hellhunter
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Today has been pretty wild in here with the whataboutism and bothsideing
You honestly think GHWB & the coalition invaded Iraq under false pretenses, etc.?What bullshit exactly? Why don't you give at least some arguments to prove as to why these two scumbags invaded Iraq let's see
Very good read. The Russian and Belorussian peoples are victims of their own authoritarian / dictatorial regimes.
I wasn't being pedantic, I was adding to your point. If I wanted to be pedantic I'd just call you a stupid bird and tell you to go shit on a roof.
Edit: Also accuracy is important when explaining to him why the World War would be bad enough to avoid at all costs.
Now go home and get your shinebox.
You haven't yet twigged that Russian and Chinese totalitarian dictatorship is bad? Oh dear. Do not pass Go, do not collect £200.I think Russia/China are trying to re-shape how the world is currently being run, for the good or the bad, yet to be seen, but you can't deny that the whole planet has been a slave to the petro-dollar that started since WW2 finished
Well, you tell me, scum bush junior invaded iraq after afghanistan for what reason? If it was the nuclear weapons as they claimed, well they found shit, they ended up tearing apart a whole country then established their companies in ErbilYou honestly think GHWB & the coalition invaded Iraq under false pretenses, etc.?
I am talking about the economical aspect, both are giants on that front but both are under the influence of the petro-dollar and they believe their coalition can change that, which is yet to be seen, that's what I meantYou haven't yet twigged that Russian and Chinese totalitarian dictatorship is bad? Oh dear. Do not pass Go, do not collect £200.
Depressing.
They are.Very good read. The Russian and Belorussian peoples are victims of their own authoritarian / dictatorial regimes.
Russia's economy is half the size of France's, and that's before the war.I am talking about the economical aspect, both are giants on that front but both are under the influence of the petro-dollar and they believe their coalition can change that, which is yet to be seen, that's what I meant
We could also conclude from this that there is a much greater chance of democratic states emerging than in North Korea.They are.
But they are also not North Koreans. They have had largely free Internet and possibility of international travel. Many do protest and don’t support their dictators. Many are indifferent though and bury their head in the sand, and many also support. The path to the Holocaust was paved with indifference.
It's already been explained to you several times: NATO hasn't entered into Ukraine because of the risk of a nuclear WWIIIWell then why didnt they mobilize Nato towards Ukraine? Who takes the final decision in the end? It's evident no move can be made unless washington gives the green light
Wellllllllllllll.....a bit more than half us aren't![]()
What a strange post. Has anyone on here implied that they were?European countries were never the puppets of the British even at the height of the Empire.
What were the false pretences that senior attacked Iraq?Both attacked Iraq under a false narrative and killed together more than 1 million people, I suggest you read some history books, should be good for you
Because NATO are a defensive alliance? And Ukraine are not a member? So many people seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what NATO actually is. You can argue about the morality but the reality of the situation is that NATO are not a world or European police force and exists to protect its members if they are attacked (and not if they initiate the attack even).Well then why didnt they mobilize Nato towards Ukraine? Who takes the final decision in the end? It's evident no move can be made unless washington gives the green light
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France economy isn't small though, I don't see your point, you don't consider Russia as one of top countries on that front?Russia's economy is half the size of France's, and that's before the war.
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What a strange post. Has anyone on here implied that they were?
Here you go.The ultimate solution is for european countries that are currently part of NATO to completely draw out from NATO and form their own, being puppets in the hands of the americans/british is clearly showing, if the US doesnt give the green light to engage the russian army in military combat, the current situation will not change.
Indeed, it's smaller than Italy's. And if things carry on for much longer, Russia's economy will end up being smaller than Australia's.Russia's economy is half the size of France's, and that's before the war.
Not at allFrance economy isn't small though, I don't see your point, you don't consider Russia as one of top countries on that front?
We agree on Iraq with W, I was asking about the 1991 invasion.Well, you tell me, scum bush junior invaded iraq after afghanistan for what reason? If it was the nuclear weapons as they claimed, well they found shit, they ended up tearing apart a whole country then established their companies in Erbil
You said a giant, and most people would consider France a large economy with the US and China being giants. Russia has an economy half the size of France's and smaller than Italy's. That's not giant by any measure.France economy isn't small though, I don't see your point, you don't consider Russia as one of top countries on that front?
This.You haven't yet twigged that Russian and Chinese totalitarian dictatorship is bad? Oh dear. Do not pass Go, do not collect £200.
Apologies. I actually read that as one of Fredo's posts and wondered why he was refuting something they themselves had said a few seconds earlier!Here you go.
