Right on. Getting sick of his PR nonsense.
If we're 90s Liverpool right now, Rashford might just be our Robbie Fowler. Which means we're a good 30 years away from getting our Jürgen Klopp. But we might win a Mickey Mouse treble in a few years time.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
If we're 90s Liverpool right now, Rashford might just be our Robbie Fowler. Which means we're a good 30 years away from getting our Jürgen Klopp. But we might win a Mickey Mouse treble in a few years time.
Time will tell. Also don't think the club has an appetite to see him go. He's a local kid, obviously very philanthropic and when on form a great player. He's what you would consider the total package as far as branding/marketing. Rashford leaving would be bad optics for the club. As we know, this club is very image conscious of their brand perception.
The club would have better brand perception if it were to actually win trophies. Going the way we're going is harming it; the rest of Europe mock us the same way we used to mock Liverpool
A one-for-one swap with Frenkie de Jong, shall we?
Oh I agree. But the club cares more about making money than winning trophies.
That might explain his reaction but doesn't justify him trying to spin the narrative of the situation.
for me that's the most aggravating factor that he himself see's nothing wrong with his actions.
The letter itself only polarizes the fan base and if anything should have simply apologized and moved on. This situation is entirely of his own making. Of course I would have a completely different opinion had he actually been abused by the fan in question.
Cocks out if we can find a way to sell them the idea.
You're getting it wrong. I don't care about what he did the other night. What I don't like is why do we keep making excuses for a player who is clearly underperforming and is showing zero signs of improvement. He isn't good enough to even start for England. If it was for a smaller period, yes I will give it a pass but for 2 seasons now?
Yes, I don't care about "one of our own". I am a passionate fan of Manchester United and that's my primary concern. If "one of our own" who btw earns more than the other better performing players in the league doesn't bother to turn up in games, whose body language says that he doesn't really wanna be here then he gets zero support from me.
I'm surprised to see so many ignoring how bad he is this season and how good he is with his PR team. Poor every game, either starting or as a sub, has the audacity to leak it to the press about him "considering his future", leaves no opportunity behind in order to gain sympathy using social media. I would have ignored all that if I saw a little bit of effort on the pitch but nope. That is my complaint right there.
He has achieved feck all in his footballling career but the ego is bigger than CR7's. Sorry mate but if you wanna support a player like that then feel free to do it but in the process of doing so, keep the best interests of the club on priority as well.
250k-300k pw contract incoming. He has seen what Jadon is earning.
Hopefully they are thinking about it. They could easily replace de Jong with free signing like Kessie. But de Jong has always been dreamed to play for Barcelona, don't know if de Jong is even interested to leave Barcelona at the moment.
The club should consider his future and sell him or bench him.
Brilliant post, critique is king here.
They were overrated to begin with and cavani is just aging.
I'm not sure they would agree.
Surely demonstrating some basic comprehension was a prerequisite of earning your tagline
Having some basic understanding of life would
make sense too. Getting away from the pressure and resetting himself mentally is probably a very good thing for him to do right now.
Fans seem to have some sense of entitlement where they expect players to be robots and not humans.
There is nothing wrong with him taking a break at this time and if you believe there is, you need to give your head a wobble
Yeah the fact that the video didn’t document the fan’s life to date is suspicious
Where did I say it was wrong? Don’t think you got my point. My criticism was of his advisors who leaked that reason or if false the journo that made it up.
Why assume anyone leaked anything.
Timing you said also
Except he buggered off to Dubai during the last break for a ‘reset’ high did precisely feck all.
I wish his agent was really finding out which clubs could be his next and then brought in the offers.
The truth is, top club won't get near him for his terrible performance , the mid table clubs can't afford his spoiled appetite of money and fame. How crazy is that his PR team mentions Liverpool interests in him ? Even their worst forward Origi were performing better than Rashford and Origi did not receive satisfactory contract renewal.
If Rashford is really considering how he can get his career back on track, then I do can offer two cents:
The truth is, top club won't get near him for his terrible performance , the mid table clubs can't afford his spoiled appetite of money and fame. How crazy is that his PR team mentions Liverpool interests in him ? Even their worst forward Origi were performing better than Rashford and Origi did not receive satisfactory contract renewal.
