Rangnick - "Apart from goalkeeping we need to improve all areas of our squad" | Muppets amass

[Smores]

It's actually ridiculous that people think De Gea is a problem. He is one of the only reasons we have remained in the top half. I don't back Henderson or many other keepers to pull off some of his saves - the guy is peppered with one on one's or short range headers yet it's his fault the rest of the team allowed it to happen

People have simply got used to his level of shot stopping and think it'll be easy to replicate with someone that also offers 'modern' keeper abilities.

Finding competent keepers is tough it amazes me united fans don't remember this. It stems from people overexcited by Henderson, once you get excited by a youth player it's all too easy to be overly harsh on their seniors.

 

[Withnail]

Why do muppets have anything to do with Chris Amass

Who's that then?

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Some defenders who actually have some positional awareness would be nice. Plus a system of course.

This is more like it, personally I think the keeper does not need changing.

 

[Drifter]

Muppets should be keeping a low profile

 

[Abraxas]

I suspect this is not the first time the players would have heard this. I imagine he’s told them exactly what he thinks of them. He’s hinted to the media in the past about having to change formations as we just don’t have the players to play the way he wants.

He’s been given a squad assembled across several managers with no forward thinking involved. Problems of the squad are clear for all to see, he’s got the correct ideas of who we evolve and improve from here, and it sounds and seems like he has the backing to implement.

It's not the first time, no, but we do know these players are pretty sensitive to public criticism. They probably shouldn't be, they should probably grow some balls and own the shirt, but they are. We don't seem to have many individuals that respond to it. They don't respond to much so it's hard to say.

So I'm just curious as to whether this is a great strategy. My feeling is it's not a strategy, he's just shooting from the hip, I just struggle to identify the benefit at this moment of coming out and saying the majority of them are off in the near future under new management, when in fact we still have important games to play whether we like this squad or not. Is that really the play to increase our chances of a good end to the season?

 

[Mainoldo]

Did people not realize that we can't buy a new first 11 in one swoop?

We can always do better with a new GK, but it's very low in priority.

Our midfield is atrocious, just look how exposed our defense was against freaking Norwich. Both Fullbacks were also awful.

Then up front, we need a striker who can hold up the ball and combine with other players. A RW would also be nice.

Out of Interest how many players did Conte sign for Inter in his first summer. Turning them from shite to title contenders.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Maguire is the opposite of decent under pressure.

Yay more scapegoating. Maguire has had a poor season but he’s composed on the ball more often than not. Not that this forum will accept that. He’s target number one.

 

[Amira]

People have simply got used to his level of shot stopping and think it'll be easy to replicate with someone that also offers 'modern' keeper abilities.

Finding competent keepers is tough it amazes me united fans don't remember this. It stems from people overexcited by Henderson, once you get excited by a youth player it's all too easy to be overly harsh on their seniors.

Very well said!

 

[RedDevil@84]

**Puts popcorn in the microwave**

 

[Bubz27]

This is why I'm a Ralf fan. I know the footballs not been great and results have been poor. But this was always the true upside of having him.

I love his honesty and openness. The ball is truly in the club's court. If they don't act upon this, in no way can they point the finger. It is on them. Luckily, I really do feel like change is coming.

 

[b82REZ]

Why do muppets have anything to do with Chris Amass

Muppets Chris Amass Carol.

 

[Mainoldo]

Purely looking at the outgoings, we'll need to bring a few MFs. Hopefully we get the right ones.

I agree that a functioning midfield would sort or minimise a lot of our problems.

When you say this where do you put Bruno amongst our dysfunctional midfield problems?

 

[Skills]

Does that not show how weak and clueless the club was (and hopefully is no longer)? Blaming the fans seems odd. The club aren't supposed to sign players based on fan's opinions.

The leadership is weak though - hasn't that been obvious for a while? The board seem to care far too much about what the media or the fans think about their decision making - which is why Gary Neville's faux outrage made them do a u-turn on the Mourinho sacking in October 2018.

But the fact still remains, for the most part the fanbase has been constantly egging them onto into making horrible decisions. In an ideal world, we need a Florentino Perez, Uli Hoeneß or Abramovic type of figure who run the club like dictators.

 

[Reapersoul20]

Yay more scapegoating. Maguire has had a poor season but he’s composed on the ball more often than not. Not that this forum will accept that. He’s target number one.

Jesus. I am not scapegoating. The side has many issues and Harry Maguire is one of them because he has given the ball away many, many times in areas where minimal pressure has been applied. This is not due to the keeper, whom you are scapegoating, it is because he is clearly incredibly poor under any kind of press or pressure.

 

[Mainoldo]

People have simply got used to his level of shot stopping and think it'll be easy to replicate with someone that also offers 'modern' keeper abilities.

Finding competent keepers is tough it amazes me united fans don't remember this. It stems from people overexcited by Henderson, once you get excited by a youth player it's all too easy to be overly harsh on their seniors.

