Solskjaer's legacy and his future

[ManchesterManchester]

He isn’t directly involved in contracts and salaries/transfer fees. But he chooses who comes and who stays. There is absolutely no statement or report anywhere that he did not want those players renewed or signed (unless you’re calling him a liar). The players you mentioned (except for Martial this season) were not the problem. The disharmony in the locker room was not because of Ronaldo, Jones and De Gea. The disharmony is because of unfair favoritism towards the players I already mentioned, and his treatment of VDB and Lingard. And giving the captaincy to a player who shouldn’t be anywhere near it.

De Gea has been our best player this season. And if it wasn’t for Ronaldo we would be out of the CL. Ole would have been sacked way earlier if it wasn’t for them. “You have to be realistic about that.”

You keep evading this subject: He surely wasn’t forced to play Maguire, AWB, Shaw, Rashford, Fred etc… all the time when they were greatly underperforming under him this season, and had back-ups on the bench that couldn’t have been worse if they tried. This had nothing to do with contracts or the board.


Of course he wasn’t the only problem. The ownership and the board are a huge problem. But he certainly was a bigger part of the problem than you are trying to portray.

It’s taking time now, but it’s refreshing to see players’ form improving under Ragnick. Even Maguire is now better after he’s been dropped. Refreshing also to see Dalot, Telles and Elanga get a fair opportunity that they wouldn’t have gotten under Favorites FC.

No they weren’t. Maybe at the very beginning they were, but later the club asked him if he wanted some new coaches to support him and he said he was happy with what he’s got. He even said in his farewell interview that his coaches were World Class ==> unless you’re calling him a liar

But keep twisting and turning to try to absolve him from any responsibility and lay all the blame on others.

Wait so your blaming Ole for not playing DVB but also blaming Ole for the signings made? Surely if DVB was Ole signing then he would be playing him?

You say Ole wanted Lingard contract extended yet Ole is the same manager who didn’t play him for a whole season and loaned him out? Sorry but that doesn’t stack up, if I am twisting things in Oles favour then you are twisting things against him a bit too.

I didn’t say De Gea hasn’t been our best player, I rate him over Henderson. During that period he wasn’t performing though it felt awkward that he was on 400k and not playing. Same as Ronaldo, there is financial and reputation all pressure to play them, did Ole really identify Ronaldo or did the board present Ronaldo to Ole? To use your examples though, AWB and Maguire had to be played because they cost 130m combined, how can he leave them out?

I know you will respond to that by saying he chose them but I think this is a separate debate as to who chose the transfer targets. I am with the theory that Ole was a yes man who took what he got but it’s quite possible your right and I am under estimating the power he had.

The coaches were there before Ole was there so that’s impossible he chose them. As you quite rightly said though, it’s his fault for sticking with them, he clearly rated them highly.

I don’t absolve Ole of blame, he deserved to be sacked after the Europa league final. I am just saying he’s not as bad as you make out and certainly not responsible for the mess we are in now. Agree it’s good to see players improve and develop under Ralf. One of my biggest disappoints from Ole was he said he was all about youth but he didn’t give any real chances to any young players.

If he was forced to play De Gea, why did he leave him on the bench for months last season?

As for the second point, Solskjaer clearly wasn't the only problem. But, the squad was never amazing - and the bad building of it is part of his failure.

I think De Gea contract demanded that he played games, it’s lucky for us that he has come good again.

Yeah I do agree mate, we have a terrible squad for what we have spent. I am just very dubious as to how much of these transfers were Ole decision (DVB, Amad, Ronaldo etc). Even Maguire was being chased before Ole came in

 

[Sky1981]

Year 1 : he should be made DoF. Long term planning. His purchase is astute. His strongest point

Year 3 : it wasnt his purchase

 

[Amir]

I think De Gea contract demanded that he played games, it’s lucky for us that he has come good again.

There's absolutely no evidence to that. And again, he was on the bench for months last season, and only started this season as the starting goalkeeper because Henderson contracted Covid.

Yeah I do agree mate, we have a terrible squad for what we have spent. I am just very dubious as to how much of these transfers were Ole decision (DVB, Amad, Ronaldo etc). Even Maguire was being chased before Ole came in

Again, there's absolutely no evidence to that. The only real evidence we have is what Solskjaer himself said. Which is that no one was coming or going unless he said so.

