Still rather have gone for Ralf with Hagy coming in soon than have gone the desperate route of Conte, who would have been a mistake.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Based on what evidence do you think this? If it's hope, that's no evidence at all.
4-2 loss against Leicester.
0-5 loss against Liverpool (at home!). No manager should survive that. He did.
0-2 loss against City. They could have had more.
Most egregious of all 4-1 loss to Watford. Watford!
And you're saying he could instill belief and fight into the team? The season was unravelling right before our eyes! Just because we might have made a wrong decision on the replacement we got in doesn't mean we made the wrong decision getting Solskjaer out.
I'm not surprised this team isn't performing. He's got no connection with the squad. I've said it before, ask him any question about the team and he will not have a clue. I doubt whether he has any contact with them outside of the training sessions. His indifference is really doing my nut. When Ole got hammered by Liverpool and Watford, you could see the guy was hurting. Whenever we played against Leeds, Liverpool and City he knew what it meant to the club and fans. Ralf just shrugs his shoulders before spouting some cold, analytical speech.
This guy just can't be arsed and comes across as just putting token effort into the role so why should the players be any different. I can't wait till he fecks off upstairs and we get a manager who actually cares and puts the work in.
He's worse than Ole because at least Ole really cared and felt the pain that the fans do when we lost. After a beatdown, I want to see the manager fuming at the press conference and doing his best to keep his composure. I've never seen it with this guy.
This guy just can't be arsed and comes across as just putting token effort into the role so why should the players be any different. I can't wait till he fecks off upstairs and we get a manager who actually cares and puts the work in.
He's worse than Ole because at least Ole really cared and felt the pain that the fans do when we lost. After a beatdown, I want to see the manager fuming at the press conference and doing his best to keep his composure. I've never seen it with this guy.
This directly contradicts the statement that Rangnick put out when he was hired. He said his goal was to have a successful season and to get the most out of these players.
I would rather neither tbh.
I now feel apprehensive about Ten Hag. I just hope he is not all talk and no action like this Ralf guy
He wasn't brave enough to be a top manager. As an interim he was perfect.
They've been in that zone because of low quality managers we've had in recent years. Ralf was in semi-retirement as a consultant in Moscow and Ole wasn't vaguely employable at any PL club, let alone its biggest one, before coming here. Bringing in such low quality managers and their "deer in the headlights" culture, and you will get the results we have.
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Completely agree, he was hired as an interim manaer as we couldnt see the right manger available. He was taken on longer term for the consultancy role.
The biggest thing to take into account with him as a manager is he wasnt able to buy or sell players, so why on earth are people questioning his judgement of a player, he has made his feelings clear on the players.
I like what he has had to say, failed as a manager which wasnt a massive surprise anyway, spoken sense off of the pitch.
The one concern I do have and Ferdinand/Keown mentioend is post match. He doesnt seem to have the passion for the club and almost mentally seems to have checked out now.
I wouldnt be surprised if somethig behind the scenes has been said by Ten Hag to or abotu him and he doesnt take the consultancy role...if that is the case, it makes his while appointment diabolical as liek you mention, he isnt and nevre really has been a manager.
I hope his views are really listened to either way both in some players to look at, but more importantly regarding the current players at the squad as its obvious Rangnick quite rightly isnt thiking much about a hell of a lot of them
How will that improve results?
And why are people reducing this to a straight binary? Like, it's either keep Solskjaer for the rest of the season or hire RR as interim? It was the right decision to sack Solskjaer (one we took weeks too late). Just because the man we got in failed at coaching doesn't make it wrong.
I believe he is also contractually obliged to manage the poor bloke. Haven’t seen any of it sadly.
Let's not forget why he's here, why it was so bad we needed an interim. There's not some queue of top class interim managers just sat by the phone waiting for Real Madrid to call mid season. We have to assume that RR was hired with a view to structural long term change and that's why he was chosen, that's what all the press said at the time. Otherwise would be like asking an expert ship builder to take the wheel of the titanic after it's hit an iceberg.
RR does not well as a coach, but is there anyone really thinking we should have kept Ole?
Don’t bother. He could get us relegated and some deluded people would still be arguing it’s fine as he came for something else.
