psg was weird. Similarly his tactics of playing like an underdog against Sevilla was idiotic.

It is sad how once a top manager has fallen of grace this quickly.

 

[2 man midfield]

newcastle. Howe wont be there long and if he keeps them up and Roma sack Jose, it'll be possible. Id guess Portugal national team too. Porto again eventually. The elite clubs are done with him i reckon

Yeah no chance he gets another top job until he halts the steep decline he’s on. Then again Ancelotti was going the same was and then the Madrid job fell into his lap. Who knows with Perez?

 

[Kablamo]

The penny dropped for Chelsea fans (some a lot, lot later than others). Then the pattern repeated at United, with Spurs and now Roma.

Don't let the 2014/15 title fool you, Mourinho never recovered from the Madrid dressing room.

 

[WeePat]

I use to use that as a defense to him doing it constantly to our squad when he returned

How naive I was back then. Atleast I can hold onto the fact with us was his first proper meltdown (Madrid sort off but he still finished 2nd and made UCL semi despite everything going on) and we have the history with him. Fans of his club's after us doing it is bizarre, it's like us appointing Wenger right now and trying to convince ourselves he's not going to be stubborn as feck anymore and we won't get smashed in every big away game.

I was still under his spell when he came back in 2013. I was giddy with excitement to have him back and fully bought into the "I have come home, I'm one of you" propaganda he ran on our fanbase. I used to constantly defend him day in day out, use all kinds of mental gymnastics to deflect. In the end it became too exhausting and I realised everyone else was right, Mourinho was toxic as feck.

United fans probably he felt it was Chelsea, everyone gets fired there and it's not always indicative of the manager's ability to win things. That's understandable. Fans at his subsequent clubs should have known better though.

 

[Dancfc]

I was still under his spell when he came back in 2013. I was giddy with excitement to have him back and fully bought into the "I have come home, I'm one of you" propaganda he ran on our fanbase. I used to constantly defend him day in day out, use all kinds of mental gymnastics to deflect. In the end it became too exhausting and I realised everyone else was right, Mourinho was toxic as feck.

United fans probably he felt it was Chelsea, everyone gets fired there and it's not always indicative of the manager's ability to win things. That's understandable. Fans at his subsequent clubs should have known better though.

Yeah same, me and my friend were like schoolkids en route to a 1D concert when the return was announced it was so cringe looking back

What's funniest for me is it went totally the other way in 2019, I wouldn't have renewed my membership if he returned (it was unlikely to happen but him refusing to rule it out when covering the UCL final with Wenger made me nervous), nothing personal to him I just knew by then he was done managing at the top level and him returning would show we had no direction or plan as a club.

 

[Player Red]

If he picked on Matic, why did he sign Matic at Man Utd?

Guess he meant Mata.

 

[DWelbz19]

If Portugal lose to Italy in world cup play offs then Santos era is finished so I do think that feels like the right time for him to become Portugal manager and his tactics nowadays suit tournament football more than 50 game seasons.

They've already had Santos ruin a few major competitions and stifle their attacking talents with his shite tactics, don't think their fans would want to be subjected to Mourinho straight after that

 

[Joel Miller]

He had a real aura about him at his peak. I think just knowing you were up against a Mourinho side played on the minds of a lot of sides and gave his teams a psychological edge.

That’s been well and truly gone for some time now. Football has changed a lot over the last 15 or so years and he simply hasn’t moved with it, so what you now have is a footballing dinosaur who’s still getting respectable jobs and huge wages on name and past glories alone.

 

[andersj]

Love him, best manager i have seen at the Bridge. I think his 04-06 sides would have beaten this City team, or itd have been mighty close. But his day has been and gone. Getting to the point not many big clubs will touch him now. Newcastle might be next, though

Chelsea spent 50 % more on wages than the second highest spender in the PL that season (Man Utd). In modern time, I dont think we have ever seen such a huge difference in the PL. And I think people really underestimate how much that helped Mourinho.

 

[PepG]

In my honest opinion his downfall began in 2008 when he was NOT hired as a new Barcelona manager. He took it very personally that Barca board prefered instead of him an unexperienced coach such as Pep Guardiola at that time.. In his time at Inter and especially at Real Madrid he did everything to show the world that he can be as successfull as Barca playing in exact the opposite way. He was the antithesis of Barca's model. After his spell at Madrid ended he went back to England but he was already lost his spark, his mojo.. now he is just benefiting from his name and status. Guy's finished as a manager.

 

[Dancfc]

Chelsea spent 50 % more on wages than the second highest spender in the PL that season (Man Utd). In modern time, I dont think we have ever seen such a huge difference in the PL. And I think people really underestimate how much that helped Mourinho.

Ranieri and Scolari had the same advantages and didn't take advantage. Money helps but you still had to be a class manager to outfox SAF, peak Wenger and even Benitez too an extent.

 

[GifLord]

I think it would be more fair to compare with 2019/20. At 2020/21 since the takeover of new owners they immediatly let clear that Fonseca would not be Roma's manager next season and basically and the players stopped doing the extra mile for him (it's not easy to motivate players when they know you are a dead man walking, a bit similar situation as we are with Ralf IMO).

Roma in 2019/20 had 38 points at Round 20, and the previous manager didn't had neither the transfer money or the emergency loans Roma are getting this January to cover the injuries.

The last time Roma had as little as 32 points after 21 games was in 2011/12 season

 

[ZolaWasMagic]

When I truly think about what has happened to him it's so so odd.

How can someone who was so good become this bad? I genuinely cannot identify a single feature in his present day self from his first spell here. At United he was still clinging onto a good home record but that's totally gone now in his last two jobs.

Obviously its part ego, and i think he was almost considering himself too good to be sacked thus resulting in him just throwing players under the bus, having digs at the boards.

But he was so good yes. 1 league defeat all season in 04/05, 15 goals conceded all league campaign, 4yrs unbeaten at home.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Chelsea spent 50 % more on wages than the second highest spender in the PL that season (Man Utd). In modern time, I dont think we have ever seen such a huge difference in the PL. And I think people really underestimate how much that helped Mourinho.

Maybe United should double their squad's salary to see if they can finish first that way.

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

Chelsea spent 50 % more on wages than the second highest spender in the PL that season (Man Utd). In modern time, I dont think we have ever seen such a huge difference in the PL. And I think people really underestimate how much that helped Mourinho.

And spent triple what United spent despite having an already more stacked squad. In the end, United won 2 out of the 4 leagues that Mourinho started and won the Champions League, while the latter failed to make a final - losing twice to Benítez who eliminated him twice in 3 years with a much weaker team and a fraction of the resources.

 

[Baneofthegame]

Maybe United should double their squad's salary to see if they can finish first that way.

Seems legit.

 

[Andycoleno9]

His decline in last 4,5 years is amazing. In all areas. One of his better sides was good game reading. But in even that he is not good anymore.
I can't remember when one manager managed to lose qualities this much and this fast.

 

[TwoSheds]

And spent triple what United spent despite having an already more stacked squad. In the end, United won 2 out of the 4 leagues that Mourinho started and won the Champions League, while the latter failed to make a final - losing twice to Benítez who eliminated him twice in 3 years with a much weaker team and a fraction of the resources.

Are we really trying to argue Mourinho wasn't as good as Benitez?

 

[largelyworried]

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

Are we really trying to argue Mourinho wasn't as good as Benitez?

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? That's the main point that you derived from the post?