The coaches were there before Ole was there so that’s impossible he chose them. As you quite rightly said though, it’s his fault for sticking with them, he clearly rated them highly.

He didn't bring them, but he could have replaced them. He didn't, so yes, they were his choice.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Just thinking back to all the pro-Ole posts. So many saying “you just don’t see it, if you can’t see the progress, I don’t know what’s wrong with you”. I started to really believe that I just didn’t know enough about tactics or how football should look. Maybe I really couldn’t see it…. There are a lot of things I haven’t seen in the past, so it was always possible.

And here we are, three years later with hundreds of millions wasted, a lazy, arrogant squad getting paid far more than they are worth, no midfield, aging attackers and a recall for Phil Jones, Dalot and Telles.

Horrible planning, terrible coaching and in 5 months time, the squad will be way worse than the one he inherited.

Great player, nice person, but an absolutely awful manager who has caused a crazy amount of damage in his stint here.

Spot on. Thats what you get when you hand over the keys and budget of a club of our size to a manager that shouldn’t be any where near even bottom of the league teams.

 

[Ralph1386]

Wait so your blaming Ole for not playing DVB but also blaming Ole for the signings made? Surely if DVB was Ole signing then he would be playing him?

I’m blaming Ole for blocking VDB’s loan move and telling him he was going to get game time when he clearly wasn’t in his plans this year. Same situation with Henderson and Lingard this year. He could easily have loaned them out. Instead, they were sold false promises by Ole and this created the disharmony in the locker room that you keep mentioning.

 

[Ralph1386]

Year 1 : he should be made DoF. Long term planning. His purchase is astute. His strongest point

Year 3 : it wasnt his purchase

Exactly

 

[Max_United]

Year 1 : he should be made DoF. Long term planning. His purchase is astute. His strongest point

Year 3 : it wasnt his purchase

Haha spot on. I never had any problems with people saying "let's not put all the blame on Ole for transfers", since it was a consensus decision (although i suspect that Ole - due to his character and tendency to avoid conflicts - did not use his veto power as much, which led to him eventually holding a grudge about not signing a midfielder - likely a self-inflicted problem due to not blocking other transfers).

But for years the focal point of pro-Ole arguments was that "his transfers are good" and he "built a great squad for the next manager". Now that over time it is transpiring that most of the purchases under him were either overpaid or not good enough or past-it, and the squad is bloated, unbalanced and composed of players that do not fit together/do not fit any particular style - suddenly "all of the purchases were foisted on him by the board". At the same time he is somehow still getting full credit for "clearing the deadwood" (so apparently Ole somehow still personally lead negotiations to shift the likes of Alexis to Inter I guess), of which he actually left as much if not more than Jose left

 

[Cloud7]

Year 1 : he should be made DoF. Long term planning. His purchase is astute. His strongest point

Year 3 : it wasnt his purchase

You couldn’t make it up could you

 

[Skills]

Year 1 : he should be made DoF. Long term planning. His purchase is astute. His strongest point

Year 3 : it wasnt his purchase

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/how-long-until-oles-signings-also-join-the-deadwood-list.451638/

 

[ManchesterManchester]

I’m blaming Ole for blocking VDB’s loan move and telling him he was going to get game time when he clearly wasn’t in his plans this year. Same situation with Henderson and Lingard this year. He could easily have loaned them out. Instead, they were sold false promises by Ole and this created the disharmony in the locker room that you keep mentioning.

I am pleased I have atleast made you admit that Ole was not in charge of transfers. I think this is the closest I will get you to come to admit he didn’t identify and sign DVB, thanks.

Regarding Henderson, you are just guessing, there is no evidence Henderson and De Gea were told that Henderson would be number one, in fact, I would say that’s nonsense to be honest.

As for Lingard, now you are really clutching to blame things on Ole. That is a weird thing to expect Ole to do. Who would ever agree to loan a player to a rival with one year left on his contract. If he did block him then good! That is clearly the clubs or Lingard fault for any permanent transfer falling through.