If he was just brought to be a Consultant (or more a clown) then they should have hired him immediately as Consultant and brought someone else to actually manage until the end of the season.
If that were true we could've hired him for an executive role at season's send. It was clearly an act of misguided desperation to bring him here as manager.
I generally agree with what you're saying. Ole wasn't good enough nor is Ralf as interim but looking at the bigger picture if the price to pay for the club bringing in the experience Ralf has at building clubs was to give him a 6 months shot then personally I do think it was a price worth paying.
Ralf now knows the weak links inside the dressing room and if he's interim period serves for anything it will be to pass that experience on to ETH so we can start this (another) rebuild off as quickly as possible which gives a distinct advantage to ETH that he probably wouldn't of had under another interim.
Maybe he could be a good executive but he's definitely a bad trainer and coach.
This guy has no passion / desire to be a manager. He ended up by accident in this role because the crowd demanded Ole head.
It kind of made sense because back then I truly believed in our squad and I was sure we will make top 4. It all went to pieces though and Ralf is not the kind of guy to inspire, what is not unexpected as it's quite often the case with "consultants". They have a different mindset.
That said he can still be a success in his original role here.
It kind of made sense because back then I truly believed in our squad and I was sure we will make top 4. It all went to pieces though and Ralf is not the kind of guy to inspire, what is not unexpected as it's quite often the case with "consultants". They have a different mindset.
That said he can still be a success in his original role here.
Some people on here have never played football. A manager doesn't play the games for the players, the players do!
This moronic take that a manager somehow is to blame for individual mistakes and lack of effort is baffling.
At least when you consider that he is an interim with no signings of his own.
United should have won today, but lost because of individual errors, bad finishing, and a horrible ref.
This moronic take that a manager somehow is to blame for individual mistakes and lack of effort is baffling.
At least when you consider that he is an interim with no signings of his own.
United should have won today, but lost because of individual errors, bad finishing, and a horrible ref.
The profile of an interim manager is typically someone with a connection to the club, either a former manager, former player, or someone who was already working at the club. If not, then either someone with considerable pedigree or at least considerable experience in the league. Rangnick doesn't fit a typical interim profile in any way, shape, or form.
I think the rationale there was that managers who would accept 6 month contract weren't really much better.
Then they should've kept Solskjaer. Better winning percentage and could've been easily let go at season's end.
He’s a fraud but at least the players aren’t frauds by giving 110% in every game .
I didn't say anything about keeping Solskjaer or being wrong in sacking him? I'm just saying if this guy was brought in to fill in until we get a permanent manager, at least put the effort in and show that you fecking care. If he's just doing the bare minimum to tick over, then yeah we probably should have just stuck with Ole till the end of the season.
Yeah I agree with this. RR looked knackered and personally defeated by this job after about four weeks.
Possibly (who knows?) he has done good work for the club behind the scenes which I think he believed was his main purpose. With hindsight, he shouldn’t have taken on the coaching as well. But then who else do you give it to? Some other old boy who’s out of work but doesn’t want the job long term? Does that person even exist? I don’t know.
Now it’s a shambles and the season is a write off.
They should have done a lot of different things obviously. In hindsight, Solskjaer probably wouldn't have done worse, but fan and media pressure after Watford was insane and Glazers relationship with the fanbase is already ridiculously tense.
All talk and no action? What exactly was Ralf supposed to do in 4 months without a chance at a transfer window? Maybe he could of given the kids more of a runout but until it's mathematically impossible to reach top 4 I'd say 99% of managers would play their most experienced players and hope that would be enough. I don't rate Ralf as interim but some of the accusations thrown at him just don't make sense.
No, I don’t think anyone is saying that. But the team is so bad under RR that it is not outlandish to consider Ole might have done better with these players. It’s being said to illustrate how bad RR is, not because we wanted Ole to stay.
Whose the court jester posting pics in a West Ham kit? Tosser
I believe Ole had to go. He had reached the point where nothing was working any longer. Like Poch at Spurs at the end and many other managers. But they should have kept Carrick or brought in someone who had actually managed in the last few years.
Right. Zero comparisons between them.
Last 7-8 pages made me bookmark this thread, holy shit some people
I believe he can, as many times as he has done before, even though this time is a lot more difficult. But, the board made the wrong decision under the extreme negative circumstances, a lot of which came from from media and pundits including our former players.
