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Wait so your blaming Ole for not playing DVB but also blaming Ole for the signings made? Surely if DVB was Ole signing then he would be playing him?He isn’t directly involved in contracts and salaries/transfer fees. But he chooses who comes and who stays. There is absolutely no statement or report anywhere that he did not want those players renewed or signed (unless you’re calling him a liar). The players you mentioned (except for Martial this season) were not the problem. The disharmony in the locker room was not because of Ronaldo, Jones and De Gea. The disharmony is because of unfair favoritism towards the players I already mentioned, and his treatment of VDB and Lingard. And giving the captaincy to a player who shouldn’t be anywhere near it.
De Gea has been our best player this season. And if it wasn’t for Ronaldo we would be out of the CL. Ole would have been sacked way earlier if it wasn’t for them. “You have to be realistic about that.”
You keep evading this subject: He surely wasn’t forced to play Maguire, AWB, Shaw, Rashford, Fred etc… all the time when they were greatly underperforming under him this season, and had back-ups on the bench that couldn’t have been worse if they tried. This had nothing to do with contracts or the board.
Of course he wasn’t the only problem. The ownership and the board are a huge problem. But he certainly was a bigger part of the problem than you are trying to portray.
It’s taking time now, but it’s refreshing to see players’ form improving under Ragnick. Even Maguire is now better after he’s been dropped. Refreshing also to see Dalot, Telles and Elanga get a fair opportunity that they wouldn’t have gotten under Favorites FC.
No they weren’t. Maybe at the very beginning they were, but later the club asked him if he wanted some new coaches to support him and he said he was happy with what he’s got. He even said in his farewell interview that his coaches were World Class ==> unless you’re calling him a liar
But keep twisting and turning to try to absolve him from any responsibility and lay all the blame on others.
You say Ole wanted Lingard contract extended yet Ole is the same manager who didn’t play him for a whole season and loaned him out? Sorry but that doesn’t stack up, if I am twisting things in Oles favour then you are twisting things against him a bit too.
I didn’t say De Gea hasn’t been our best player, I rate him over Henderson. During that period he wasn’t performing though it felt awkward that he was on 400k and not playing. Same as Ronaldo, there is financial and reputation all pressure to play them, did Ole really identify Ronaldo or did the board present Ronaldo to Ole? To use your examples though, AWB and Maguire had to be played because they cost 130m combined, how can he leave them out?
I know you will respond to that by saying he chose them but I think this is a separate debate as to who chose the transfer targets. I am with the theory that Ole was a yes man who took what he got but it’s quite possible your right and I am under estimating the power he had.
The coaches were there before Ole was there so that’s impossible he chose them. As you quite rightly said though, it’s his fault for sticking with them, he clearly rated them highly.
I don’t absolve Ole of blame, he deserved to be sacked after the Europa league final. I am just saying he’s not as bad as you make out and certainly not responsible for the mess we are in now. Agree it’s good to see players improve and develop under Ralf. One of my biggest disappoints from Ole was he said he was all about youth but he didn’t give any real chances to any young players.
I think De Gea contract demanded that he played games, it’s lucky for us that he has come good again.If he was forced to play De Gea, why did he leave him on the bench for months last season?
As for the second point, Solskjaer clearly wasn't the only problem. But, the squad was never amazing - and the bad building of it is part of his failure.
Yeah I do agree mate, we have a terrible squad for what we have spent. I am just very dubious as to how much of these transfers were Ole decision (DVB, Amad, Ronaldo etc). Even Maguire was being chased before Ole came in