 

[HailtotheKing]

Ole clearly signed a pact with the devil, the amount of luck he had. Hard to judge him after that. The only thing he wasn’t lucky about was FA Cup draws. Great player, awful manager that way exceeded his abilities in getting us to 2nd and the decisions made during his reign have left us where we are today.

 

[Ixion]

I think it is difficult to really blame Ole as he should never have been made permanent in the first place, after that he tried his best and clung on as long as he could. There are questionable transfers, regression in our play, too much favouritism etc but he shoudn't have been the manger, the blame ultimately goes further up. If I have a co-worker bad at their job and our boss lets them get away with it that's on the boss. I don't think he really leaves a legacy as this squad is going to get ripped to shreds and there were no trophies to celebrate, it is just a period where we started miles behind City and ended it miles behind them.

 

[ManchesterManchester]

There's absolutely no evidence to that. And again, he was on the bench for months last season, and only started this season as the starting goalkeeper because Henderson contracted Covid.

Again, there's absolutely no evidence to that. The only real evidence we have is what Solskjaer himself said. Which is that no one was coming or going unless he said so.

He didn't bring them, but he could have replaced them. He didn't, so yes, they were his choice.

Cmon I don’t need evidence to suggest someone on 400k a week should be playing or it will cause issues amongst the players involved and for future negotiations.

Your second point is just wrong, you realise there is a panel that decides the transfers? The idea that Ole spent the 440m on his own is laughable. Can you imagine Ole scouting Amad and Dan James?

Obviously I agree with your point that Ole had involvement in the final decision on incomings and our comings but let’s be realistic, the club identify the targets not Ole. He is told which profile of player to sign (young or marketable like Ronaldo). He was a huge yes man, again I do agree that he does need to take blame for that.

Regarding replacing the coaching staff, I fully agree he should have replaced them and thats part of what cost him his job. However that doesn’t excuse the club of keep forcing coaches on managers (Giggs on LVG, McKenna on Mourinho, Carrick and Fletcher on Ole).

 

[Ralph1386]

I am pleased I have atleast made you admit that Ole was not in charge of transfers. I think this is the closest I will get you to come to admit he didn’t identify and sign DVB, thanks.

So me saying he blocked VDB’s loan, means I’m admitting he’s not in charge of transfers. Why would he block his loan move if he wasn’t involved with transfers.

Ole chose to get VDB signed, thinking he would be a Bruno back-up. And, just like Sancho, had no idea how to use him.

I already told you he isn’t directly involved in contracts and salaries/transfer fees, but he got a big say in who comes and who stays.

No need to make up things I didn’t say.

Regarding Henderson, you are just guessing, there is no evidence Henderson and De Gea were told that Henderson would be number one, in fact, I would say that’s nonsense to be honest.

I did not say Henderson was told he was number one. I said he was promised game time which was reported numerous times. Again, no need to make up things I did not say.

As for Lingard, now you are really clutching to blame things on Ole. That is a weird thing to expect Ole to do. Who would ever agree to loan a player to a rival with one year left on his contract. If he did block him then good!

I’m not clutching at anything. We can write a book about Ole’s shortcomings.

First, there would have been no shortage of teams interested in Lingard if Ole really wanted to loan him out. Second, West Ham were not supposed to be our rivals at the beginning of the season. We were supposed to fight for the title with the signings we made. Even Ole himself told Sky Sports at the beginning that he was going to be judged on the trophies he won (unless you’re calling him a liar). So West Ham were not supposed to be our direct competition by his standards at the beginning of the season .

That is clearly the clubs or Lingard fault for any permanent transfer falling through.

It’s everybody’s fault but his

 

[lawliet354]

Year 1 : he should be made DoF. Long term planning. His purchase is astute. His strongest point

Year 3 : it wasnt his purchase

Ouch

 

[Amir]

Cmon I don’t need evidence to suggest someone on 400k a week should be playing or it will cause issues amongst the players involved and for future negotiations.

You didn't just suggest that. You claimed:

I think De Gea contract demanded that he played games.

Anyway, if someone is not doing well enough, and we have someone who can do a better job than him, then the better player should play. If the manager can't handlethat because of how much money the off-form player is getting, he is weak and has no business being a manager. It's not the club's fault, it's the manager's fault.

