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[Nikelesh Reddy]

So does that mean any manager that has ever managed in the Premier League is more suited to the job than Ten Hag? Should we hire Mark Hughes then since he's obviously a better manager because he's more qualified? But the real question is can we afford the compensation to prize him away from Bradford in league 2.

This whole Premier League experience stuff is a complete myth, a good manager can adapt to any league and do well. Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Conte, they're the best managers in the Prem over the last 10 years and none of them had any experience here before arriving. But they adapted to the league as any good manager or player is able to do and Pep finished 4th in his first season, adapted and since has created one of the most dominant sides the Premier League has seen. Yes the league is a step up from the Dutch league but Ten Hag has proven himself a very good manager who should very easily be able to make the step up and adapt. And by your own definition we shouldn't of gotten Fergie then since the Scottish league is an even further step down than the Dutch league which means he was completely unqualified for the job right?

Please read my post.I never said that his lack of experience in the PL should be an impediment to him taking a top job in england.I said that this is a guy who has never managed in any of the top 4 leagues in europe(meaning england,germany,spain and italy).Klopp,Pep,Tuchel and Conte spent many many seasons managing at the highest level before they came to england,the FACT is that ETH has never managed at the highest level.

And for gods sake,please dont compare ETH to Jose or SAF.Yes,SAF never managed in a major league before he came to england,but his achievements at Aberdeen were absolutely stellar.He won a european trophy by beating Real Madrid in the final for gods sake!!Jose never managed in a elite league before he came to england,but he had acheived something truly stupendous at Porto by winning the Europa League and the CL.
ETH's acheivements at Ajax dont merit him getting the United job in my view.If he gets the job,then as a United supporter i will wholeheartedly support him.But i dont think hes good enough to mange man united.

 

[lex talionis]

Ferguson and Mourinho achieved great things in lower leagues. Ten Hag achieved great things in the Dutch league, which I submit is a tougher league than Scotland and Portugal.

There’s no guarantee, however, that any manager on the table would be a successful.

 

[Cassidy]

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I wouldnt expect many outgoings and incomings, only undeserved new contracts abound

We have quite a bit of turnover. But its good that a manager comes in who doesn’t beleieve that the way to fix every issue is the transfer market.

We have players under performing because we have no identity

 

[Adisa]

Instilling a playing identity is more important than transfers. We of all clubs should know this by now. We have soent £1bn in a decade and gotten nowhere

 

[Sweet Square]

Ferguson and Mourinho achieved great things in lower leagues. Ten Hag achieved great things in the Dutch league, which I submit is a tougher league than Scotland and Portugal.

There’s no guarantee, however, that any manager on the table would be a successful.

Ten Hag is impressive but Fergie record with Aberdeen and Jose record with Porto is on another level.

 

[dubplate warrior]

That should be a positive news.

If ETH is the coach we hope he is he can improve some of our players within a cohesive unit.

Instilling a playing identity is more important than transfers. We of all clubs should know this by now. We have soent £1bn in a decade and gotten nowhere

This. Establishing an identity and then buying tailored to it is the correct way forward for the club as a whole, including the board and scouts.

For too long we have bought with no identity or style. Now is our chance to change that.

 

[JustinC00]

I have to pushback on that style of play vs transfers

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I wouldnt expect many outgoings and incomings, only undeserved new contracts abound

Still need to invest in a competent midfield or else it will continue to be run over and the style of play won't matter.

 

[Adisa]

I have to pushback on that style of play vs transfers


Still need to invest in a competent midfield or else it will continue to be run over and the style of play won't matter.

Our midfield will be rebuilt. Pogba is leaving, Matic is over the hill. Thw decision has been forced on the club.

 

[CraftySoAndSo]

Please read my post.I never said that his lack of experience in the PL should be an impediment to him taking a top job in england.I said that this is a guy who has never managed in any of the top 4 leagues in europe(meaning england,germany,spain and italy).Klopp,Pep,Tuchel and Conte spent many many seasons managing at the highest level before they came to england,the FACT is that ETH has never managed at the highest level.

And for gods sake,please dont compare ETH to Jose or SAF.Yes,SAF never managed in a major league before he came to england,but his achievements at Aberdeen were absolutely stellar.He won a european trophy by beating Real Madrid in the final for gods sake!!Jose never managed in a elite league before he came to england,but he had acheived something truly stupendous at Porto by winning the Europa League and the CL.
ETH's acheivements at Ajax dont merit him getting the United job in my view.If he gets the job,then as a United supporter i will wholeheartedly support him.But i dont think hes good enough to mange man united.