If Rashford is really considering how he can get his career back on track, then I do can offer two cents:
- Dismiss the PR team and get away from all social medias. They are just toxic at this moment. You can re-join once you win back the title , then those words there at least won't make you depressed.
- Hire those personal trainers whoever Ronaldo hired at his 24, and follow exactly how Ronaldo did before. The way you trained is WRONG: make you bulky but lose stamina and acceleration.
- Speak up with your teammates and improve together. You all play as a team , they know what to expect from you and some time can lend you some tricks to improve. Besides, you no longer a youngster, if your teammates stink, then you are obligated to level up their standard as well.
He will end up at Palace. There is not a hope in hell that a top club would want him for the salary he is currently paid.
He will want to stay in England. He reacts badly to anything that isn’t pandering (throws strop if not played in his favourite position) and adulation so he’s going to want to remain in England.
‘Did you know during the first lockdown in the UK I campaigned for the temporary continuation of free meals for certain school age children?’ won’t really buy him two years of excuses in Spain or Italy like it has here.
Italian ultras won’t cut him any slack on the basis he’s a carrot in a TV commercial or launching a range of meals with Tom Kerridge. Barcelona fans won’t put up with his shit because they’re speculating he might have had argument with his gf that morning over who has the last slice of toast
Exactly. Teams want the best football players. They don't care about anything outside of that. I commend him for his work outside of football but if he wants a high salary then he needs to earn it on the pitch.
Dear Master Yodo “Rashford leaving the U.K. to clear his head”
Someone told or journalist made up. Rashford receive lot abuse this make abuse worse. Fragile state Rashford in.. bad action by advisor or journalist if lie
This, consider the fact that Liverpool are negotiating with Salah the BPIW right now and refusing to offer him what he is demanding and look at United being manipulated into offering Rashford an undeserved mega deal you then see where we are losing it - Liverpool are winning in the boardroom and their success there inevitably reflects onto the pitch.
Rashford should be the last person to complain, he should be looking at his performances and at ways to getting them right but instead he chosen to sulk his way to a new deal. He knows that the idiots at United will fall for his antics and give him that deal. It's like they haven't learned from the Sanchez fiasco, players in this kind of dip rarely come back to acceptable levels and rewarding them with multimillion pound deals is us just basically tying ourselves down to this problem for longer.
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Always loved Ian for his honesty.
feck the haters and no need to apologize to them.
I read yesterday about a woman in Ukraine who'd given birth to 6 kids and adopted another 6. She'd recently died on the frontline defending her Country.
Really puts the "struggles" of multi millionaire Marcus Rashford MBE into perspective.
Really puts the "struggles" of multi millionaire Marcus Rashford MBE into perspective.
Or a very simple answer. A journalist finds out Rashford (amongst others have been given 5 days off Rashford amongst others is planning on traveling).
Said Journalist writes a sensationalist headline
Silly fans react to sensationalist headline, as if this isn't something journalists do all the time.
I want him sold, can't stand the site of him any longer.
Shouldn't get even a minute of play in the utd shirt, even in the reserves!
Shouldn't get even a minute of play in the utd shirt, even in the reserves!
Barca would be the ideal place for him. He isn't physical enough for the rigours of the Premier league. He has enough pace, but needs more technique. He might even get loaned out to West Ham next year.
I have to say I don't mind Wright but the hypocrisy in his tweet is appalling when he demanded Xhaka issue an apology for poor form towards the Arsenal fans. Double standards at its finest.
What a garbage attitude. feck them fans?
Fans who are spending a good chunk of their well earned money to come see you on 200 p/w dye your hair and not cross a football? Yeah go piss off.
Im sure he is embarrassed at least. BUT.
Grown men playing "I am shook" at being given the finger by someone are outright, and flat out lying their asses off. No one are "shocked" about a middle finger, and especially not genuinely offended.
I can not stand these dramamerchants that go online for attention, and I especially cant stand people who spend their free time harassing someone for not playing football well.