Your second point is just wrong, you realise there is a panel that decides the transfers? The idea that Ole spent the 440m on his own is laughable. Can you imagine Ole scouting Amad and Dan James?

Obviously I agree with your point that Ole had involvement in the final decision on incomings and our comings but let’s be realistic, the club identify the targets not Ole. He is told which profile of player to sign (young or marketable like Ronaldo). He was a huge yes man, again I do agree that he does need to take blame for that.

No, I don't imagine Solskjaer scouting James anymore than I can imagine Fergie scouting Ole (which he didn't, Jim Ryan found him and he was signed pronto). So what does that mean? Different people were working on different aspects when it comes to finding, scouting and signing players. Nothing new, nothing unusual.

I know there is a panel. I'm also sure it wouldn't bring in a player if the manager thought he wasn't right for him. He might not have come up with all the players he bought, but there's nothing wrong there as long as he decided who is right for him and who is not.

Regarding replacing the coaching staff, I fully agree he should have replaced them and thats part of what cost him his job. However that doesn’t excuse the club of keep forcing coaches on managers (Giggs on LVG, McKenna on Mourinho, Carrick and Fletcher on Ole).

If he could have replaced them, then they weren't forced on him.

Football clubs like at times to involve their own people in the staff. Doesn't mean the manager can't bring in his own men. I know United wanted Giggs to be LVG's assistant. I see no evidence as to anyone being forced on Mourinho or Solskjaer.

 

[Ralph1386]

If he could have replaced them, then they weren't forced on him.

Spot on. Nobody can say they asked him if he wanted to replace them, then claim they were forced on him.

 

[ManchesterManchester]

You didn't just suggest that. You claimed:



Anyway, if someone is not doing well enough, and we have someone who can do a better job than him, then the better player should play. If the manager can't handlethat because of how much money the off-form player is getting, he is weak and has no business being a manager. It's not the club's fault, it's the manager's fault.



No, I don't imagine Solskjaer scouting James anymore than I can imagine Fergie scouting Ole (which he didn't, Jim Ryan found him and he was signed pronto). So what does that mean? Different people were working on different aspects when it comes to finding, scouting and signing players. Nothing new, nothing unusual.

I know there is a panel. I'm also sure it wouldn't bring in a player if the manager thought he wasn't right for him. He might not have come up with all the players he bought, but there's nothing wrong there as long as he decided who is right for him and who is not.



If he could have replaced them, then they weren't forced on him.

Football clubs like at times to involve their own people in the staff. Doesn't mean the manager can't bring in his own men. I know United wanted Giggs to be LVG's assistant. I see no evidence as to anyone being forced on Mourinho or Solskjaer.

I think you underestimate the constraints Ole was working under. He can’t throw De Gea in the bin, equally he couldn’t just throw someone like Rashford in the bin. Although the board don’t choose the starting 11, they would clearly give him instructions as to who is the prized assets etc. It’s old fashioned way of thinking that managers can do what they want. Nowadays players are worth 100’s millions and are important assets.

Big difference as the scouts reported to Fergie, our structure has completely changed since those days. The head scout now has an equal say as Ole in transfers, therefor should also take equal responsibility.

I do fully agree with you there that Ole should have brought in the best coaches to assist him

 

[AndySmith1990]

I think you underestimate the constraints Ole was working under. He can’t throw De Gea in the bin, equally he couldn’t just throw someone like Rashford in the bin. Although the board don’t choose the starting 11, they would clearly give him instructions as to who is the prized assets etc. It’s old fashioned way of thinking that managers can do what they want. Nowadays players are worth 100’s millions and are important assets.

Big difference as the scouts reported to Fergie, our structure has completely changed since those days. The head scout now has an equal say as Ole in transfers, therefor should also take equal responsibility.

I do fully agree with you there that Ole should have brought in the best coaches to assist him

Why would the best coaches want to work under a poor manager? At the end of the day a club as big as United can do far better than Solskjaer and shouldn't be trying to hire talented coaching staff to try and make up for the managers shortcomings, which is something I seen quite a few people suggest during the course of his tenure.

 

[Dunk the Lunk]

Why would the best coaches want to work under a poor manager? At the end of the day a club as big as United can do far better than Solskjaer and shouldn't be trying to hire talented coaching staff to try and make up for the managers shortcomings, which is something I seen quite a few people suggest during the course of his tenure.