I agree Ten Hag's achievements aren't on the level of Jose and Fergie's but that doesn't mean they still aren't impressive and should be immediately dismissed. It's fine if you don't think Ten Hag is the right candidate which i guess means your preferred candidate is either Enrique or Poch? If it's Enrique then that would also be a very good appointment but it doesn't seem like we want to wait til December to hire him.

If it's Poch yes he has Premier League experience and did a very good job at Spurs both domestically and in Europe but has been under par at PSG. You could argue it's a poisoned chalice as the club is a mess with no clear playing style, over inflated egos and huge contracts. But so are we in all those departments which is the only thing i have against Poch. Us and PSG are more similar than we'd maybe like to admit but i don't think he's done a good enough job there to show he could do a good enough job here in the same circumstances.

I think you were a little too over the top in your first post which is why others and myself reacted the way we did. But at the end of the day we all want United to be successful and whoever they decide to appoint will have my backing. But in my opinion Ten Hag's achievements should at least have him in the running for the job and since he's been interviewed the club seem to agree. Is the job too soon for him or is it too big of a jump maybe, but at some point he will get snapped up by a bigger club.

 

[lex talionis]

Ten Hag is impressive but Fergie record with Aberdeen and Jose record with Porto is on another level.

I understand that and I don't think you're arguing anything more than that, but if we're going to limit ourselves to managers who have beaten Real Madrid in a European cup or won a CL trophy, there's no one left other than Tuchel, Mourinho, Klopp and Guardiola -- and it's pretty safe to say none of those are options.

And, for what little it's worth now nearly 20 years later, the record clearly shows United were defrauded by the referee out of a CL semifinal victory over Porto that season. As noteworthy as Jose's CL trophy with Porto is, United were the superior side.

What Ten Hag has done at Ajax is very impressive.

 

[VP89]

I have to pushback on that style of play vs transfers


Still need to invest in a competent midfield or else it will continue to be run over and the style of play won't matter.

Transfers will happen regardless.

 

[Alex123]

I think Ten Hag would be a good appointment, but maybe Pochettino would be be better? Premier league experience and has managed big egos before (and got rid of some bad ones at Spurs in favour of young players).

 

[United in sin]

Clutching at straws

You have Chelsea who spent less and won 2 PL and a CL in the time Poch performed his "mirracles" at Spurs. Liverpool spent an astronimical 39 million more. But yeah, sure let's deflect from this fact by pointing at other teams.

You want to talk Poch's records against the big boys. Let's talk about this:

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But let's put this to bed once and for all. All your achievements you can muster. Every single thing Poch did don't matter. You know why?

Because if were to replicate them at United he would be deemed a failure. Pure and simple.

Ole finished 2nd yet people were calling for his head. Mourinho got us 2 trophies and finished on our highest points since SAF retired and people are still calling him as a underachiever.

You can take his best stints at Soton and Spurs and translate them to United and tell you what: finishing consistently 3rd, trophyless every year isn't good enough for a club of our stature, pure and simple.

I'm not even sure if the bolded part is English. "All achievements you can muster", full stop. Every single thing Poch don't matter, full stop. Anyway that's not the crux of the matter


I believe you are indeed clutching at straws. Chelsea are as adept at selling their players at a premium as Ajax are at churning out elite young players in their academy with or without Ten hag who is known for not even rotating his starting 11. Chelsea's transfer business is impressive and unmatched in the PL. The sheer number of high profile in and outs at Chelsea has been astronomically higher than that at Spurs during Pochettino's time there.

I can see why you're fixated on Chelsea. This club sold duds like Oscar for 66M (in US dollars) to China and paid for flop David Luiz twice and still overall profited off him from sales to PSG and Arsenal. PSG paid 54M for him as a flop! They even got a 2.75 M loan fee for Charly Musonda Jr from Celtic and he never established himself as a first teamer there. They bought André Schürrle for 24.20 M in 2013/14 and flipped him for 35.20M the season next! Can't tell me Spurs had the same capabilities to buy and sell high profile players on their tight budget. They sold Ramires for 30.80M in 2015/16 and replaced him with Kante the season next! Talk about efficiency. The same season they bought Kante, who turned out to be a huge success, is the same season they sold flop Oscar for the aforementioned 66M. They also sold flop Djilobidji for 10.45M that same season and Patrick Bamford for 7.59M!