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The future of every player should always be under consideration. If the club don't want to lose Marcus because of his overall status, which includes non footballing reasons, then give him a much lower wage and allow him to earn his place in the playing squad. But if a reasonable offer comes in for him, let him be.
Newcastle would be a perfect fit for him. He stays in England and would be the face of the club and be central to the Saudis sporting image as a reflection of their regime.
Newcastle would be a perfect fit for him. He stays in England and would be the face of the club and be central to the Saudis sporting image as a reflection of their regime.
What you want is one thing. But if fate has decide for you. If its already written in the stars. Dont go against it. Your fate and destiny is CF boy.
We dont always get what we want. When thing comes as less expected. Meant to happen. Yeah follow it.
Martial was injury during warm up. LVG decided or he had only really good option up front. LVG put and play Rashford as CF.
Rashford scoring both goals inside the box. And when its meant to happen that way. Martial injury and you got the chance as CF. The ball will come and find the way to you. And you will be at the right place and right time for the ball. He had that "right time at right place ability" Like United legend Ole champion league goal against Bayern. If it meant to happen. The ball will come to you.
But back to Rashford 2022. For i have always disagree with Ole and Ragnick picking and playing Rashford as Left and right winger. And throwing him around. Not specialize him as his starting career match as CF, be most of the inside the box. We can be best on all roles and postions. My philosophy and prefer have always been. Best peoples and players for specific roles and positions. If you want RW or LW. Go and get the best and natural Wingers/wide players.
And after Lukaku was leaving. United and Ole prefer experience, but CF in Ighalo, Cavani, Ronaldo and Martial who is lacking that killer instinct and straight shoot strikers. All those years. With not success. United could specialize and developt Rashford to a 100 % CF like Vardy and Lewandoski. Both had play as CF in theirs whole careers. Theirs get the chance to practise and specialize as CF. Then naturally it will rise your killer instict and sharpness infront of goals. Because practising you get during match days are crucial. More natural set up then training sessons.
Nothing to hide or to defend. His isolation and individual performances hasnt been good and consistent. But i can show it back to history. If the collective is poor and collapsing. Then the poor collective team playing will affect invidual performances too.
And it has been went back to Ole last two years. Before Bruno came and LVG period where All of Rooney, Falcao, Di Maria, Martial and Rashford were struggling. Clearly the biggest reasons of United attacking struggling were due to collective build up of the attack. The collective team playing. United were in a poor period. United ship were out of direction and sinking. It does affect invidual performaces too. Special if the goal and direction of that ship are winning the league or get top 4.
And the collective team playing. This responsibility is down most to the manager/head coach. The team he set up. The combination and relations between the players.
Both Ole set up McFred in most of theirs games. Even they had other options. Both went for save and counter attack set up.
And for me personally. If you set up for counter attack. Not going out there to playing on the front foot. Try to dominate and control the ball and match from beginning. I read and rate it as underdog mentally team and club. You know your opponents teams are better than you. Then you set up to counter. So its clearly underdogs mentality and defensive mindset. Opposite of playing on the front foot like Pep, Klopp and Bayern.
So looking at the bigger picture. Only limit at the ground perspective. Not taking all the club structure like owner and CEO and Dof.
The managers Ole and Ralf have to take the big blames for it. Ole definitely said he will play UNited way and on the front foot in the beginning. But when things get tougher and harder. Ole became safer, took lesser risk and go for safe bet and choices like McFred most of the time Pobga as LW.
And with my United squad analizing. Ralf hasnt play the United best XI yet and he hasnt get the best out of his squad. Why? Reason are here.
Like i said. I believe more in relations and reasons that lead to big chances and goals. Not only at the end product which is goals. The mind, creative, build up and consistent top service United attacking players will get.
Then like Ole. Safe CM duo choices. Which many fans have experience, react and believe they are not good enough to win the league and hard to get top 4 with that CM duo.
Like against Watford. McFred duo when United could go for Pobga there instead. Against second bottom team at home. Why was United so defensive and safe go into the match with that line up?