Exactly! The idea that we should've brought in top talent staff to be crutches to Ole is utterly stupid. They should come here to work and learn under the manager, the manager shouldnt learn from his assistants!

People were so desperate to keep an awful manager in place they'd come up with one stupid idea after another.

Easily one of the worst "manager" this league has ever seen.

 

[Amir]

I think you underestimate the constraints Ole was working under. He can’t throw De Gea in the bin, equally he couldn’t just throw someone like Rashford in the bin. Although the board don’t choose the starting 11, they would clearly give him instructions as to who is the prized assets etc. It’s old fashioned way of thinking that managers can do what they want. Nowadays players are worth 100’s millions and are important assets.

Every manager in the world works under some constraints. And most of them would love to have the ones Solskjaer had, even though you're massively exaggerating. The way you are putting it, Solskjaer could do very little when it came to signing players or make decisions over the existing squad.

The reality is that when he thought it was the right call, Solskjaer benched De Gea for months. So yes, he could do it, and did it.

Big difference as the scouts reported to Fergie, our structure has completely changed since those days. The head scout now has an equal say as Ole in transfers, therefor should also take equal responsibility.

Fine, sack the head scout too as far as I am concerned. But if Solskjaer gave his agreement, then he is the main culprit. Partly because he - and not a scout - was the one who should have had a system in mind and know which new signings fitted well with it and each other.

 

[90 + 5min]

It is wierd that people still have a go at Solskjaer. He did good job until this season when things just went bad. We showed progress and suddenly players decided to play like they came out from pubs.

Put blame where it should be. On players. Their character. Their passion. Their desire. Solskjaer isn't blameless but majority of the things that went wrong are on players. Not Solskjaer. Not Woodward and directors. Not Glazers.

 

[VP89]

It is wierd that people still have a go at Solskjaer. He did good job until this season when things just went bad. We showed progress and suddenly players decided to play like they came out from pubs.

Put blame where it should be. On players. Their character. Their passion. Their desire. Solskjaer isn't blameless but majority of the things that went wrong are on players. Not Solskjaer. Not Woodward and directors. Not Glazers.

Ole did a shite job. He never bothered coaching and I think he was one of the luckiest managers around. Covid lockdown meant he never faced fan pressure, he still finished miles off 1st every time and won feck all. Prioritised wrong positions in transfers, spent wrong in the choices he did make and hoarded surplus talent with false promises.

Easily the worst manager we had in the history of the Premier League.

 

[90 + 5min]

Ole did a shite job. He never bothered coaching and I think he was one of the luckiest managers around. Covid lockdown meant he never faced fan pressure, he still finished miles off 1st every time and won feck all. Prioritised wrong positions in transfers, spent wrong in the choices he did make and hoarded surplus talent with false promises.

Easily the worst manager we had in the history of the Premier League.

It is really incredible that people blame managers all the time. But never ever players. vanGaal not good enough. Mourinho not good enough. Solskjaer not good enough. And to believe rumours players aren't exactly pleased with Rangnick where some fans have already talked about not good enough. Nobody seems to be good enough for our players.

And no, he wasn't worst manager. Solskjaer did good job. Yes, he didn't won titles but we were top 3 every (whole) year with him. Countless semifinals and finals.

 

[VP89]

It is really incredible that people blame managers all the time. But never ever players. vanGaal not good enough. Mourinho not good enough. Solskjaer not good enough. And to believe rumours players aren't exactly pleased with Rangnick where some fans have already talked about not good enough. Nobody seems to be good enough for our players.

And no, he wasn't worst manager. Solskjaer did good job. Yes, he didn't won titles but we were top 3 every (whole) year with him. Countless semifinals and finals.

Eh? Lets be clear this topic is on Ole. Whether the others failed too is another matter but at the bare minimum they were winners. They got silverware on the board and moved on.

Ole did feck all and reduced our player mentality in the process.

 

[90 + 5min]

Eh? Lets be clear this topic is on Ole. Whether the others failed too is another matter but at the bare minimum they were winners. They got silverware on the board and moved on.

Ole did feck all and reduced our player mentality in the process.

