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Gary Neville
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I don't think he's been much of a quality pundit since his early days.
Too opinionated, his take on Abramovich\Abu boys etc etc, he needed Russia to wage war on Ukraine to realize what the actual problem is and then we're back to his opinion being the only truth out there.
His take that Pochettino is the only answer, a narrative that sticks out every single time he talks about Ten Hag, his frustrations over Rashford being benched while neglecting to mention how he's actually performing. His lack of logic is outstanding, really, to the point where he argued that ETH might reconsider taking the job on the basis of how we were performing, but Pochettino who he reckons is a much better option would apparently jump at the chance, great.
His latest narrative on Uniteds failures, going on about the commercial side of the club etc, he's just like any daft fan picking the easy narrative without having much of a clue. We've always maximized opportunities on the commercial side, simply because we have to, we've done it for years including when we were successfull.
He's a hypocritical knob with too many agendas, imo.
People need to understand that this isn't 1's and 0's. Manchester Uniteds failures has little to do with the commercial side, our failure to modernize the club goes back to Fergusons period. He wanted, needed, and had full control of much of the operational side, transfers. When you're performing at the very highest level and obtaining results, it's not always easy to see the need for changes to the structure, changes that wouldn't have been tolerated by fans or Fergie. Can you imagine the reactions if the club restructured to take away parts of Fergies responsibilites, there would've been an uproar and angled towards the managers arms being tied behind his back. Fergies transfers, for an extended period, were dodgy as feck, including some utter bizarre deals via Mendes.
We hired Moyes, similar mold to Ferguson when it comes to need for controlling too much, to the point where he had a negative effect on transfers because he insisted on scouting them on his own. Brendan Rodgers had been at Liverpool for a year, and their transfer committee was an absolute disaster because Brendan Rodgers wanted to be in complete control as well, he loathed them. People were joking about how much of a disaster their setup was, restricting the manager, it was hardly being pointed out how it's the standard every club should follow. Transfers were still a disaster at Liverpool, we hired Van Gaal who didn't mind sharing control but he didn't last long enough, Mourinho wanted complete control and opposed every suggestion of change, and by now Klopp was at Liverpool and he was happy to seek out improving the relationship between manager and Edwards as a sporting director, often praising the work being done signing the right players. Liverpools method went from laughing stock to being the golden standard of how a club should operate.
We followed the same path that made us successfull in the first place, main problem was that we didn't see the need to modernize and change the structure, preparing for Fergusons departure. It's fairly fecking easy to sit here 10 years later and point out what we should've done, just like you should've purchased every stock that goes up, identifying it beforehand is where it gets complicated. We've invested a shit ton of money, just in terms of transfer spending we've spent around £825mill to allow the managers to bring in the players they wanted, we've always had one of the highest wage bills in the world during this period. The club has done it outmost to provide the funds, but we've followed a model that depends far too much on the managers being "one of a kind".
It's not as if the desire to be successfull isn't there, if you'd asked Gary Neville during the early days of Liverpools transfer committe if United should go down the same path it's not hard to guess what his reply would've been.
I'd say the marketing is fine and should leave it as it is.
If footballers are troops finance is the logistic department. Having a great marketing department is helpful for the troops as long as they dont get involved.
Great manager wins you title once in a while but part of our success is due to our commercial behemoth back in the 90s.
In the long run money brings glory. Just like united can simply shrug the past 10 years and buy their way a new team.
Leicester won the league but have no means to sustain their growth.
Neville is setting the bar low for EtH. Even lower than he did for LVG, Mourinho, Ole and Rangnick.
Watch him defend Ten Hag every week for the next few years. If it was Pochettino, he'd have wanted a title challenge next season.
He wanted Poch. If anything he’d have been more accommodating.
EtH is a Fletcher appointment.
Why are people moaning about Fletcher again?
Because he's a Ferguson stooge.
Neville addresses the Poch preference in the video, btw. I assume you haven't watched it because it's 15 minutes long and you replied only 5 minutes after I posted.
I was replying to your summary.
I mean that's a good thing surely. By setting the bar low we're giving ETH a bit of time and breathing space to build the club as he sees fit. He'd say the same if it were Pochettino btw, the point is the issue stems from the top at the boardroom and executive level.