No. Its only special military operations.Okay then you are saying it would be okay for Putin to drop some of his 6500 nuclear warheads at the moment? Why didnt he do it then since it's also a military conflict now?
Senior decided to intervene during the arab war between Iraq and Kuwait/KSA (don't know what was in it for him except to keep hold of the petrol in Saudi and Kuwait) as this was the bread and butter for the USA in the arab world back then (still to this day)What a strange post. Has anyone on here implied that they were?
What were the false pretences that senior attacked Iraq?
Because NATO are a defensive alliance? And Ukraine are not a member? So many people seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what NATO actually is. You can argue about the morality but the reality of the situation is that NATO are not a world or European police force and exists to protect its members if they are attacked (and not if they initiate the attack even).
Of course, there would be nothing stopping France/Germany/Poland/ Italy/Spain mobilising if they wanted to?
You're also missing the rather important point that nobody anywhere has forced anyone to join NATO?
Russia wasn't even a top 10 economy in the world before any of this and will be lucky to be top 30 in a few months. They are light years from being considered anything resembling an economic power.I am talking about the economical aspect, both are giants on that front but both are under the influence of the petro-dollar and they believe their coalition can change that, which is yet to be seen, that's what I meant
its weird cuz they started their own thread to have that discussion without any complaints and yet have filtered themselves back in hereToday has been pretty wild in here with the whataboutism and bothsideing
You do realize that it wasn’t Senior unilaterally going into Iraq, right? What else were we doing in the ME to such a degree in the 80s, the ‘bread & butter?’Senior decided to intervene during the arab war between Iraq and Kuwait/KSA (don't know what was in it for him except to keep hold of the petrol in Saudi and Kuwait) as this was the bread and butter for the USA in the arab world back then (still to this day)
For NATO, defensive alliance that went all the way to Lybia to attack Gaddhafi and kill him? that shelled Yugoslavia before? Doesn't seem defensive to me, if anything it was driven by specific agendas that found it easy to attack when they see fit until now when they are facing a madman with 6500 nuclear warheads at his disposal..
I guess they weren't getting enough attention in there.its weird cuz they started their own thread to have that discussion without any complaints and yet have filtered themselves back in here
Oh, a cease fire, I'm sure nobody tried that, what a great idea!But what is the threat here? You expect Putin to be able to invade all of europe? And for what exactly? There were a lot of business operations and common benefits between russia and european countries, take germany/russia for example, you are making it seem as if Russia is in some other continent, the russians are european as much as any other european country and what the european countries should do, if they care about the future of europe, is to engage the russians directly for cease fire instead of waiting to see what the usa/tells them what to do because they will be the one paying in the end...
Nato engaging russian military means all gloves are off, it means a swift defeat for Russia on the ground and a super high risk that Putin's only options are nuclear.Well then why didnt they mobilize Nato towards Ukraine? Who takes the final decision in the end? It's evident no move can be made unless washington gives the green light
Ensuring the petrol you discovered in the KSA remains fully within your control maybe? Or the fact that April Glaspie, your US ambassador back then informed Saddam that the USA has no opinion of what happens between Iraq/Kuwait? Only to back on that and go all war on Saddam?You do realize that it wasn’t Senior unilaterally going into Iraq, right? What else were we doing in the ME to such a degree in the 80s, the ‘bread & butter?’
Not a problem!Apologies. I actually read that as one of Fredo's posts and wondered why he was refuting something they themselves had said a few seconds earlier!
But you believe arming the ukrainian people to keep fighting will help solve the issue? This is adding fuel to the fire in my opinion and in the end it's the people who will pay the bill. Sanctions can cripple Russia yes, but it still doesn't prevent them from doing the worst and which is using nuclear...Oh, a cease fire, I'm sure nobody tried that, what a great idea!
Nato engaging russian military means all gloves are off, it means a swift defeat for Russia on the ground and a super high risk that Putin's only options are nuclear.
Seems a couple of posters here are really craving atomic bombing, that's pretty odd.
Less than half the size of California's economy and smaller than New York or Texas.Russia wasn't even a top 10 economy in the world before any of this and will be lucky to be top 30 in a few months. They are light years from being considered anything resembling an economic power.
I'm pretty sure german people are happy to know that they're still considered jew hating murderers.So the USA that dropped the Hiroshima bomb and the current USA are basically the same?
What a country did 70+ years ago (to a country that committed atrocities of their own) decides how we think about said country now? Even if most of the people in that country now weren’t even alive when the Hiroshima bomb was instructed/dropped (and was a last resort and aimed at net savings of lives)?
And Putins actions now are not so bad because of what another country did decades ago?
Ah feckI'm pretty sure german people are happy to know that they're still considered jew hating murderers.