Topic is on Solskjaer but if you don't include history before him and shortly after him, you are not going to be thruthful. You can blame him and other manager every single day but we know where blame lies. Problem is you can't sack every player. But you can sack one manager and hope for short success until fans start all over again putting blame on managers.

 

[VP89]

Topic is on Solskjaer but if you don't include history before him and shortly after him, you are not going to be thruthful. You can blame him and other manager every single day but we know where blame lies. Problem is you can't sack every player. But you can sack one manager and hope for short success until fans start all over again putting blame on managers.

Im not taking blame from the players. They shoulder burden but player mentality weakened and player power stengthened in Oles time. He won nothing and was all vibes and hi5s with no coaching. For this reason is the biggest failure. At the very least previous managers were able to instil some disciplines and win a cup in a fair bit less time.

Only Moyes you can say was as bad but he had half a season. Ole did a number on the squad for 3 years with feck all to show for it.

 

[POF]

Im not taking blame from the players. They shoulder burden but player mentality weakened and player power stengthened in Oles time.

Are you serious? Do you remember what it was like when Jose left.

Pogba basically downed tools when the club signed Sanchez on more money than him.

Jose "messed with the wrong baller" after all.

 

[HailtotheKing]

Ole did a shite job. He never bothered coaching and I think he was one of the luckiest managers around. Covid lockdown meant he never faced fan pressure, he still finished miles off 1st every time and won feck all. Prioritised wrong positions in transfers, spent wrong in the choices he did make and hoarded surplus talent with false promises.

Easily the worst manager we had in the history of the Premier League.

He was the LUCKIEST manager around, no question about it. As I mentioned before, the only place he didn't get lucky was the FA Cup fixtures. But we've been unlucky on those for years. Funny how we would have got Tottenham had we gone through, whereas yet again City and Chelsea get absolute cherries. Unbelievable.

Back to Ole though.It was all a dream we just hoped would work. There was never any real reason why it would. And we progressed with it far too long. Thought maybe he was our Zidane. But he was a false prophet. And the idea of relying on individual brilliance is a stupid one. What if those players go through a run of bad form? What if they get injured? Nothing to fall back on and that was his downfall. Still pissed at how he treated Donny and his utter favoritism. If players play badly and don't lose their first team position, where is the motivation—either for the guys playing badly or the ones pushing to get in? Stupid.It was as though he were reading the book of Fergie but not understanding it. Loyalty to players in front of the media, sure. But it's not as though we're dealing with Rooney. The one player that needed to play shite a few times to work himself back into form. This was Fred and McTominay, yet Donny didn't even get a sniff. And don't get me started on Maguire. Then there were the contract extensions for Jones and Mata. 4 years for Jones when he'd barely played a second. Just incredible.

Ole gave us Paris and a few other nice memories but he also gave us Seville, one of the worst managerial performances I have ever witnessed.
Great player, good interim but never should have gotten his extension.

 

[Amarsdd]

feckin hell! some people just can't let go of their hatred

 

[VP89]

Are you serious? Do you remember what it was like when Jose left.

Pogba basically downed tools when the club signed Sanchez on more money than him.

Jose "messed with the wrong baller" after all.

I remember fully. Oles worst was far worse than Joses and he won feck all too. In a longer time.

Terrible manager. Even his best season he couldn't reach Joses total points in a single season, despite spending a bucket load on the defence and being given Bruno Fernandes. At least Jose delivered a cup as well.

 

[LDUred]

He wasn't nearly as good as Mourinho who won several trophies, but he was better than Moyes, who was got rid off quickly. Van Gaal did slightly better than him overall and then you have to add on top of that Van Gaal's FA Cup win, so LVG ends up having had a comfortably better reign.

So of the post Fergie managers, he did better than Moyes who never had any backing, while having longer in the job than two managers who did at least bring in some silverware.

The most you could say is that he was average, anything else just seems excessive. What did he actually achieve?

 

[Amir]

It is really incredible that people blame managers all the time. But never ever players. vanGaal not good enough. Mourinho not good enough. Solskjaer not good enough. And to believe rumours players aren't exactly pleased with Rangnick where some fans have already talked about not good enough. Nobody seems to be good enough for our players.