With Pochettino, he mentions that he already has PL experience. But with EtH (because he's new to the league) he discusses how it's going to take him time to adapt.
Hence the more lenient timelines Neville gives him in the last two and a half minutes of the interview.
People informed, like Andy Mitten, speak incredibly highly of Fletcher and his football intelligence. Idiots on the Internet go hE'S sCotTish sO FerGie sPy or SomeThInG.
Completely basing it off your back-side. Difference in his opinion when it comes to critiquing the manager, players and the club is apparent to see between Ole and Ralf. The poster who said he is a hypocrite who has too many agendas is 100% right.
What is this difference?
Completely basing it off your back-side. Difference in his opinion when it comes to critiquing the manager, players and the club is apparent to see between Ole and Ralf. The poster who said he is a hypocrite who has too many agendas is 100% right.
And there's me just thinking he lacks experience as a football administrator. Every day's a school day, I guess.
It’s a small window but every time I have seen him as a pundit he comes across like he really understands the game.
We know feck all, but he strikes me as a force for good. He's seemingly Murtough's right hand man and you can't, on one hand laud the signing of Ten Hag, and on the other, dismiss Fletcher who interviewed him. Yes, it's been an odd interim, but those celebrating the departure of Carrick and Kieran McKenna are probably only realising their part in my first sentence.
Great post that pal.
I've heard Andy Mitten speak quite a lot and I've never felt he was that informed (unless you mean that he has sources at the club who give him information to distribute to United Fans) about football.
I would take his opinion (about players/ managers etc) with a pinch of salt :
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I'm beginning to think Gary is the new Carrick/Rooney. He's the new scapegoat and to blame for everything. I see no sign he would have preferred Poch - I actually think he's more on my line: we acted too late and could have got Pep if we'd timed it right or Klopp if we'd tried bit harder to persuade him (and a lot early than we did)
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I follow his twitter but that was bang on the time I had an operation so missed it. I'm a bit surprised really - not as if poch had the greatest qualifications, but it's hardly a reason for him to be dead to some people here
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Why do people think what he said is all that bad? It’s just an opinion. There are plenty of people who believe Poch would have demanded change and new players right away while ETH might be so happy being the mgr of united and might not have the moxie to demand such things so early in his tenure.
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Think some of you Neville knockers need to remember what he did for us on the pitch which is the most important thing. He’s a living legend for us and deserves more credit. Granted some of his policies off the pitch can be questioned but personally, could listen to him all day, one of the best pundits by a mile.
Since we’ve had diversity come in the game some of these new pundits/commentators are absolutely sh!te
Since we’ve had diversity come in the game some of these new pundits/commentators are absolutely sh!te
Nothing he or any pundit says is ever scrutinised really. It's a shame because it'd make for great TV if we revisited a few of the things Gary and the others trot out on a weekly basis.
Why not ask him his opinion of Lukaku now. Ask him about his comments after the first couple of games of the season when as usual he was very definitive in his opinion.
Why not ask him his opinion of Lukaku now. Ask him about his comments after the first couple of games of the season when as usual he was very definitive in his opinion.
No doubt, he’s entitled to his opinion.
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There's a subtext here, right?
Jesus Christ. Horrendous tonight.
He’s going in on them tonight, isn’t he?
He's right in what he's said about the clowns on the pitch tonight.
It’s genuinely weird. Fair enough it’s bad, but a 10 minute rant about everything is a disgrace. So unprofessional.
Laughing about Mondays game
Pretty disgusting from a 'so called' Top Red like him.Laughing about Mondays game
He's speaking 
I see no point in him holding back. It would be unprofessional of him to pretend otherwise.
You should save the words "disgrace" and "unprofessional" for the United players. Neville gives a shit about the club, which is more than can be said for the wasters on the pitch
He’s a co-commentator and he’s spent 35 minutes whining about everything. It’s horrendous to listen to. Wasn’t much of this under Ole either.
I think everyone knows that.
However, he’s supposed to be commentating on the game. At this point you’d be as well listen to the boys down the pub. He shouldn’t be on United games.