It‘s mad. I mean Spain have really struggled having to replace De Gea.

 

[RedDevil@84]

People have simply got used to his level of shot stopping and think it'll be easy to replicate with someone that also offers 'modern' keeper abilities.

Finding competent keepers is tough it amazes me united fans don't remember this. It stems from people overexcited by Henderson, once you get excited by a youth player it's all too easy to be overly harsh on their seniors.

This

 

[UDontMessWith24]

I’m assuming it’s been mentioned before as I’m arriving late to this thread, but would the general consensus on Ederson and Allison be the same if their teams weren’t good enough to bail them out when they make comedic errors that lead to goals? With us it’s the other way round.

 

[JB7]

I'm fairly sure I was reading that De Gea is bottom of the league for everything except shot stopping.

Can anyone corroborate?

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats

He's actually come off the bottom in his two worst areas due to dealing with a cross and sweeping a couple of times on Saturday; second bottom for crosses (dealt with 8 out of 245 faced all season) with only Watford's back-up goalkeeper below him and third bottom for sweeping actions outside the area (7 all season for an average of 0.22 a game).

Distribution wise he is bottom half but certainly not bottom of the league, 14th in terms of long pass completion, 13th in terms of throwing the ball out, but he does have the lowest in-play involvement of any goalkeeper in the league with over 20 appearances in possession which would suggest the players aren't comfortable passing the ball back to him.

 

[Withnail]

The leadership is weak though - hasn't that been obvious for a while? The board seem to care far too much about what the media or the fans think about their decision making - which is why Gary Neville's faux outrage made them do a u-turn on the Mourinho sacking in October 2018.

But the fact still remains, for the most part the fanbase has been constantly egging them onto into making horrible decisions. In an ideal world, we need a Florentino Perez, Uli Hoeneß or Abramovic type of figure who run the club like dictators.

I don't think we need that. We just need competent people who trust their own ability and decision-making process who won't be swayed by public opinion. I don't think it should be too much to expect to be perfectly honest.

 

[Orange Tree]

Out of Interest how many players did Conte sign for Inter in his first summer. Turning them from shite to title contenders.

Not sure as I don't follow italian football. Looking at the list, it's a very long list. But, with italian clubs, they move players between clubs a lot. I don't know how many actually play in the first team.

 

[glazed]

Someone probably did. Getting someone with power to do something about it is another thing. Woodward probably thought he knew better.

It's quite clear Woodward was operating a commerce first/football second policy and the biggest area this impacted was transfers. Everything that's now going on needs to be seen through that lens.

 

[Withnail]

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats

He's actually come off the bottom in his two worst areas due to dealing with a cross and sweeping a couple of times on Saturday; second bottom for crosses (dealt with 8 out of 245 faced all season) with only Watford's back-up goalkeeper below him and third bottom for sweeping actions outside the area (7 all season for an average of 0.22 a game).

Distribution wise he is bottom half but certainly not bottom of the league, 14th in terms of long pass completion, 13th in terms of throwing the ball out, but he does have the lowest in-play involvement of any goalkeeper in the league with over 20 appearances in possession which would suggest the players aren't comfortable passing the ball back to him.

Thanks! I'm up to me neck in work and can't be faffing about comparing stats today.

So not as bad as I assumed but not good enough for a club with top 4 (let alone title) ambitions.

 

[Lentwood]

People have simply got used to his level of shot stopping and think it'll be easy to replicate with someone that also offers 'modern' keeper abilities.

Finding competent keepers is tough it amazes me united fans don't remember this. It stems from people overexcited by Henderson, once you get excited by a youth player it's all too easy to be overly harsh on their seniors.

But the point being made is, if our forwards pressed better, our midfield was more compact, our defence played higher and DDG played more like a modern "keeper sweeper", he wouldn't face so many shots in the first-place.

I think we all agree there are some major tactical/structural issues when a Manchester Utd GK is at the top of the "saves made" list, whether they are good saves or routine saves

 

[The_Midfielder]

I guess we actually have two GKs who are PL level in the squad, who both offer a different tactical skillset. I personally don’t think DDG would get into another top PL team because football has moved on and he can’t play in a modern manner but he’s not a ‘bad’ keeper and we also aren’t going to be able to shift him anyway.

Is the Chelsea goalkeeper good with his feet?

 

[diarm]

Out of Interest how many players did Conte sign for Inter in his first summer. Turning them from shite to title contenders.

10 according to Transfermarkt:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ant...ainer/3517/plus/0/galerie/0?station_id=228262

 

[Mainoldo]

Not sure as I don't follow italian football. Looking at the list, it's a very long list. But, with italian clubs, they move players between clubs a lot. I don't know how many actually play in the first team.

I’m just thinking it would be best to carry out one of these. Similar to LVG’s first summer but with less mistakes.

From the LVG list:

Falcao (CF)
Blind (CM at the time)
Rojo (CB)
Di Maria (AM)
Herrera (CM)

I think position wise this is what we need to replicate.