When one set of players fails, you can look at the players. But we've had so many since 2013, with different managers assembling different squads. Therefore, it's absolutely not "Nobody seems to be good enough for our players", as we're talking about dozens of them coming and going.

Morelike, nobody seems to be able to assemble a squad good enough and work with it properly.

 

[POF]

I remember fully. Oles worst was far worse than Joses and he won feck all too. In a longer time.

Terrible manager. Even his best season he couldn't reach Joses total points in a single season, despite spending a bucket load on the defence and being given Bruno Fernandes. At least Jose delivered a cup as well.

So he gets the criticism for signing the defenders but no praise for signing Bruno? What was the difference?

I'm sure you've got some decent opinions on the subject but it's that sort of one sided extreme viewpoint that completely undermines anything you say.

What about the fact that he was "given" Bruno 6 months after he should have been which completely wrote off a season? That was Ole's fault too presumably?

 

[Sky1981]

He wasn't nearly as good as Mourinho who won several trophies, but he was better than Moyes, who was got rid off quickly. Van Gaal did slightly better than him overall and then you have to add on top of that Van Gaal's FA Cup win, so LVG ends up having had a comfortably better reign.

So of the post Fergie managers, he did better than Moyes who never had any backing, while having longer in the job than two managers who did at least bring in some silverware.

The most you could say is that he was average, anything else just seems excessive. What did he actually achieve?

He wasn't much better than moyes. Moyes got dealt a shit hand with the old guards looking down on him, lack of support and lack of guts to buy big, managing straight after fergie with the whole squad going against him

Granted half of it was his own doing but ole is given the world at his feet, free reign, 110% support and in the end.. he fecked it all up.

 

[Lightbringer]

Leave Ole alone and watch his daughter become a star of the womens team and carry on his legacy! The womens team is the only positive at Manchester United atm. The girls are playing with the passion and pride you would expect from any player wearing the United badge, its so refreshing.

 

[jem]

Eh? Lets be clear this topic is on Ole. Whether the others failed too is another matter but at the bare minimum they were winners. They got silverware on the board and moved on.

Ole did feck all and reduced our player mentality in the process.

I agree. All this entitled nonsense emanating from the squad - I feel a lot of it has to do with Ole's indulging them. It'll take a long time to sort this out.

 

[wolvored]

It is really incredible that people blame managers all the time. But never ever players. vanGaal not good enough. Mourinho not good enough. Solskjaer not good enough. And to believe rumours players aren't exactly pleased with Rangnick where some fans have already talked about not good enough. Nobody seems to be good enough for our players.

And no, he wasn't worst manager. Solskjaer did good job. Yes, he didn't won titles but we were top 3 every (whole) year with him. Countless semifinals and finals.

Countless finals? Moyes was the worst, then Ole. 440 mill spent to win feck all

 

[Jackal981]

Now your the one ignoring my points. There were loads of players on terrible contracts before Ole got there. Even when he was here there’s no way he had involvement in the Martial, De Gea, Ronaldo and Phil Jones contracts. He said he isn’t involved in contracts unless your calling him a liar

Fergie always wanted to be the one earning the most money for good reason, as he was the boss. It creates squad disharmony when you have all these disproportionately issued contracts.

He was definitely forced to play De Gea and Ronaldo. How do you leave out players who earn half a million a week? You have to be realistic about that.

If it’s true that Ole was the only problem then now Ole is sacked, the next manager should be easily winning with our amazing squad that Ole had underperforming? But that hasn’t happened because the problems are deep rooted way beyond Ole being not good enough coach.

This isn’t the SAF days where manager is responsible for everything. Scouting, negotiations, coaches are all vital pets of success which are managed by the club. I include coaching in there as coaches were forced on Ole.

Coaches forced on Ole my arse. He was given a chance to change all his coaching staffs according to reports before he was sacked and he declined to do so. You can do a bit of searching to find this info. He decided to hire and stick with his mates because no one will call out his incompetence. We are still in a rut partly because of the shite oversized squad he left his successor and the lack of coaching for the last 3 years. Forced to play De Gea ? He dropped him for Henderson ffs.

 

[Bebestation]

Tried his best and helped us.

How people can go towards looking down on him after all he has done as a legend of this club is severely embarrassing.