How much was it rebuilt in the 70s? I'm aware that it was rebuilt post war but I've always assumed it's always been the same structure.
Old Trafford revamp/could be torn down and rebuilt according to Glazer plans
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How much was it rebuilt in the 70s? I'm aware that it was rebuilt post war but I've always assumed it's always been the same structure.
The stand itself didn't change much (as in the concrete base/steps) in the 70s but the cheap roof they'd put up post-war was replaced with the cantilever in a couple of sections. It looked a right mismatch when I first went in mid 70s. They built the exec lounges and stuff over the back and formed the tunnel at that time.
I don’t think that the short term issues are worth getting bogged down in. Were planning for a stadium that could still be functional in fifty years time so whatever happens over the next couple of years shouldn’t dictate our long term future.
Yes the history surrounding the stadium is important to some but not at all to others. Just like the price of the stadium is important to some but not to others. I don’t want us financially crippled so that we cannot compete in the market but I also don’t care whether it costs 600 million or 900 million, I just want the best final product and in my opinion that is a fully pimped out old trafford.
Car parking (or lack of) is one of the main obstacles to any expansion or development. The police would object to any plans for increased attendances and have said so in previous feasibility studies. Local people over a mile from the ground routinely complain about on street parking problems and this issue isn't going to go away any time soon, unfortunately.
This this is a massive issue for the Police.
Also for fans, the car parking that exists is limited in terms of access and egress issues, (e.g. the limitations, bridges over canal etc.) on the main W1, W2 and N3 car parks assist in controlling access, over a pre-match, say 2 hour period, but are a 'bottle-neck' nightmare for egress, when everyone wants to leave at the same time.
Any new stadium would probably require access direct from motorways/main roads via remote (hub-style) car parking facilities, with shuttle buses, escalated walkways, wheel chair routes, taking fans to the ground itself.
There are a lot of good shots of how it changed here: https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...s/gallery/old-trafford-down-the-years-8646193
Love these old photos. If we were to improve the ground and replace the roof, a design like the first few pics would be cool. Reminds me of the wing building at Silverstone. Would add a nod to the history of the ground but could look pretty modern and very unique.
I know there's complications in building a new stadium at the current location because of the rail tracks and canal, and more or less likely in having to play at a different location while the new stadium is being built. But could they knock down a stand each season and build it up while using the 3 other stands for the crowd?
For e.g
2022/23 - South Stand knocked down and built up. North, East and West stands operate as normal.
2023/24 - East Stand knocked down and built up. North, West and South(new) stands operate as normal.
2024/25 - North Stand knocked down and built up. West, South(new) and East(new) stands operate as normal.
2025/26 - West Stand knocked down and built up. South(new), East(new) and North(new) stands operate as normal.
2026/27 - All stands are now complete and a brand new stadium.
I think that could work.
For e.g
2022/23 - South Stand knocked down and built up. North, East and West stands operate as normal.
2023/24 - East Stand knocked down and built up. North, West and South(new) stands operate as normal.
2024/25 - North Stand knocked down and built up. West, South(new) and East(new) stands operate as normal.
2025/26 - West Stand knocked down and built up. South(new), East(new) and North(new) stands operate as normal.
2026/27 - All stands are now complete and a brand new stadium.
I think that could work.
The option of building a totally new stadium, would see it built next door (read back up the thread), so there will be no need to knock anything down until the new stadium is ready to be used.
The option to rebuild the current stadium is basically what you’re describing.
As has already been said, the downside to this is the significant reduction in match day revenue, over several seasons, plus the extended build time ( more time = more cost), due to safeguarding and other issues, so that matches can continue to be played, during the period when demolition and building work is carried out.
If you’re going to rebuild completely, it might be more cost effective and worthwhile in the long run, to just build on the adjacent land.
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In a 21st century building project in a major city at an event with its own tram stop it ridiculous to plan for fans to come by car. It makes far more sense to improve the tram station, bus, taxi, walking, cycling and possibly park and ride (with a car park outside of the M60) options.
A park and ride system would be good. Have a greenfield or abandoned brownfield site on the edge of the city for parking and a free or a £1 a ride into the ground. Went to Oxford (the city not the club) 4 years ago and they did this.
Meh. Man utd have the money and will always have money. Losing a few here and there won't affect them.
So you think there’s a huge vault stuffed with an endless amounts of money?
There isn’t.
Do you have any clue how large businesses work?
Match day revenue is a key component of Utd’s cash flow.
Without that cashflow, the business will run into difficulties.
Utd depend on all their income streams to survive. Match day, sponsorships, corporate deals, TV rights, merchandising, advertising and other commercial income. Reduce, or take away any of those and the club will edge towards running at a loss,.
If a loss making situation becomes unsustainable, we won’t be able to service our huge debts, defaulting and insolvency becomes a risk.
There’ll be no need for a new stadium then.
There are 3 options on the table,
refurbishment and rebuild the south stand,
rebuild all or most of the stadium,
or, build a brand new stadium on adjacent land,
The finance required to carry out any of those options, will require large investment and/or borrowing.