 

[Leftback99]

It's quite clear Woodward was operating a commerce first/football second policy and the biggest area this impacted was transfers. Everything that's now going on needs to be seen through that lens.

We can hope but i'm not expecting any different just because he's left and his mate has taken up the reigns.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Jesus. I am not scapegoating. The side has many issues and Harry Maguire is one of them because he has given the ball away many, many times in areas where minimal pressure has been applied. This is not due to the keeper, whom you are scapegoating, it is because he is clearly incredibly poor under any kind of press or pressure.

Except he has a whole career worth of work that proves that not to be the case. Last season Maguire had very few issues on the ball beyond maybe holding onto it for too long. He’s never been particularly prone to giving the ball away easily and he’s actually always been very good at driving forward with the ball. Never had any issues with England either. Again it’s scapegoating because there are more legitimate things to highlight in his game which are genuine issues. De Gea definitely doesn’t help either way for any of our defenders either.

 

[Skills]

I don't think we need that. We just need competent people who trust their own ability and decision-making process who won't be swayed by public opinion. I don't think it should be too much to expect to be perfectly honest.

Is that easy to do when you literally have idiots turning up outside your home to attack you?

https://talksport.com/football/662229/ed-woodward-house-attack-police-manchester-united-flares/

At the highest level our leadership isn't ruthless enough unfortunately. The likes of Perez throw managers under the bus to cover their own backs, but it actually works out okay for the club. Our board doesn't do that, and it makes them a direct target from the media and the fanbase which is why they're so easy to sway.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats

He's actually come off the bottom in his two worst areas due to dealing with a cross and sweeping a couple of times on Saturday; second bottom for crosses (dealt with 8 out of 245 faced all season) with only Watford's back-up goalkeeper below him and third bottom for sweeping actions outside the area (7 all season for an average of 0.22 a game).

Distribution wise he is bottom half but certainly not bottom of the league, 14th in terms of long pass completion, 13th in terms of throwing the ball out, but he does have the lowest in-play involvement of any goalkeeper in the league with over 20 appearances in possession which would suggest the players aren't comfortable passing the ball back to him.

Still people will pretend none of this is an issue…

 

[Mainoldo]

We can hope but i'm not expecting any different just because he's left and his mate has taken up the reigns.

Do you threat your partner the same way your mate threats their partner?

 

[crossy1686]

Some defenders who actually have some positional awareness would be nice. Plus a system of course.

Looking at the list of players who are staying, presuming there are no sales, we need about 5 Sung Ji-Park's and we're a 100% better off than we are today.

 

[gajender]

Is the Chelsea goalkeeper good with his feet?

He is not the greatest but issue with De Gea isn't just him being shit with his feet it's actually far more basic his reluctance to come off the line and inability to command his box creates nervousness amidst the backline and causes lot of issues , while he may look good making those stops on the line but quite of those situations wouldn't even arise if he can just do the basics right.

 

[Volksie316]

The overhaul what we all want, will simply not happen all in one summer transfer window.

Yes we have a few players leaving this summer, and we will no doubt bring in 2-3 players, but it certainly won’t be as many as people expect or want.

My guess is 3 players and the likes of Garnacho, Mejbri and others being promoted to more first team exposure.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Is the Chelsea goalkeeper good with his feet?

Mendy Vs De Gea
Shotstopping = De Gea (by a small margin)
Communication/organising = Mendy (by a massive margin)
Distribution = Mendy (by a small margin)
Aerially = Mendy (by a massive margin)
Presence = Mendy (by a massive margin)
Sweeping = Mendy (by a large margin)
Overall = Mendy (by a pretty wide margin)

Now do that for every keeper in the league and ours will fall short in most contests. Shot stopping alone (even best in the world) doesn’t negate the other facets of the game.

 

[crossy1686]

Wreck it Ralf! Love it. But also the GK needs replacing but makes sense to kick that can down the road for the time being.

I'm sure he means the GK also but he couldn't exactly say EVERYONE as it pretty much singles De Gea out seeing as he's the only GK that's played for us this season.

 

[tenpoless]

Who's that then?

A legendary soccer coach in US and A

Muppets Chris Amass Carol.

 

[TheReligion]

Mendy Vs De Gea
Shotstopping = De Gea (by a small margin)
Communication/organising = Mendy (by a massive margin)
Distribution = Mendy (by a small margin)
Aerially = Mendy (by a massive margin)
Presence = Mendy (by a massive margin)
Sweeping = Mendy (by a large margin)
Overall = Mendy (by a pretty wide margin)

Now do that for every keeper in the league and ours will fall short in most contests. Shot stopping alone (even best in the world) doesn’t negate the other facets of the game.

De Gea is a better shot stopper by a large margin

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

De Gea is the least of our problems right now. The house is burning down but let’s fix the leaky tap first.

 

[The_Midfielder]

De Gea is a better shot stopper by a large margin

Mandy is not better than DE Gea in distribution