BlackShark_80
Full Member
- Joined
- Nov 3, 2016
- Messages
- 1,169
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Mostly countries act in their own interests really. Also when they are fighting invaders like in Kuwait. Also unlike in WW1, western nations don't consider their own soldiers cannonfodder anymore. They don't tolerate many casualties of their own.Its what always happens. The world abandons the countries under attack out of fear of the aggressor doing something more. Happened in the early 90s with the break up of Yugoslavia. Happening now. Shameful.
They will attack them indirectly but there is no way NATO or anybody can get boots on the ground in Ukraine because that most likely would start WW3The world cannot just sit back and watch this happen. People need to move away from ' ah its not near us, it's not our concern' this is very real
Some people find this hard to grasp.They will attack them indirectly but there is no way NATO or anybody can get boots on the ground in Ukraine because that most likely would start WW3
That's true. Saudi Arabia don't lack ammunition or funds coming from superpowers.The world isn't sitting back in regards to Yemen, most of the 'superpowers' are supplying it.
So now it's wait and see, sacrifice Ukraine and hope Putin decides to stop at Ukraine and doesn't want more? Painfully similar to how WW2 happened. Its important to recognize any evil dictator and stop him early.They will attack them indirectly but there is no way NATO or anybody can get boots on the ground in Ukraine because that most likely would start WW3
As sad as it is we're lucky NATO is as calm and level headed as it is. WW3 and nuclear weapons are looming.The world cannot just sit back and watch this happen. People need to move away from ' ah its not near us, it's not our concern' this is very real
Putin's got complete impunity knowing that WW3 is the last thing NATO want so Biden's got no cards to play at all.They will attack them indirectly but there is no way NATO or anybody can get boots on the ground in Ukraine because that most likely would start WW3
Jesus that sounded scary as feck.
I've not read her books, only her articles. And I'd disagree with your first sentence; if you advocate overly aggressive actions that will likely spark war then you're a warmonger (to a lesser extent). And she's not talking about Ukraine taking measures to protect itself; this is about the US and NATO not being forceful enough in her opinion.Taking a more confrontational stance doesn't mean you are a warmonger.
Edit: Actually, I'll be more forceful on that. I don't think an honest reflection of Applebaum's articles and books over the years have ever been warmongering, unless you consider even a willingness to militarily defend an independent Ukraine to be warmongering.
But do NATO even want to have Ukraine among its members? Isn't one of the stipulations for NATO membership that a country must not have any territorial disputes which, considering Russia annexed Crimea, is up for debate, so are they even eligible? And are the allied nations even wiling to set up a defence for Ukraine? Is it possible that this Russian invasion provoked by an idea (Ukraine joining NATO) that isn't likely to ever happen to begin with?Ukraine want to join NATO (a mutual defence organization created primarily to counter Russian aggression). So offended is Putin by the idea that any country needs to join an alliance to prevent them from being invaded by Russia that Putin has ordered a full scale invasion of Ukraine to stop them joining NATO.
That'll show the world that Russia isn't an aggressive state and there is no need for NATO to exist/expand.
If he attacks a Nato member then it's all out war.So now it's wait and see, sacrifice Ukraine and hope Putin decides to stop at Ukraine and doesn't want more? Painfully similar to how WW2 happened. Its important to recognize any evil dictator and stop him early.
Yes. Yes they do.But do NATO even want to have Ukraine among its members? Isn't one of the stipulations for NATO membership that a country must not have any territorial disputes which, considering Russia annexed Crimea, is up for debate, so are they even eligible? And are the allied nations even wiling to set up a defence for Ukraine? Is it possible that this Russian invasion provoked by an idea (Ukraine joining NATO) that isn't likely to ever happen to begin with?
Yep - BBC (for example) have to verify everything so their images are hours behind. Open source intelligence accounts on Twitter so far seem very reliable and are just showing everythingThings are moving fast. We're basically witnessing a live invasion and reports have to be verified probably.
Yes basically - Putin can basically do what he wants right now unless he invades a NATO country (which hopefully he wont)So now it's wait and see, sacrifice Ukraine and hope Putin decides to stop at Ukraine and doesn't want more? Painfully similar to how WW2 happened. Its important to recognize any evil dictator and stop him early.
Greece is 80% Balkans geographically, the others mostly islands. Slovenia has a part on Balkans.Or Greece for that matter, but we'll pull @Revan up on his geography another time
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Guess I was rightWhatever you say, bud.
And then Russia will respond with sanctions on exportation of energy supplies, which will cripple European nations.From reddit:
1 - Expel them from SWIFT.
2 - Ban all Russian airlines from European and Asian airspace.
3 - Ban all Russian shipping from docking.
4 - Confiscate any and all Russian property in Europe, especally the Oligarchs.
Can't fight them militarily but have to cripple them so that they don't do it again in a few years. Especially the Oligarchs, they've been living it large by virtue of being close to Putin for 2 decades now.
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
It all comes from choosing the WW2 (or The Great Patriotic War) as the nation-creating myth. Accusing any opposing side of being nazis/fascists comes naturally in that case.de-Nazification.
I really didn't expect that level of lunacy.
Yup he's mad but was it Zelensky or his predecessor who attended a far right concert? I have a vague memory of this.de-Nazification.
I really didn't expect that level of lunacy.
How can that be true when they are all buying oil and gas off them?Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date