To cover that cost, requires a robust income stream extending over a long time period.
A reduced income stream during the build, won’t help matters and will only increase our debts and liabilities into the future.
That’s one of the positives in going for the new stadium option and adds to the viability of the whole scheme.
It’ll be a finely judged decision on choosing which way forward.
Esoteric notions of tradition, blah, blah, don’t really have much weight, in the big scheme of things.
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I'm not in favour of a new stadium but it does offer an opportunity for United to do something pretty special. I was just reading about how Cardiff will be hosting a WWE event later in the year and it's remarkable how often Cardiff is chosen for these events but in reality, there's no other option for a stadium in winter. That WWE event will be in September so it can't be in London because Wembley doesn't have a roof and it's too risky to assume the weather will be fine, so where else is there for 70,000+ fans in winter? It's only Cardiff.
Manchester is geographically central in the UK, it has excellent connections with roads, several train stations, a tram line and an airport etc.. When you hear about these big events, like boxing, concerts or whatever, and they can't be done in London because of the weather, Manchester would easily be the best option. Cardiff is currently the best option but Manchester is just better than Cardiff in every way.
A 90,000 seat football ground, that would be 100,000 for non-football events, with a fully retractable roof is an exciting thought. United would sell it out every week anyway, and they'd make phenomenal money from commercial events, like Joshua/Fury, the NFL or whatever. Having that in Manchester would be big for the city too.
Manchester is geographically central in the UK, it has excellent connections with roads, several train stations, a tram line and an airport etc.. When you hear about these big events, like boxing, concerts or whatever, and they can't be done in London because of the weather, Manchester would easily be the best option. Cardiff is currently the best option but Manchester is just better than Cardiff in every way.
A 90,000 seat football ground, that would be 100,000 for non-football events, with a fully retractable roof is an exciting thought. United would sell it out every week anyway, and they'd make phenomenal money from commercial events, like Joshua/Fury, the NFL or whatever. Having that in Manchester would be big for the city too.
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Plunging the club into further debt and also likely hampering our transfer kitty each summer.
Glazers are too poor to own a top tier club like ours. Time to sell to someone wealthier and feck off.
Glazers are too poor to own a top tier club like ours. Time to sell to someone wealthier and feck off.
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The club should do a Spurs and completely rebuild. 100,000 capacity
Our own cheese room..
They barely can afford to revamp the current stadium never mind build a new one. This is all talk to keep the likes of MUST and fans giving off for another few years.
Latest PR strategy - hiring consultants. Big ideas, master plans, 5 year plans, Rangnick gegenpress, anything to seem like the club is busy.
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I know people are going to say oh same old same old, but you know, football structures in place, things seem to be changing ever so slightly. I want the Glazers out as much as anyone, but if they aren't going is it time to maybe see if these changes go ahead and where it takes us, there just seems to be something in the air thats different now
"developing options for Old Trafford and studying their feasibility"
I'd imagine the study will be long and thorough, with scientists from all over the world participating.
I'd imagine the study will be long and thorough, with scientists from all over the world participating.
That is just a typical United press statement now a days. It means absolutely nothing.
Circa 6 months time "after an exhaustive amount of research we've decided it's best to keep Old Trafford as it currently stands"
Sadly nothing at all about a new purpose built stadium for the women's team that we can call our own, and that is easy to get to.
This is great news.
Same company that did Wembley, The Emirates and the new Spurs stadium.
It's the same stadium designer at least! Worked on the Fulham redevelopment and Wembley as well so at the very least we'll hopefully get a decent roof.The club should do a Spurs and completely rebuild. 100,000 capacity
It's worth a go. When the Glazers came along I wanted them out because they were just a bunch of rich wankers wanting to steal money, but now that every club and their dog have owners I just want them to actually have a plan that isn't just about bleeding us dry. If this is the start of major improvements to the club then I won't really mind if they skim the cream off the top.
They seem quite keen to leak positive news, just a few days ahead of renewed protests about their ownership.
Change the plans to drive in watching football
Already we're seeing "nothing in this, they're just saying it to keep us quiet". I've said it time and time again.. Since the Super League protests, we've seen a difference in the Glazers. I'll never forgive them for how they've ran the club, but if they're not going to sell (which they show no sign of doing) then maybe, just maybe, they're starting to listen and realise that they've been shit?
I think now we've hired a company, we will certainly see progress on this, which is great news. It won't be quick though.
Does anyone know when Spurs were at this point, for example, and how long it took to completion from that point?
I think now we've hired a company, we will certainly see progress on this, which is great news. It won't be quick though.
Does anyone know when Spurs were at this point, for example, and how long it took to completion from that point?
Instead of buying Twitter for over 30billion quid can’t Elon musk just buy us instead .. be pocket change for him.
Then change the stadium name to Doge Trafford: The Theatre of Memes.
Did we put together a list of 500 applicants and decided on our top choice using Data analysis programs? If not I'd be worried.
I mean..it could work
Spurs stadium was planned in 2008, so nearly ten years for it to actually see fruition.
There's a long long way to go yet.