They sold Tomas Kalas for 9.90 M to championship club Bristol city the same season they made 126M for a finished Hazard in 19/20. They also sold Ola Aina for 10.75M to Torino in the same window. In 19/20, the same season Pochettino was fired, that Hazard transfer boosted their net income as they took in 123.49M after only spending 42.50M and gaining 172.99M in player sells. Which other top clubs stack up to this? Real maybe without even looking but it's not close. Speaking of Hazard, Chelsea sold his brother Thoran for 8.8M in 2015/16 and he hardly made a mark there. Also, Chelsea had championship winning squads before and after Pochettinos time at Spurs. They simply added to them by selling and buying high successfully. Can you say Spurs ever had a team ready to challenge for big titles under Pochettino?

 

[Trex]

Aside the players who would be leaving on a free, Cavani, Pogba, Lingard. I can see the club trying to hold unto all other player allowing maybe one or two more to move.
Considering the chances of us getting into the UCL is slim, we clearly will be utilizing a smaller squad from the side that started last season. So I can see possibly 3 incomings and say 6 outgoing, that is 6 if Greenwood doesn't get back in.
Whoever the new manager is its vital he makes the new signings count.
I hope the midfield is prioritized because its an area lacking in quality.

 

[Foxbatt]

I understand that and I don't think you're arguing anything more than that, but if we're going to limit ourselves to managers who have beaten Real Madrid in a European cup or won a CL trophy, there's no one left other than Tuchel, Mourinho, Klopp and Guardiola -- and it's pretty safe to say none of those are options.

And, for what little it's worth now nearly 20 years later, the record clearly shows United were defrauded by the referee out of a CL semifinal victory over Porto that season. As noteworthy as Jose's CL trophy with Porto is, United were the superior side.

What Ten Hag has done at Ajax is very impressive.

Just remember that he also has won the CL with Inter too. Referees always make mistakes and superior sides do not always win the match just as in 1999. I am all for Ten Hag and I think he would be an exceptional manager and also if he comes to United we must give him time to build the team and not look for instant success.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Why would Joel Glazer be obsessed with Poch ?

Maybe they had/ have a good relationship after sounding him out when Ole was almost sacked for the 50th time and share a love of smoking Cuban cigars.

 

[D. Mungai]

Again Raza Rehman tweets

| Manchester United want to wrap up the manager position as soon as possible.
Ralf is pushing for the club to send an offer to Ajax for Ten Hag, whilst part of the board want to wait for Pochettino.

Seems our board wants Poch.

 

[Judas]

I love twitter nonsense to a point, but I've never heard of this Raza chap, didn't seem to be spoken about at all as a source of knowledge in the summer?

 

[VP89]

Again Raza Rehman tweets

| Manchester United want to wrap up the manager position as soon as possible.
Ralf is pushing for the club to send an offer to Ajax for Ten Hag, whilst part of the board want to wait for Pochettino.

Seems our board wants Poch.

And who is he? Google says an international cricketer.

 

[VP89]

I love twitter nonsense to a point, but I've never heard of this Raza chap, didn't seem to be spoken about at all as a source of knowledge in the summer?

He doesn't even have a blue tick on twitter.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Again Raza Rehman tweets

| Manchester United want to wrap up the manager position as soon as possible.
Ralf is pushing for the club to send an offer to Ajax for Ten Hag, whilst part of the board want to wait for Pochettino.

Seems our board wants Poch.

Based on an absolute nobody on Twatter?

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

Again Raza Rehman tweets

| Manchester United want to wrap up the manager position as soon as possible.
Ralf is pushing for the club to send an offer to Ajax for Ten Hag, whilst part of the board want to wait for Pochettino.

Seems our board wants Poch.

Who?

 

[The Caff Spraff]

Pochettino's cons: 1. He hasn't won anything and there remains the question of whether he can get his teams over the line when it counts

2. It remains to be seen how he'll bounce back from the overall negative experiences of being fired at Spurs and (looking likely) PSG back to back. Even if he does walk away from PSG with a title his time there will be seen as failure by his harshest detractors and they're plenty. He'll have to win over fans who won't be willing to give him time going by the posts on here

Hag's pros: Has his teams playing flowing and attractive attacking football, seems to show a willingness to adapt to the club's ethos and identity (whatever that means these days for United, so that might not be a good thing haha).