People wanting to include him to a list of failed managers like it's some sort of negative achievement. He wasn't really appointed as a real manager with any hopes of saving the season was he? If you blamed Ole for everything this season then I'd imagine you thought another manager could turn it around as easily. No. You'd assume the players have some professional integrity but without any real objective for the season they've all taken the easy way out. I'd say Ole got out at the right time as I'm sure people would still be blaming him for this horrible season. If you are looking for people to blame for it, it really stops at the Glazers door every time doesn't it. No need to constantly think the manager controls this. The most entertaining and united we've been was playing under Ole before this, his third full season. Because of Ole being such a weird case and his lack of managerial ambition other than the United-job he is still getting blamed, but he actually cultivated some mentality to the team as a manager.
We could easily have endured this kind of football, playing for nothing at all the whole time up until now, after Mourinho got the sack. Ole brought the standards up again, and by failing to live up to it got the sack. Now we're back to the issues we had under Mourinho. Ole actually built something but instead of continuing, that was then used to papering over the cracks with the "slow rebuild" mantra until we lost momentum and bought Ronaldo as another measure to paper over cracks. Then everybody blamed Ole for not getting more out of a world class team It's really hard to believe we're being run this bad and for a fan of the club to solely blame Ole or Ralf for any of it is really just a pat on the back to the Glazers.
You can excuse the owners to throw shade on the managers by saying how much money have been wasted. Yet, we're lining up with Jones on the bench who failed for SAF! Mata, Shaw, Lingard (failed under LVG) Matic, Pogba, Rashford, De Gea (arguably failed under Mou). List goes on. People forget Ole sometimes had a midfield of McTominay, Andreas Pereira and Lingard and got second place, yet people wasn't happy.
We could easily have endured this kind of football, playing for nothing at all the whole time up until now, after Mourinho got the sack. Ole brought the standards up again, and by failing to live up to it got the sack. Now we're back to the issues we had under Mourinho. Ole actually built something but instead of continuing, that was then used to papering over the cracks with the "slow rebuild" mantra until we lost momentum and bought Ronaldo as another measure to paper over cracks. Then everybody blamed Ole for not getting more out of a world class team
It's really hard to believe we're being run this bad and for a fan of the club to solely blame Ole or Ralf for any of it is really just a pat on the back to the Glazers.You can excuse the owners to throw shade on the managers by saying how much money have been wasted. Yet, we're lining up with Jones on the bench who failed for SAF! Mata, Shaw, Lingard (failed under LVG) Matic, Pogba, Rashford, De Gea (arguably failed under Mou). List goes on. People forget Ole sometimes had a midfield of McTominay, Andreas Pereira and Lingard and got second place, yet people wasn't happy.
None of these people are obviously remotely good enough to manage United. Carrick or Rooney could've just deputized as caretakers for the rest of the year until ETH got the job.
Throwing our players under the bus is the only good thing he actually done. I enjoy it when my manager slaughter underperformers in press conference, especially when we are as shit. Mourinho was right in this as well. Our players deserve to be be thrown under the bus and I wish our fans stop treating them as toddlers when it's clear players don't give a feck about the fans in return.
Unfortunately Ralf's coaching abilities aren't as good as his talking, but he's leaving anyway so no point beating a dead horse. He failed as an interim. Let's see what he will do as a consultant.
He's been crap as an interim manager.
It's pretty obvious some of the players didn't like him from the off though: taking the p*ss about his american assistant, the situation with Lingard, Martial, etc.
Lingard apparently telling Scholes the dressing room is a disaster. Hmmm
It's pretty obvious some of the players didn't like him from the off though: taking the p*ss about his american assistant, the situation with Lingard, Martial, etc.
Lingard apparently telling Scholes the dressing room is a disaster. Hmmm
Without some sort of a magical hindisght, Rangnick is a much better choice for a caretaker than either one of them imo.
It’s also about standards. Ole was awful, I genuinely don’t know what he did because McKenna and Carrick took training - he had to go. We’ll see this summer if Ragnick has influence if there are structural changes.
It’s pretty obvious that Scholes has been getting his Rangnick takes from Jesse since he came in. Scholes was quick to call him out as a bad manager
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