And to get the best out of United squad. Personally for me. I believe this is United best XI. 442
Bissaka - Varane - Jones - Shaw + Sancho - Bruno/Pobga - McFred - Martial/Rashford + Rashford/Bruno - Ronaldo/Cavani.
I disagree like against Ole. Safe choice and decision line up. He has to trust Pobga as nr.8. Motivate him, give and boost his confidence. Not by using him as LW, as nr.10. Then Pobga like Rashford from Left to right winger. "Where are i best at?The manager use and throw me around. To find the best XI.
If not trusting Pobga. Then you have an alternative and another option. Bruno down as the creative and offensive nr.8. Then go with 2 CF upfront.
And a hint. United upcoming left winger in Garnacho from the United u23. I think he is more clinical than Sancho as left winger. Garnacho is a left winger with a more natural goalscoring ability. Get his first up call with Argentina. And for the benefit of the team. United need the best and most natural RW as RW. And its Sancho. Sancho one on one ability is a lot better than Rashford and i think Sancho crosser from the right is more precise than Dalot and Rashford.
Sancho for the benefit of team shall play as RW. Sancho as left winger doesnt have the pace and top speed to receive trough ball and to come alone with the goalkeeper. Rashford does has the top acceleration, eplosiveness and top speed to receive trough ball against opponents high back line like City and Liverpool.
So with addition with the more clinical left winger and attacking player Garnacho. Line up could be like this:
Sancho - Bruno/Pobga - McFred - Rashford/Garnacho + Bruno/Lingard/Rashford + Ronaldo/Cavani/Rashford
Those are United best XI line up. In my mind. Reason i disagree and believe both Ole and Ralf havent get the best out of United squad. Under achievement and havent start and give United best XI line up to gel over a long period of matches. To let them understand and gel them into a unit strong collective.
Nr.8 has to be the team most offensive and most creative player. On a consistent level. The mind and creative of them. Every strong and good attacking team start from it. Then you build on it. With others strong reasons, puzzles and positions. Get the best ingredients for each positions. And with all the best ingredients for each postions. Together and combine. It will lead to the end product, result and the bigger picture. A strong, good, dominate and consistent collective unit. A strong United.
I believe in interdepence. Strong and good relations between units of a team. Together it will build a strong collective. Not only blame on on player. The collective playing of United is so poor. Compare to the best teams.
We dont always get what we want. When thing comes as less expected. Meant to happen. Yeah follow it.
Martial was injury during warm up. LVG decided or he had only really good option up front. LVG put and play Rashford as CF.
Rashford scoring both goals inside the box. And when its meant to happen that way. Martial injury and you got the chance as CF. The ball will come and find the way to you. And you will be at the right place and right time for the ball. He had that "right time at right place ability" Like United legend Ole champion league goal against Bayern. If it meant to happen. The ball will come to you.
But back to Rashford 2022. For i have always disagree with Ole and Ragnick picking and playing Rashford as Left and right winger. And throwing him around. Not specialize him as his starting career match as CF, be most of the inside the box. We can be best on all roles and postions. My philosophy and prefer have always been. Best peoples and players for specific roles and positions. If you want RW or LW. Go and get the best and natural Wingers/wide players.
And after Lukaku was leaving. United and Ole prefer experience, but CF in Ighalo, Cavani, Ronaldo and Martial who is lacking that killer instinct and straight shoot strikers. All those years. With not success. United could specialize and developt Rashford to a 100 % CF like Vardy and Lewandoski. Both had play as CF in theirs whole careers. Theirs get the chance to practise and specialize as CF. Then naturally it will rise your killer instict and sharpness infront of goals. Because practising you get during match days are crucial. More natural set up then training sessons.
Nothing to hide or to defend. His isolation and individual performances hasnt been good and consistent. But i can show it back to history. If the collective is poor and collapsing. Then the poor collective team playing will affect invidual performances too.
And it has been went back to Ole last two years. Before Bruno came and LVG period where All of Rooney, Falcao, Di Maria, Martial and Rashford were struggling. Clearly the biggest reasons of United attacking struggling were due to collective build up of the attack. The collective team playing. United were in a poor period. United ship were out of direction and sinking. It does affect invidual performaces too. Special if the goal and direction of that ship are winning the league or get top 4.