If you've viewed my posting history as pertains to this discussion you'll already know I've made my views very clear and I've gone in depth. There's not much else for me to say

I appreciate the response nonetheless.
I’ve always liked poch and genuinely view him as a good coach, and of course will get behind him if announced, but I just find it incredibly difficult to get excited at the idea of him being the United manager.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

It is good news but for the Glazers it's financially motivated not football motivated. For once their tight-fistedness is steering us in the right direction.

I don't know what you are expecting here. Their aim always been a financially motivated. As long as the football department can get the basic right, hopefully ETH could replica what Klopp did to Liverpool or even better.

 

[AltiUn]

Again Raza Rehman tweets

| Manchester United want to wrap up the manager position as soon as possible.
Ralf is pushing for the club to send an offer to Ajax for Ten Hag, whilst part of the board want to wait for Pochettino.

Seems our board wants Poch.

Why are you still quoting Raza, he's a fecking nobody

 

[Foxbatt]

If they decide to get Poch it is going to end up in acrimony. With ETH at least he is going to get some goodwill time.

 

[Real Name]

Anything new on this front?

 

[VP89]

Why are you still quoting Raza, he's a fecking nobody

Plot twist! He is Raza

 

[Chairman Steve]

I feel like we’ve gone from strong ETH links to ambiguity. Utd have possibly briefed the press to not make it look so clear cut for a number of potential reasons (e.g. PR spin for themselves, Ajax’s benefit, keep other candidates on their good side).

I haven’t seen any Poch stories with substance recently, and stories about Lopetegui and Enrique are non-existent. I’ve seen a lot of ETH stuff though.

Where’s the stories about Lopetegui being interviewed this week for example? Were his answers to the competency-based questions not quite as good? Was it done through Teams or Zoom? Did he complete the 30 minute psychometric test?

 

[King_Cantona07]

He doesn't even have a blue tick on twitter.

He looks a fraud who is rewording news and posting click baits to grow profile. Posts only united stuffs as he know that is the easiest way to grow account.

He is running campaigns for likes and retweets, which clearly indicates a newbie fake ITK.

 

[Jim Beam]

Remember the name. Raza Rehman.

 

[VP89]

Ten Hag with Raza number 2.

 

[United in sin]

I appreciate the response nonetheless.
I’ve always liked poch and genuinely view him as a good coach, and of course will get behind him if announced, but I just find it incredibly difficult to get excited at the idea of him being the United manager.

Fair enough. We all want the best outcome in our own ways

 

[United in sin]

What does that mean? He’s excelling in the Chanpions League with a squad weaker than ours. And based on the matches I have watched, his Ajax team would finish top 4 in the premier league.

What's your interpretation of excelling in the champions league? Ajax made the CL semifinals in 2018/19 and went out to Pochettino's Spurs. Since then they've crashed out twice in the group stage and have crashed out of the knockouts of the EL to non regular CL clubs like Getafe in 2020( round of 32) and Fonseca's Roma in 2021 (quarterfinals, and they lost at home in leg two after drawing in Rome). This season was actually the first time they made it out the group stage since that feat of 2019

 

[Solius]

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[L1nk]

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I feel like bringing in Enrique mid way through next season is just us writing off another season, him having to come in mid way and such just feels…. off. We need someone in now for the summer

 

[Solius]

I feel like bringing in Enrique mid way through next season is just us writing off another season, him having to come in mid way and such just feels…. off. We need someone in now for the summer

I don’t really understand why it would be so difficult to start in June whilst still being Spain boss until after the WC. It’s not like he couldn’t keep up to date with those players and take charge of friendly matches since they happen on separate weeks. Sure he’d barely get a break but it would only be for 5 months.

 

[altodevil]

Stop fecking about and sign ten hag

 

[VivaRonaldo85]

Anybody to bring back some structure, identity and leadership to the club. If your preferred mantra is spend big on shiny toys, no chance. From what I read, ETH may be the structure etc. type which will do me at this stage of proceedings.

 

[United in sin]

Ferguson and Mourinho achieved great things in lower leagues. Ten Hag achieved great things in the Dutch league, which I submit is a tougher league than Scotland and Portugal.

There’s no guarantee, however, that any manager on the table would be a successful.

The Portuguese Premiera Liga is actually ahead of the Eredivisie in the UEFA coefficient rankings. Like others have said, Fergie's achievements before landing the united position were much greater than Hag's to date and he was 7 years younger