And the collective team playing. This responsibility is down most to the manager/head coach. The team he set up. The combination and relations between the players.
Both Ole set up McFred in most of theirs games. Even they had other options. Both went for save and counter attack set up.
And for me personally. If you set up for counter attack. Not going out there to playing on the front foot. Try to dominate and control the ball and match from beginning. I read and rate it as underdog mentally team and club. You know your opponents teams are better than you. Then you set up to counter. So its clearly underdogs mentality and defensive mindset. Opposite of playing on the front foot like Pep, Klopp and Bayern.
So looking at the bigger picture. Only limit at the ground perspective. Not taking all the club structure like owner and CEO and Dof.
The managers Ole and Ralf have to take the big blames for it. Ole definitely said he will play UNited way and on the front foot in the beginning. But when things get tougher and harder. Ole became safer, took lesser risk and go for safe bet and choices like McFred most of the time Pobga as LW.
And with my United squad analizing. Ralf hasnt play the United best XI yet and he hasnt get the best out of his squad. Why? Reason are here.
Like i said. I believe more in relations and reasons that lead to big chances and goals. Not only at the end product which is goals. The mind, creative, build up and consistent top service United attacking players will get.
Then like Ole. Safe CM duo choices. Which many fans have experience, react and believe they are not good enough to win the league and hard to get top 4 with that CM duo.
Like against Watford. McFred duo when United could go for Pobga there instead. Against second bottom team at home. Why was United so defensive and safe go into the match with that line up?
And to get the best out of United squad. Personally for me. I believe this is United best XI. 442
Bissaka - Varane - Jones - Shaw + Sancho - Bruno/Pobga - McFred - Martial/Rashford + Rashford/Bruno - Ronaldo/Cavani.
I disagree like against Ole. Safe choice and decision line up. He has to trust Pobga as nr.8. Motivate him, give and boost his confidence. Not by using him as LW, as nr.10. Then Pobga like Rashford from Left to right winger. "Where are i best at?The manager use and throw me around. To find the best XI.
If not trusting Pobga. Then you have an alternative and another option. Bruno down as the creative and offensive nr.8. Then go with 2 CF upfront.
And a hint. United upcoming left winger in Garnacho from the United u23. I think he is more clinical than Sancho as left winger. Garnacho is a left winger with a more natural goalscoring ability. Get his first up call with Argentina. And for the benefit of the team. United need the best and most natural RW as RW. And its Sancho. Sancho one on one ability is a lot better than Rashford and i think Sancho crosser from the right is more precise than Dalot and Rashford.
Sancho for the benefit of team shall play as RW. Sancho as left winger doesnt have the pace and top speed to receive trough ball and to come alone with the goalkeeper. Rashford does has the top acceleration, eplosiveness and top speed to receive trough ball against opponents high back line like City and Liverpool.
So with addition with the more clinical left winger and attacking player Garnacho. Line up could be like this:
Sancho - Bruno/Pobga - McFred - Rashford/Garnacho + Bruno/Lingard/Rashford + Ronaldo/Cavani/Rashford
Those are United best XI line up. In my mind. Reason i disagree and believe both Ole and Ralf havent get the best out of United squad. Under achievement and havent start and give United best XI line up to gel over a long period of matches. To let them understand and gel them into a unit strong collective.
Nr.8 has to be the team most offensive and most creative player. On a consistent level. The mind and creative of them. Every strong and good attacking team start from it. Then you build on it. With others strong reasons, puzzles and positions. Get the best ingredients for each positions. And with all the best ingredients for each postions. Together and combine. It will lead to the end product, result and the bigger picture. A strong, good, dominate and consistent collective unit. A strong United.
I believe in interdepence. Strong and good relations between units of a team. Together it will build a strong collective. Not only blame on on player. The collective playing of United is so poor. Compare to the best teams.
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If Ralf is still here as consultant and he is not happy with Rashford, he may recommend ditching him, motivated player or not.